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In addition to a more secure widget installation processor, Mac OS X 10.4.2 is expected to deliver a completely new Widget Manager that will make it easier for Mac OS X Tiger users to manage the growing number of Dashboard widgets being made available through Apple's website.

According to sources and reports already present on Mac-centric websites, Apple included the new Dashboard feature in build 8C40 of Mac OS X 10.4.2, which it distributed to thousands of developers late Friday evening.

In this latest build, the "More Widgets" button located to the far right of the Dashboard dock has been renamed "Manage Widgets." Instead of scrolling the dock to reveal the next dozen or so widgets installed on the user's system, the function launches a completely new widget manager that itself resembles a widget.

The re-sizable manager appears long and narrow by default and is adorned in the same aluminum motif as the Dashboard dock, sources said. Inside the body of the Widget Manager is a scrollable list of widgets installed on the user's system. Users can toggle each widget on or off by selecting a checkbox located to the left of each widget.

Similarly, on the right side of each third-party widget listing is a circular red icon that allows users to easily delete the widget. When selecting this option, a semi-translucent overlay appears within the Widget Manager, asking the user to confirm that he or she wishes to move the widget to the trash.

From within the Widget Manager, users also have access to a single menu -- located at the top of the manager -- that will sort the widget listings by name or date. The menu also reportedly includes an option to sort widgets based on whether they are enabled or not.

In response to security concerns associated with potentially malicious widgets, earlier builds of Mac OS X 10.4.2 included a Widget Installer that let users "Test Drive" newly downloaded widgets in a self-contained installer window without having to first install them in the Dashboard. According to sources, the latest build of Mac OS X 10.4.2 now incorporates this functionality into the Dashboard interface.

Sources say newly downloaded widgets are launched into a semi-translucent Dashboard container, where they can be taken for a test spin. Users can then choose to "Delete" or "Keep" the widgets.

While the latest build of Mac OS X 10.4.2 continues to list no known bugs, over a half dozen new bug fixes were reportedly included in the distribution. These fixes are rumored to address issues with AirPorts, inherit file system permissions, iTunes artwork display, and widget graphics. The build also reportedly improves Screen Saver image resolution on certain G4 iMacs, eMacs, PowerBooks and iBooks.

Sources maintain that Apple could release Mac OS X 10.4.2 any day now, but claim the company will not do so until it believes it has squashed every bug known to be lingering in the system.

Upon its completion, the Mac OS X 10.4.2 Update is expected to make its way onto optical media and into retail copies of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger.
post #2 of 37
Any news on Quartz 2D Extreme? On or off by default?
post #3 of 37
Off from reports I have read.
post #4 of 37
Does anybody know if 10.4.2 fixes the Dashboard Widget bug where Apple's widgets are not readable because they conflict with Adobe's Helvetica Neue font?
post #5 of 37
Now this gets interesting. I mean, it is me or Apple for the first time in OS X history alters substantially (at feature-level) the system with a point release?
post #6 of 37
No, they've done that quite a few times. More so in the 10.1.x release timeframe. I think 10.1.5 contained some major Carbon changes with fonts. And then there was journaling added in 10.2.6 or something like that.
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You're right that adding "highly visible" functionality in a free release is rare (not unheard of though)--and it's great to see it happen!

10.4.2 is definitely the one I've been waiting for. I'll be on Tiger soon!
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Originally posted by alex_kac
No, they've done that quite a few times. More so in the 10.1.x release timeframe. I think 10.1.5 contained some major Carbon changes with fonts. And then there was journaling added in 10.2.6 or something like that.

Well, yes, but I am talking about very visible, to the average user, changes that will affect the way he interacts with the computer. Perhaps not unheard of, but I don't remember something similar.
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This is great news. I have hated the wait for this patch given how painfully buggy Tiger is, but if Apple truly has nailed most of the disgraceful bugs in Tiger, the wait will have been worth it.

I guess this just proves that Apple really needed the "first half of the year" to release Tiger. Given the lack of product releases, I guess Apple needed the revenue this quarter.

Oh, well, we got to play with a beta of Tiger. And Apple will hit their numbers. As long as .2 is everything we hope in terms of bug fixes, I will be happy.
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the company will not do so until it believes it has squashed every bug known to be lingering in the system.

That's the second time recently that I've read a ridiculous statement like this from AI. Can we stop it?

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That's the second time recently that I've read a ridiculous statement like this from AI. Can we stop it?

AppleMatt

I don't think AI is referring to every bug per se, but rather the bugs that couldn't be squashed in time for the original 10.4 release (as well as any new bugs that were found). I think you, AI and many others know that it's near impossible fix every bug in an OS.
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post #12 of 37
What about Verison or T-Mobile. (T-Mobile isnt as likely as Verison) Cingular is good, but I already have T-Mobile so it would be esy to just switch my number right over. Also, Is they Phone compatible with Address Book and iCal?

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PS2- Wheres the Moto Razr iTunes phone????

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PS2- Wheres the Moto Razr iTunes phone????

Now THAT would get me to open my checkbook.
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will this include a widget update manager?

(its really annoyning if i have to check manually when a widget is updated)
post #15 of 37
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Originally posted by mat79
will this include a widget update manager?

(its really annoyning if i have to check manually when a widget is updated)

The problem is they information then has to be included in the widget. This would require a re-write. Unless Apple worked out the name and checked that way - I think it'll be the same as applications. Some can update themselves some require manual checking. Subscribe to the Dashboard Developer RSS feed if you want updates. I do agree an update manager would be nice.
post #16 of 37
The widget installer functionality sounds like a very useful feature to be able to "test drive" a widget before installing it. Hopefully it remains in the final build.
post #17 of 37
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Originally posted by BWhaler
This is great news. I have hated the wait for this patch given how painfully buggy Tiger is, but if Apple truly has nailed most of the disgraceful bugs in Tiger, the wait will have been worth it.

I guess this just proves that Apple really needed the "first half of the year" to release Tiger. Given the lack of product releases, I guess Apple needed the revenue this quarter.

Oh, well, we got to play with a beta of Tiger. And Apple will hit their numbers. As long as .2 is everything we hope in terms of bug fixes, I will be happy.

I've not experienced a single bug in Tiger and i've been running it since it came out. I think its a great ".0" release.
The only problem i've had is with the translation widget, which doesnt work for me.
post #18 of 37
There are several Widget Managers out in the wild now.

As a Widget:

also found with longer version history here

or what started as an App, now available as a System Prefs Pane
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post #19 of 37
I just came up with a badass idea for a Dashboard update - Apple should utilize Exposé features to add an "Arrange Widgets" feature. It's a pain to rearrange my widgets whenever I want to add some new one that takes up more space than the others.
post #20 of 37
I downloaded the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy Widget last night. It's just
as I remembered when I was a kid. The only problem is that it won't allow
me to save the game. When I type "save" a window opens behind it on my
desktop to save to my documents folder. I give it a name & save but it doesn't
show up in my documents folder. Then when I click the game again, it said
that the save failed & it won't allow me to type anything else.

Has anyone else had this problem?
Any solutions?
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post #21 of 37
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Originally posted by PB
Now this gets interesting. I mean, it is me or Apple for the first time in OS X history alters substantially (at feature-level) the system with a point release?

Well, they had to do something, since they obviously shipped the OS before it was truly ready for release. But when you release based on $$ instead of "its solid", you're going to get visual updates afterwards as they add in the pieces that didn't make the original cut.

Or Steve was just an idiot thinking "Why would anyone want to remove a widget?" Of course, they also don't see why anyone would want to turn off dashboard completely, or, for that matter, spotlight. Or that maybe they should spend a couple of months just working on the interface of their included apps so they're all, I don't know, consistent (how many different types of windows and buttons can these idiots put together?). Or that people actually liked the System preferences interface previously (hey, how about putting back the freakin' toolbar so I don't have to keep searching for the few panels I use all the time over and over and over again - geesh, stupid breaking stuff that worked).

Of course, I would just like it if I could figure out how to specify a default list view, as everytime I try fixing the column widths, the view options change to 'this window only', and when I change it to "all windows", the widths keep changing back. And then the 'calculate folder sizes' never stays turned on, either. And changing privileges on a directory is just not working right (how hard is it to get it so I don't have to be logged into the system as an administrator to see some files). Oh, and I noticed yesterday that changing the size of columns is now all hit and miss because Apple doesn't change the mouse cursor to the 'left-right arrows' cursor until you click, so you don't know whether you're close enough to resize columns, or are going to be in 'move column' mode.

But fixing all these would mean Apple actually cared what their users thought, and making sure the software worked consistently and easily, which seems beyond them. Its all about glitz, who cares about actually functionality.
post #22 of 37
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Originally posted by coldfusion1970
I've not experienced a single bug in Tiger and i've been running it since it came out. I think its a great ".0" release.
The only problem i've had is with the translation widget, which doesnt work for me.

I love comments like this.

Your second sentence contradicts your first.
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Originally posted by coldfusion1970
I've not experienced a single bug in Tiger and i've been running it since it came out. I think its a great ".0" release.
The only problem i've had is with the translation widget, which doesnt work for me.
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I love comments like this.

Your second sentence contradicts your first.
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Come on don't be so anal
post #24 of 37
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Originally posted by Louzer
Well, they had to do something, since they obviously shipped the OS before it was truly ready for release. But when you release based on $$ instead of "its solid", you're going to get visual updates afterwards as they add in the pieces that didn't make the original cut.

Or Steve was just an idiot thinking "Why would anyone want to remove a widget?" Of course, they also don't see why anyone would want to turn off dashboard completely, or, for that matter, spotlight. Or that maybe they should spend a couple of months just working on the interface of their included apps so they're all, I don't know, consistent (how many different types of windows and buttons can these idiots put together?). Or that people actually liked the System preferences interface previously (hey, how about putting back the freakin' toolbar so I don't have to keep searching for the few panels I use all the time over and over and over again - geesh, stupid breaking stuff that worked).

Of course, I would just like it if I could figure out how to specify a default list view, as everytime I try fixing the column widths, the view options change to 'this window only', and when I change it to "all windows", the widths keep changing back. And then the 'calculate folder sizes' never stays turned on, either. And changing privileges on a directory is just not working right (how hard is it to get it so I don't have to be logged into the system as an administrator to see some files). Oh, and I noticed yesterday that changing the size of columns is now all hit and miss because Apple doesn't change the mouse cursor to the 'left-right arrows' cursor until you click, so you don't know whether you're close enough to resize columns, or are going to be in 'move column' mode.

But fixing all these would mean Apple actually cared what their users thought, and making sure the software worked consistently and easily, which seems beyond them. Its all about glitz, who cares about actually functionality.

You don't want to turn Spotlight off...it's more than you think it is. Spotlight is entrenched in the OS. Turn it off and you lose search capabilities in many apps (and soon 3rd-party apps.) If you don't want to use it, don't. But the system-wide API makes it worth being in the OS. Don't spoil the fun for others that find it useful.

Maybe people should be able to turn off Exposé too?

I would personally love to turn off the Finder, but I'm not crying like a louzer.
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You don't want to turn Spotlight off...it's more than you think it is. Spotlight is entrenched in the OS. Turn it off and you lose search capabilities in many apps (and soon 3rd-party apps.) If you don't want to use it, don't. But the system-wide API makes it worth being in the OS. Don't spoil the fun for others that find it useful.

Maybe people should be able to turn off Exposé too?

I would personally love to turn off the Finder, but I'm not crying like a louzer.

How in the hell would me turning off Spotlight spoil your fun? And, yes, people should be able to turn off Expose, since the only time I use it is when I accidentally hit the wrong key on Apple's crappy keyboards! And is it a good thing to have any feature 'entrenched' in the OS? I thought that's what made OS'es unstable (IE is entrenched in Windows, and everyone is up in arms, Apple entrenches something, its a good thing?).

The problem with Spotlight is that it has to index everything to find anything (people complain that you can't just find files in directories marked as 'private', not even allowing you to find it on file name), and indexing sucks up processor usage, esp if you do anything that creates lots of temp files. Plug in a firewire disk (like I did), and what it just spin and spin as OS X tries to index it. great. But can I get work done.

There should be a way to turn off dashboard as well.
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Originally posted by Louzer
How in the hell would me turning off Spotlight spoil your fun? And, yes, people should be able to turn off Expose, since the only time I use it is when I accidentally hit the wrong key on Apple's crappy keyboards! And is it a good thing to have any feature 'entrenched' in the OS? I thought that's what made OS'es unstable (IE is entrenched in Windows, and everyone is up in arms, Apple entrenches something, its a good thing?).

There should be a way to turn off dashboard as well.

You can turn off Expose by setting the keyboard combinations to '-' in the System Preferences.

Dashboard is off UNLESS you activate it. So dont activate it !?!
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Originally posted by Louzer
How in the hell would me turning off Spotlight spoil your fun?

Every time you include an "option to turn off" in a feature, it creates a myriad of situations that have to be tested for and debugged.

For every additional "option to turn off" something else, the number of situations to be tested goes up exponentially. Developers go apeshit testing for "let's see, what if the user has Expose off and Dashboard on and Spotlight off and turned off Quartz 2-D" ...etc, etc.

So in terms of getting stable OS builds, yes, calls for every feature to be able to be "turned off" are counterproductive, and DO affect other users as it slows down the testing and release of new builds.
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post #28 of 37
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Originally posted by Louzer
Well, they had to do something, since they obviously shipped the OS before it was truly ready for release. But when you release based on $$ instead of "its solid", you're going to get visual updates afterwards as they add in the pieces that didn't make the original cut.
Or Steve was just an idiot thinking "Why would anyone want to remove a widget?" Of course, they also don't see why anyone would want to turn off dashboard completely, or, for that matter, spotlight. Or that maybe they should spend a couple of months just working on the interface of their included apps so they're all, I don't know, consistent (how many different types of windows and buttons can these idiots put together?). Or that people actually liked the System preferences interface previously (hey, how about putting back the freakin' toolbar so I don't have to keep searching for the few panels I use all the time over and over and over again - geesh, stupid breaking stuff that worked).
Of course, I would just like it if I could figure out how to specify a default list view, as everytime I try fixing the column widths, the view options change to 'this window only', and when I change it to "all windows", the widths keep changing back. And then the 'calculate folder sizes' never stays turned on, either. And changing privileges on a directory is just not working right (how hard is it to get it so I don't have to be logged into the system as an administrator to see some files). Oh, and I noticed yesterday that changing the size of columns is now all hit and miss because Apple doesn't change the mouse cursor to the 'left-right arrows' cursor until you click, so you don't know whether you're close enough to resize columns, or are going to be in 'move column' mode.
But fixing all these would mean Apple actually cared what their users thought, and making sure the software worked consistently and easily, which seems beyond them. Its all about glitz, who cares about actually functionality.

It Sounds like you would rather be a XP user waiting for Longhorn.
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post #29 of 37
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Originally posted by Louzer
Oh, and I noticed yesterday that changing the size of columns is now all hit and miss because Apple doesn't change the mouse cursor to the 'left-right arrows' cursor until you click, so you don't know whether you're close enough to resize columns, or are going to be in 'move column' mode.

Yeah, that's particularly annoying.

Even iTunes-like Auto Size Column and Auto Size All Columns functionality in Finder would be an improvement. But I'm mostly in the "nothing can save the current OS X Finder" camp and have basically given up hope for it ever being "fixed", especially since it's really begging for a superior replacement.
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Originally posted by sjk
Yeah, that's particularly annoying.

Even iTunes-like Auto Size Column

You can do this now by double-clicking the column resize widget to the right of the column you want to resize.
post #31 of 37
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Originally posted by Endymion
You can do this now by double-clicking the column resize widget to the right of the column you want to resize.

Yes, in column view (sort of), but not in list view.
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You can do this now by double-clicking the column resize widget to the right of the column you want to resize.

OMFG! Can I have your baby? I can't believe i've gone this many years without stumbling across this.
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OMFG! Can I have your baby? I can't believe i've gone this many years without stumbling across this.

Always double-click and option-click everything you can find.
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You can do this now by double-clicking the column resize widget to the right of the column you want to resize.

WOW. Thank you for this. Huge time saver. (And I can't believe I am learning this now.)
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Originally posted by jballer
I just came up with a badass idea for a Dashboard update - Apple should utilize Exposé features to add an "Arrange Widgets" feature. It's a pain to rearrange my widgets whenever I want to add some new one that takes up more space than the others.

i was half expecting exposé to work on widgets so I was a little disappointed. It would be cool to have the F9 function though.
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Originally posted by mat79
will this include a widget update manager?

(its really annoyning if i have to check manually when a widget is updated)

Smart widgets will perform built-in version checking. Mine does.

But Apple could provide widget functionality for this. You just need to provide a URL that Dashboard could use to check for updates and it could handle the rest. Perhaps in a future release Apple will add this. The beauty is that it won't break existing widgets, they just won't be compatible with the feature. But adding a single URL to the config plist is about as easy as it gets.
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Originally posted by Xool
But Apple could provide widget functionality for this. You just need to provide a URL that Dashboard could use to check for updates and it could handle the rest. Perhaps in a future release Apple will add this. The beauty is that it won't break existing widgets, they just won't be compatible with the feature. But adding a single URL to the config plist is about as easy as it gets.

good point
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