Originally posted by Aquatic
I had a thought on this a while back, let me share. It's not necessarily good vs. bad. It's: Short term vs. long term. Conservatives focus on the short term, with tax cuts, and enriching their own lives.
Conservatives do not think only about the short term or even exclusively about tax cuts. There is a large difference betweeen contributing to the common pot for the common good and justifying the crime of stealing with good intentions. How easy is it to claim you are enriching the life of someone while taking the work, time and money of a different person. This is akin to claiming you showed good hospitality on the plantation becuase you made your slaves work hard for your guests. Even if the intentions are well placed, the actions used to achieve them are wrong.
They do not care about the environment because it won't affect them, especially in their lifetime.
This is not correct. There are plenty of conservatives who care about the environment. However they believe that the environment can be managed and cared for while also serving human needs. They do not treat humans as a plague that by their very nature destroy the planet with their presence. Also they know that economic progress has allowed us to be more productive, and there is hope that eventually this economic progress will lead to clean and everlasting forms of energy.
In the meantime the current forms of energy might be more dirty, but they have extended life expectancy, allowed us to feed billions, made life better for all and claiming all this should be thrown away when the path of progress can still clearly lead to the clean variety of energy is just shortsighted and irresponsible.
They do not care about their kids, or kids/old people in general, because they are not affected, and therefore vote against education and social security.
As someone who works in education, I can tell you that throwing money at the problem doesn't solve it. There are a multitude of issues that we have to discuss and address as a society before that money will effectively help children. Arguing that we need to have these discussions BEFORE we spend the money does not mean one hates kids.
The same is true for Social Security. It started as a program to insure the elderly did not end up indigent. It started at 65 when the average life expectancy was actually 65. To question why we might want to reform the most REGRESSIVE tax we have at the federal level isn't a sign you hate the eldery. We have people living in million dollar homes on golf courses receiving Social Security starting at the age of 63 when they will now live to be almost 80. Also the eldery poverty rate is HALF of what the rate is for children. The short term view is that it keeps these folks happy and buys their votes. The long term view is that it is not ethical to run up deficits for the elderly and leave them to the children that already have to experience double the poverty rate of those elder so that the elderly may retire in style.
It is really simple. Long term versus short term. The debate on global warming I think is the strongest issue to highlight this dichotomy. It is not necessarily bad, just a different way of thinking. I care about what happens to America and the world in 100 years.
Then you will support the economic progress that has brought about our current lifestyle and hope it will achieve as better future lifestyle. We have been watching this progress for decades now. You will not kill it today out of fear it will fail to achieve a future clean goal. The desire to kill it today is short term thinking. The long view says that these companies will continue to improve and refine their manufactoring processes and might one day be able to create clean energy on the cheap. We are already moving into hybrid vehicles. Governments do not bring about productivity improvements. Businesses wanting to improve profits find ways to redesign, refine, and achieve more with less. We should do our best and let this process continue instead of pushing for short term solutions that punish millions of people economically and in their day to day living.
I care about social reforms that may take 30 or 50 years. Conservatives do not. They focus on the here and now. Just a different way of thinking. So I think nearly every issue that pits conservatives against liberals can be looked at through this lense.
I disagree and can easily show how many liberal views are short sighted. Take affirmative action as the best example. Society is naturally moving toward a state or racial equality. This happens as more communication and competition is necessary in economic realms. The short term view says admit people into college because of their skin college, don't really care about if they graduate, just admit them. And fix racism by continuing to dwell on race and act in racist manners.
The long view is that you cannot just legislate that a number come up a certain way and that people who desire that path will find a way to achieve it. Black colleges still popped up all over the South and did great jobs even with Jim Crow laws. Sure perhaps today UCLA is too asian and not enough black. However just admitting that black student doesn't insure he will get what he needs to graduate and succeed. Studies have repeatedly shown that students admitted under affirmative action criteria drop out at hugely disproportionate rates. Perhaps he enrolls at a smaller UC campus, or perhaps at a CSU or community college. At these places he is admitted according to the merit of what he can accomplish and gets appropriate help. He isn't the small fish in the ocean with no additional resources helping him. As a result, he graduates.
The long view looks at graduation, not just who is admitted.
Let's look at the long view of abortion. Since it is understood that a child is now a choice, and not just something that naturally happens, when you make the choice for having the child, society feels it is fair in allowing you to suffer for that choice since you could have prevented it or made a different choice. The long view has noted that abortion is a quick fix and indeed whether you support it or not, it has not improved the lot of children in our society by any measure. If anything it has made it much easier for society to say it is simply a choice and you must live with the consequences.
I could go on, but unless you can see conservative views as something other than evil+selfish, there really isn't a point.