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post #1 of 104
7/12/05 at 1:50pm
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get it while it's hot.

I'll post the feature list when I finish the update.
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post #2 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:13pm
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Originally posted by g3pro
get it while it's hot.

I'll post the feature list when I finish the update.

Yeah, just saw it pop up when I went to install the iSync update. NEATO.
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post #3 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:24pm
Apple today released the second maintenance update to its relatively new Tiger operating system.

The 10.4.2 Update delivers overall improved reliability and compatibility for Mac OS X v10.4 and is recommended for all users.

According to the release notes, Mac OS X 10.4.2 delivers bug fixes to the following areas of the Tiger system: file sharing using AFP and SMB/CIFS network file services; single sign-on authentication and reliable access to Active Directory servers; autologin for managed user accounts; AirPort and wireless access; and synchronizing your iDisk with .Mac.

Mac OS X 10.4.2 also packs improvements to Address Book, Automator, iCal, iChat, Mail, Safari, Stickies, the Finder, installation reliability, Core Graphics, Core Audio, Core Image, and ATI and NVIDIA graphics drivers.

With the release, Apple has delivered significant improvements to Tiger's Dashboard widget management environment, including a new Widget Manager.

More detailed information on this on the Mac OS X 10.4.2 update is available from Apple's website.
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post #4 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:27pm
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Originally posted by g3pro
get it while it's hot.

I'll post the feature list when I finish the update.

Build number?
8C46?
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post #5 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:33pm
Here's a screen of the widget manager:

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post #6 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:40pm
I'm looking forward to installing this when I get home. Hopefully it will fix my AirPort Extreme autoconnect issues.
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post #7 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:45pm
I just installed it now, about to reboot. A report will follow.
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post #8 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:47pm
By the way, when repairing permissions after the update it listed the following:

We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./Library/Widgets. New permissions are 16877
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./usr/lib/php/build/acinclude.m4. New permissions are 33060

Perhaps that is new? Not sure.
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post #9 of 104
7/12/05 at 2:56pm
Anybody got the build number? Is 8C46 the GM?
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post #10 of 104
7/12/05 at 3:02pm
Well I can't seem to download the 10.4.2 update, the network keeps timing out. I did however download the update for iSync. I rebooted my computer and now almost all my settings are gone. My iTunes library has been reset, all my custom playlists are gone. This bites man! My custom icons in my dock all disappeared too. Gee Whiz!
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post #11 of 104
7/12/05 at 3:03pm
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Originally posted by lundy
Anybody got the build number? Is 8C46 the GM?

System VersiontMac OS X 10.4.2 (8C46)
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post #12 of 104
7/12/05 at 3:11pm
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System VersiontMac OS X 10.4.2 (8C46)

Great. Thanks.
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post #13 of 104
7/12/05 at 3:28pm
is it snappier UI-wise?
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post #14 of 104
7/12/05 at 3:42pm
I don;'t know if I'm seeing things, but the water effect in widgets seems a little slicker.
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post #15 of 104
7/12/05 at 3:56pm
One question

Quartz 2D Extreme?

(On dial-up still, I'll get it at work tomorrow and put it on my shuffle. )
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post #16 of 104
7/12/05 at 4:38pm
Sorry for not updating ya earlier, I had a dinner appointment.

The update went well, I have not noticed any difference apart from the widget manager, which works well. I never noticed any bugs in Tiger before, so maybe that's why.

As far as the Finder, I use Path Finder (a replacement finder) instead, so I don't know if anything there has changed. Path Finder still works fine.
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post #17 of 104
7/12/05 at 4:51pm
No Quartz 2D Extreme... I also enabled it in Powerbook using the OSXHints post and still saw display issues on the login screen...

Maybe some day....
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post #18 of 104
7/12/05 at 5:09pm
Now that the second update is out, I think now's the time to upgrade my Dual 2.5 to Tiger. I hope it goes smoothly
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post #19 of 104
7/12/05 at 5:13pm
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Originally posted by amac4me
Now that the second update is out, I think now's the time to upgrade my Dual 2.5 to Tiger. I hope it goes smoothly

I upgraded almost a dozen Mac's so far, and all have gone smoothly. The only issue we came across was that Adobe CS had to be reinstalled, since Photoshop would no longer open files properly after the upgrade.
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post #20 of 104
7/12/05 at 5:32pm
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Originally posted by kidventus
No Quartz 2D Extreme... I also enabled it in Powerbook using the OSXHints post and still saw display issues on the login screen...

Maybe some day....

how do you enable in manually?
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post #21 of 104
7/12/05 at 5:42pm
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Originally posted by Robin Hood
As far as the Finder, I use Path Finder (a replacement finder) instead, so I don't know if anything there has changed. Path Finder still works fine.

It may be me but the Finder is definitely quicker to respond on my iMac G5. Less hesitation all the way around.
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post #22 of 104
7/12/05 at 5:46pm
Haven't had any problems here. Spyder could maybe resize that image or make it a link, not all of us have screens that wide.
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post #23 of 104
7/12/05 at 6:36pm
Just got the update and WOWSA! this is FAST the UI is great really speedy and Safari works on sites where I used to need Firefox (like e-learning/Blackboard) and browsing in Safari is every bit as fast at rendering now as the very fastest windows browsers.

Great work Apple, This is what I expected when I bought Tiger.
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post #24 of 104
7/12/05 at 6:39pm
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Originally posted by c2poon
Well I can't seem to download the 10.4.2 update, the network keeps timing out. I did however download the update for iSync. I rebooted my computer and now almost all my settings are gone. My iTunes library has been reset, all my custom playlists are gone. This bites man! My custom icons in my dock all disappeared too. Gee Whiz!

I installed the iSync update and it sorted a problem for me! id been tryin to setup my motorola RAZR v3 and it caused it to crash every time, so ive been going around with only 2 numbers in my phone for 2 months (God, im lazy!)
Now ive got the update everything is dandy and i know whos callin me!

God, ive said it before and ill say it again... i phuckin love apple!
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post #25 of 104
7/12/05 at 7:49pm
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Originally posted by spyder
Here's a screen of the widget manager:


The Widget Manager is LAME. Apple, just make it a System Pref Pane and quit breaking your own User Interface guidelines!
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post #26 of 104
7/12/05 at 7:56pm
Definitely feels faster here on my iBook G4 1GHz.

Hopefully my Mail.app IMAP problems are fixed. Last time (prior to the update), I totally lost an outgoing email (not in Drafts, not in Sent, and not sent).
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post #27 of 104
7/12/05 at 8:13pm
The widget manager looks like badly done, graphicaly. Could someone post another picture of that ugly thing ?

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post #28 of 104
7/12/05 at 8:39pm
Installing now...

And man does that screenshot need to be resized!
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post #29 of 104
7/12/05 at 8:52pm
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Originally posted by Xool
I'm looking forward to installing this when I get home. Hopefully it will fix my AirPort Extreme autoconnect issues.

Works! 'Bout time my AirPort Extreme Macs would auto-connect to my base station again. (Using WPA personal, for those who care about such things. My legacy airport Macs still connect fine though.) Anyhow, this stopped working as soon as I upgraded to Tiger. It was annoying and every time a machine woke up or was booted I'd have to manually connect. It was annoying, but I still preferred Tiger w/ the minor annoyance over Panther.

But now its fixed and I'm happy as a clam.
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post #30 of 104
7/12/05 at 9:12pm
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Originally posted by macserverX
One question

Quartz 2D Extreme?

(On dial-up still, I'll get it at work tomorrow and put it on my shuffle. )

this was the first thing i checked. i fired up the quartz debug, and to my surprise, under the tools option it displays "Disable Quartz 2D Extreme". every other time i've fired it up it has been "Enable" not disable, so i'm assuming on my powerbook 1.5 ghz it is turned on. perhaps the OS detects certain hardware and enables it on certain macs. its definitely on for me though. disabling auto beam synchronization makes this thing smooth as silk when combined with Q2DX
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post #31 of 104
7/12/05 at 9:21pm
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Originally posted by Trans9B
this was the first thing i checked. i fired up the quartz debug, and to my surprise, under the tools option it displays "Disable Quartz 2D Extreme". every other time i've fired it up it has been "Enable" not disable, so i'm assuming on my powerbook 1.5 ghz it is turned on. perhaps the OS detects certain hardware and enables it on certain macs. its definitely on for me though. disabling auto beam synchronization makes this thing smooth as silk when combined with Q2DX

QE2D is not enabled with my G5's 9800 GPU. I'll install the developer tools on the new 15" PowerBook and I'll give you a second report.
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post #32 of 104
7/12/05 at 9:33pm
It fixed my iChat "insufficient bandwidth" problem. I successfully videoconferenced over the internet for the first time since installing 10.4.0 on the day it was released. Was nice to get that functionality back.

It definitely feels snappier. World of Warcraft renders noticeably smoother. Safari rendering feels subjectively faster.

Mail.app seems to be more accurate about whether something's been read.

Caused no noticeable new problems in the first hour or so of use.
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post #33 of 104
7/12/05 at 9:49pm
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Originally posted by the cool gut
how do you enable in manually?

Go here:

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...05050121260474
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post #34 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:10pm
in the widget manager (which is an absolute joke "widget widget") none of my installed widgets show the minus icon. there's still no way for me to "easily" remove widgets. i only have my phonebook and weather widgets running. also, whether i sort by date, or sort by time, the order of the widgets stays the same. i'm not impressed.
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post #35 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:18pm
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Originally posted by Trans9B
in the widget manager (which is an absolute joke "widget widget") none of my installed widgets show the minus icon. there's still no way for me to "easily" remove widgets. i only have my phonebook and weather widgets running. also, whether i sort by date, or sort by time, the order of the widgets stays the same. i'm not impressed.

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post #36 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:24pm
I've tried searching for invisible files/folders and Spotlight still seems unable to find them. This worked fine in Panther, but hasn't worked for me yet in Tiger.

This is an important capability because some commercial software installs files in the system libraries as invisible files, making it impossible to clean out the junk if you want to uninstall them (their uninstaller didn't get everything). Symantec/Norton did this. Fortunately, I was aware Symantec/Norton Utilities was incompatible with Tiger and deleted all its pieces before upgrading to Tiger. I was able in Panther to search for invisible files that contained the string Norton, and them Symantec, and trash them. No such luck in Tiger yet however.
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post #37 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:25pm
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Originally posted by Trans9B
this was the first thing i checked. i fired up the quartz debug, and to my surprise, under the tools option it displays "Disable Quartz 2D Extreme". every other time i've fired it up it has been "Enable" not disable, so i'm assuming on my powerbook 1.5 ghz it is turned on. perhaps the OS detects certain hardware and enables it on certain macs. its definitely on for me though. disabling auto beam synchronization makes this thing smooth as silk when combined with Q2DX

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Originally posted by Xool
QE2D is not enabled with my G5's 9800 GPU. I'll install the developer tools on the new 15" PowerBook and I'll give you a second report.

PowerBook doesn't have QE2D enabled either... not a surprise.

Perhaps you have some app or config change in place?
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post #38 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:28pm
The update installed flawlessly.

I, too, think Apple's Widget Management needs to be rethought. But the Widget Manager is a step in the right direction. Apple's widgets could also be a bit smarter - they should remember what your last settings were. For example, every time I pull out the Weather widget, it defaults to Vancouver and I have to change it. I think it should remember the last city I had specified. A good example is VelaClock: if I close the widget then reopen it, it still retains my settings.

Still problems with QuickTime though. Only a few hours after the update and once again I get a complete system freeze while viewing a QT movie in Safari. I've also noticed new glitches with QT movies played in Safari, such as the movie being duplicated in a window or screen redraw issues when you scroll down a page while a movie is playing in it.

ALSO: I'm still a little ticked that the G5 I just bought listed Q2D Extreme as Unsupported.

G5 1.8Ghz, 1.25GB RAM, Mac OS 10.4.2
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post #39 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:28pm
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Originally posted by Trans9B
in the widget manager (which is an absolute joke "widget widget") none of my installed widgets show the minus icon. there's still no way for me to "easily" remove widgets. i only have my phonebook and weather widgets running. also, whether i sort by date, or sort by time, the order of the widgets stays the same. i'm not impressed.

When you installed your third-party widgets, which folder did you put them in? I haven't tried this to check, but maybe Apple's widget only puts the minus button next to widgets in ~/Library/Widgets and exempts the ones in /System/Library/Widgets.
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post #40 of 104
7/12/05 at 10:41pm
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Originally posted by hyperb0le
When you installed your third-party widgets, which folder did you put them in? I haven't tried this to check, but maybe Apple's widget only puts the minus button next to widgets in ~/Library/Widgets and exempts the ones in /System/Library/Widgets.

Checked this out... if the widget is installed in Library/Widgets then you don't get the minus sign in Widget Manager. I pulled mine out and let Widget Manager install them and now I have minus signs.
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