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The latest version of Apple's iTunes jukebox software was in circulation only a matter of minutes before Apple enthusiasts began tearing the application's resources to bits, searching for clues on the highly anticipated iTunes music phone scheduled for release in a matter of days.

Of course, iTunes 4.9 did not disappoint. Instead, it continued to whet the appetite of consumers who seem to have been waiting for the Motorola-designed phone to debut for almost a year.

Immediately, enthusiasts located phrases such as "Eject mobile phone," "iPod Phone Prefs," "iPodPhoneiTunes Setup," and "PhoneUpdating contacts" from inside the application's resources.

"iTunes will automatically fill your mobile phone with a random selection of songs from your library. You may fill your mobile phone with a different selection of songs by pressing Autofill in the mobile phone playlist," reads a more telling messages from within the iTunes software.

A small icon image resource, possibly depicting the new phone, was also located.

According to a report in French newspaper Le Figaro, Apple and Motorola plan to announce the device, dubbed iPhone, as early as this week.

Meanwhile, Reuters cited sources in saying that Cingular Wireless, the No. 1 U.S. mobile service, is considering selling the device.
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Why do people think it'll be called the "iPhone" if iTunes 4.9 calls it the "iPod Phone?" Based on Apple's past nomenclature strategy for iPod, the latter sounds much more plausible.
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Very interesting in that iPod is a registered trademark for Apple. Apple is listing it as an iPod phone so I am assuming it is an Apple phone with Moto
innards, rather than a Moto phone with iTunes build in. Here's hoping
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Originally posted by snipe
Very interesting in that iPod is a registered trademark for Apple. Apple is listing it as an iPod phone so I am assuming it is an Apple phone with Moto
innards, rather than a Moto phone with iTunes build in. Here's hoping

Nope, I read all this as just "iPod/Phone preferences", not an "iPod phone".

And why is this a 'here's hoping' scenario? Are you hoping to spend $$$ on a phone just as long as it has an apple logo on it, as opposed to a Moto logo?
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There is a lot of "Cingular wireless" talk right now. Here's hoping a Sprint version is somewhere in the future...
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Originally posted by Louzer
Nope, I read all this as just "iPod/Phone preferences", not an "iPod phone".

And why is this a 'here's hoping' scenario? Are you hoping to spend $$$ on a phone just as long as it has an apple logo on it, as opposed to a Moto logo?

yes. I have more faith in Apple quality than Moto
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Originally posted by snipe
Very interesting in that iPod is a registered trademark for Apple. Apple is listing it as an iPod phone so I am assuming it is an Apple phone with Moto
innards, rather than a Moto phone with iTunes build in. Here's hoping

I was wondering about that as well. Why does it say "iPod Phone Prefs" if it is just a Motorola phone? There is no way Apple would let Motorola call one of their phones an iPod Phone. The iPod is an Apple product. It would be nice if Apple designed their own iPod Phone and had it manufactured by Motorola but all other evidence points to it being a rather ordinary Motorola phone.

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post #8 of 42
Maybe that's where all the delays have been between the two companies. Motorola wants it to be their phone with Apple features, but Apple wants it to be their phone built by Motorola?
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post #9 of 42
Would you be allowed to use the phone's music features during a flight?
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Originally posted by 1984
I was wondering about that as well. Why does it say "iPod Phone Prefs" if it is just a Motorola phone? There is no way Apple would let Motorola call one of their phones an iPod Phone. The iPod is an Apple product. It would be nice if Apple designed their own iPod Phone and had it manufactured by Motorola but all other evidence points to it being a rather ordinary Motorola phone.

I think you all are reading this wrong. It is not the name of the phone but rather description of a function.

I would think that "iPod Phone Prefs" is a generic term. Just means iPod's phone prefs. So, with a to be announced connector you can connect the iPod to the phone, for on the go situations where you might not have your computer with you. Very similar to the camera connector.

So you would use these prefs to control what you want to do when you connect your phone to the iPod. e.g. random fill, auto fill, selected playlist etc.

This is logical as today you control the ipod's prefs through iTunes. This will add another tab or button to the pane.
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What do you all think of this? Taken from page 15 from the link below.


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Originally posted by wilco
Would you be allowed to use the phone's music features during a flight?

They will most likely have a wireless off feature which allows you too use the organization features, game featuwes and music features inflight.
post #13 of 42
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Originally posted by Jamil
So, with a to be announced connector you can connect the iPod to the phone, for on the go situations where you might not have your computer with you. Very similar to the camera connector.

So you would use these prefs to control what you want to do when you connect your phone to the iPod. e.g. random fill, auto fill, selected playlist etc.

Not a chance. Apple hasn't opened up the ability to move things from an iPod to another device yet (except photos, playlists, and song ratings to a computer), and I don't see them starting anytime soon.

Okay, I'd give it a 1% chance, but I'm being generous.
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Here is a senario...

Im at home and i just downloaded a new album from iTMS i copy it over (not to my ipod, but...) to my ipod phone, because im just going out for a little bit and dont need the 40gigs on my ipod. Throw it in my pocket and I'm out the door. I hail a cab and on the radio is a new song by some artist that I'm really diggin. I go onto my phone and go to iTMS mobile find the song and download it to my phone. Now I'm back home and I plug in my phone and iTunes syncs with my phone and adds any new songs I purchased on the go to my computer that I can then add to my iPod for my upcoming vacation.

Anyone think this is how it will go? or will the phone only use itunes to manage its music. Not allowing me to download on the go. Also, will this phone have a camera on it? And will it sync the photos I take on it with iPhoto?
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Originally posted by afalkner
I go onto my phone and go to iTMS mobile find the song and download it to my phone. Now I'm back home and I plug in my phone and iTunes syncs with my phone and adds any new songs I purchased on the go to my computer that I can then add to my iPod for my upcoming vacation.

Anyone think this is how it will go?

I think it's plausible, and even a good idea, but I'm wondering about bandwidth issues. How long would it take to download an average AAC song to a cell phone from the network? Are cell networks fast enough and reliable enough yet?

I could see where the option to download directly to the phone might be there, but also an option to preview and earmark a song on iTMS, then download and pay for it later. When you sync the phone with iTunes, those songs are automatically put in your shopping cart and a dialogue box appears to confirm you are ready to begin the downloading process.

Then again, we *could* even see the advent of a subscription iTMS beginning next week IN CONJUNCTION with the iPod phone.
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What do you all think of this? Taken from page 15 from the link below.



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I'd like to know the source for this picture.

It's a bit too 'XBox' for me ... white with blue LEDs would be nicer.
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post #17 of 42
I agree, the colors are odd. Supposedly it's from a Moto presentation in Beijing.

Here's the link via TinyURL:

Motorola Presentation PDF
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Two points...

One - how is Cingular the #1 Wireless carrier in the US?

Two - Maybe the future is in the iPhone becoming more like an iPod and the iPod becoming more like a full featured media center that would contain movies, pictures, and music and play them to view on its display?? Or adding WiFi to link up to a variety of items - radio, HDTV, or computer...
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Cingular became the largest wireless company in the US when it bought AT&T. If you lived in a city that always had Cingular you prolly noticed no difference. However here in Minneapolis we never had Cingular until they bought AT&T. Now Cingular signs are everywhere here.

1.Cingular / AT&T
2. Verizon
3.Sprint / Nextell
4. T-Mobile
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Outside of a city (particularly in the NYC area) the only real service is Verizon. ATT as soon as you exit the 5 boros is horrible and the others are worse. Maybe they should rank them on customer satisfaction..lol..

I have had VZW for years, switched to ATT for 1 month (cause of the cool phones) and completely regretted it. Lost calls, missed calls, you name it I had it...

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Cell phone coverage totally depends on where you live. Here in Minneapolis my friends that have Verizon HATE it. They get horrible coverage. I had sprint and couldnt use it indoors. I got T-mobile and now I rarely have problems. I can be in the bathroom closet in the basement of my house and still have 4 bars. But my sister has T-Mobile and lives in Milwaukee. Her phone doesnt work AT ALL in her apartment. But as soon as she steps outside....4 bars. Talk about inconvienent. She doesnt have a home phone so she is frustrated to say the least.

Totally depends on where you live. I cant believe carriers havent dealt with boosting indoor coverage yet.
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post #22 of 42
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Originally posted by andrewr1701
Outside of a city (particularly in the NYC area) the only real service is Verizon. ATT as soon as you exit the 5 boros is horrible and the others are worse. Maybe they should rank them on customer satisfaction..lol..

I have had VZW for years, switched to ATT for 1 month (cause of the cool phones) and completely regretted it. Lost calls, missed calls, you name it I had it...

WHY DOESNT APPLE HOOK UP WITH VERIZON - HINT HERE....

i believe verizon wants to sell songs over its network for $1-3 a song... verizon likes to squeeze every bit of money out of its customers -- I must admit though, the service has been good.
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Blimey, it's 2005 and you guys over the other side of the pond still haven't sorted out your telco network.



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post #24 of 42
It really depends on how far you are from the base station, how much concrete you are surrounded by, etc. Generally coverage ranges up to 35km (roughly 22miles) but also depends on the number of customers in the region.

It suprising you mention T-mobile as having good coverage. Here in London, T- coverage is "okay" because there is not as many base stations as the other three networks and being the cheapest, have loads of customers. Outside of London, T-Mobile can't be relied upon.
post #25 of 42
I'll add my 2 cents.

I think it's extremely unlikely that an iTunes-enabled phone will be able to download songs directly over the cell phone network.

Why?

I work for a company that sells and supports mobile software devices for the beverage industry. A common task at the end of the day is for our customers' users to "TCOM" their orders and other data back to the main server.

We are talking relatively small file sizes to transmit over a cell phone network connection -- 50 KB max in most cases.

You would NOT BELIEVE how many support calls we field about our software "not working" for cell-phone TCOMs. It's a lot. And 99% of the time, the problem is that there is not a strong enough signal where the user currently is to complete the transmission of a very small file.

It is for this reason alone that I think it's very unlikely people will be able to purchase iTMS songs directly from this new Apple/Moto phone.

Cell phone networks are simply not stable enough.
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I also think the amount of bandwidth overhead necessary to "verify" all of the bits and bytes of a song would take forever on a cell infrastructure or else it would be bad quality. But it would give them a money stream of people trying to use it.

I think it would make more sense to see "iTunes" references on the phone stuff than "iPod" references. iTunes would be the software sitting on the phone, right? Why is an iPod even mentioned?
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post #27 of 42
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I also think the amount of bandwidth overhead necessary to "verify" all of the bits and bytes of a song would take forever on a cell infrastructure or else it would be bad quality. But it would give them a money stream of people trying to use it.

I think it would make more sense to see "iTunes" references on the phone stuff than "iPod" references. iTunes would be the software sitting on the phone, right? Why is an iPod even mentioned?



downloading songs from a cell carrier seems a non-starter at 3 bucks a pop and the cell carriers comparing them to ring tones is plain stupid. The carriers wnat some cash for including iTunes and that could be PODCASTS downloading over their networks. If SJ convinces Cingular or another carrier to forego revenue from music but grab airtime for podcasts it might be a win/win deal. When podcasts carry commercials (and they will) its possible that the carriers will have some input. Putting music on an iPod phone will through iTunes at 99 cents each
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downloading phones

So that's the secret plan!
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post #29 of 42
Is all this "one device to end them all" thing realy such a good idea? If your MP3 player dies, that is not realy a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but if you are using your phone as an mp3 player, and that goes dead, you are screwed, I don't know about you, but the 2 color LCDs, camera, and vibrator (as opposed to a gawd damn head-ache inducing downloadable (but over priced at $2.99) ring-tone) drain the battery fast enough for my taste, one re-charge every 2-3 days is enough for me, thanks.

One other question: can it be loaded via iTunes with MP3s ripped from CDs or will that still requier something like BitPim?
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At $3 per pop...they can keep their phone, mp3 player, camera, and ringers...I work sales...and I need my phone...but I am not crazy enough to spend $30 for 10 songs...I like the idea of downloading podcasts onto the phone though...

When will the network providers figure out that a happy customer is willing to pay a reasonable mark up for a good service...
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Originally posted by andrewr1701
At $3 per pop...they can keep their phone, mp3 player, camera, and ringers...I work sales...and I need my phone...but I am not crazy enough to spend $30 for 10 songs...I like the idea of downloading podcasts onto the phone though...

When will the network providers figure out that a happy customer is willing to pay a reasonable mark up for a good service...

The iTunes stuff will be $0.99 as the online store is according to the rumors. My $3 comment was in referance to my current provider
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post #32 of 42
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Originally posted by snipe
yes. I have more faith in Apple quality than Moto

So if you could pick between these 2 phones:

1st:

-$99

-Made by Motorola

-Designed by Motorola

-iTunes Software installed

-Motorola symbol on it

2nd:

-$199

-Made by Motorola

-Designed by Motorola

-iTunes Software on it

-Apple symbol on it

You would chose the second one over the first?

What people dont realize is that when the rumor fiirst came out, it was that Appple was making the cell phone and people called it the iPhone. But its not an iPhone! (I've said this before and I'll say it again) Its a Motorola phone with iTunes software on it which you sync with your computer (Mac or PC)

iTunes Software, motorola phone

itunes software, motorola phone

Now say it 50 times.


and forget about iPhone!
post #33 of 42
That's some Hobson's choice. The only phone that could pass as Apple inspired
is the RAZR which is cool but closer to $500.

Licensing software to another company and putting your name on their product are two different things. Apple is the #1 BRAND IN THE WORLD, ahead of Google, Coca Cola and Sony. And for good reason because when they stamp their logo on a product you know it will work as advertised. Their products scream quality from the box inward.

So that you understand:

Apple software, design and Logo
moto phone

and yes I would pay $199 for that
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post #34 of 42
Change your monitor to 256 colors and see this:



Looks like a MOTO phone to me, and not the crap green one...
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Originally posted by Atomic Media Fonts
Change your monitor to 256 colors and see this:



Looks like a MOTO phone to me, and not the crap green one...



Interesting way to hide an icon!
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Found them using ThemePark and looking in the iTunes rsrc file. Not sure what the purchase movie icon is for though
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Originally posted by afalkner
Here is a senario...

Im at home and i just downloaded a new album from iTMS i copy it over (not to my ipod, but...) to my ipod phone, because im just going out for a little bit and dont need the 40gigs on my ipod. Throw it in my pocket and I'm out the door. I hail a cab and on the radio is a new song by some artist that I'm really diggin. I go onto my phone and go to iTMS mobile find the song and download it to my phone. Now I'm back home and I plug in my phone and iTunes syncs with my phone and adds any new songs I purchased on the go to my computer that I can then add to my iPod for my upcoming vacation.

Anyone think this is how it will go? or will the phone only use itunes to manage its music. Not allowing me to download on the go. Also, will this phone have a camera on it? And will it sync the photos I take on it with iPhoto?

more realistic might be something like the old audiogalaxy setup. In that old setup, you left a small program running in the backgroud of your computer. Then from any computer you could log onto a website and queue music to be automatically downloaded to your home machine. Maybe you will be able to preview clips and search for music from your phone and then when you find something you like "queue" it up to be downloaded to your computer at home. Maybe it will be done automatically or maybe it will just be added to the shopping cart.
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post #39 of 42
I miss Audio Galaxy.

Here's an idea...the "News Event" is tomorrow...why dont we just wait and see. Im sure it will deal with the new phone. whatever its called or looks like. Also I think we'll see new ibooks at MacWorld in July.
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...the "News Event" is tomorrow...

NEXT Thursday, July 7.
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