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post #81 of 159
PBG, excellent point.

suni, That was good. The closest portrayal of cyborg "pain" up to now was in another top-flight sci-fi series, Space; Above And Beyond's "Angriest Angel" episode. Commander McQueen puts the blade to Elroy El's innards to "extract" Chig info. That was an excellent episode from an excellent show.

Couple of items:

Racetrack has become one of the bad-asses. Cool.

The Master Chief's "obsession" and sense of loss. YES.

Speaking of which, Helo got a (deservedly) cold reception. However, the Chief was COVERING up (dead) Sharon's odd behavior.

Apollo looking at Dee walking away and thinking, "hmm, it's been a while, I'm horny..."

The President only has maybe a month of life left...
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post #82 of 159
Pure Speculation: I'm coming to the conclusion that the 'human' cylons have plans that the other toasters don't know about. I think the androids are working toward some human cylon merge and if a bunch of robots get creamed along the way who cares. For the androids this is some holy quest for a higher life form. The question is will the humans accept the little abominations. Maybe at some point it will be the humans/androids versus the old robotic cylons. Lots of possibilities here for asking questions about what it is to be human etc. Good stuff.

PS, I think Tigh's wife is just a standard human bitch.
post #83 of 159
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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Pure Speculation: I'm coming to the conclusion that the 'human' cylons have plans that the other toasters don't know about. I think the androids are working toward some human cylon merge and if a bunch of robots get creamed along the way who cares. For the androids this is some holy quest for a higher life form. The question is will the humans accept the little abominations. Maybe at some point it will be the humans/androids versus the old robotic cylons. Lots of possibilities here for asking questions about what it is to be human etc. Good stuff.

The chick in Baltar's brain already said the Cylon's plan is the extinction of the human race. So I think there are a couple of scenarios:

1. The Cylons don't want to destroy the fleet just yet. If the Cylon's plan is for total extinction of the human race, then wouldn't they want the 'rag-tag fugitive fleet' to find Earth? This way the Cylons could exterminate any humans on Earth as well. The Cylons just need to keep putting enough pressure on the remaining fleet to keep them running towards Earth.

2. Similar to number 1 above. The Cylons can't kill the humans until they've learned enough from the humans to procreate in bioCylon form. So far the only successful bioCylon baby is Helo & Sharon's.

Like you said, if the roboCylons figure out they're going to be obsoleted they may turn on their new bioCylon masters just like they did on the humans. The bioCylons may need the humans' help. Still, remember the Cylon raider that Starbuck stole? There was some kind of organic Cylon pilot inside that ship so the only real Cylon robots left seem to be the bipedal attack droids.

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PS, I think Tigh's wife is just a standard human bitch.

post #84 of 159
Commander Cain looks HOT...
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post #85 of 159
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Pure Speculation: I'm coming to the conclusion that the 'human' cylons have plans that the other toasters don't know about.

I can't believe you'd use such speciesist terms in polite company.
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post #86 of 159
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I can't believe you'd use such speciesist terms in polite company.

Oops I'm going to get this thread sent to Politcial outsider, were it will get locked for evolutionary overtones.
post #87 of 159
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Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
The chick in Baltar's brain already said the Cylon's plan is the extinction of the human race. So I think there are a couple of scenarios:

1. The Cylons don't want to destroy the fleet just yet. If the Cylon's plan is for total extinction of the human race, then wouldn't they want the 'rag-tag fugitive fleet' to find Earth? This way the Cylons could exterminate any humans on Earth as well. The Cylons just need to keep putting enough pressure on the remaining fleet to keep them running towards Earth.

2. Similar to number 1 above. The Cylons can't kill the humans until they've learned enough from the humans to procreate in bioCylon form. So far the only successful bioCylon baby is Helo & Sharon's.

Like you said, if the roboCylons figure out they're going to be obsoleted they may turn on their new bioCylon masters just like they did on the humans. The bioCylons may need the humans' help. Still, remember the Cylon raider that Starbuck stole? There was some kind of organic Cylon pilot inside that ship so the only real Cylon robots left seem to be the bipedal attack droids.

While reading your reply I had the thought about "How all of this has happened before" as quoted by blondie. Maybe the end will be when the humans find out that they are really just the cylon children of Earth.
post #88 of 159
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Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
You would think if Sharon had some kind of port in her arm that would make it really easy to detect the 8 Cylons (is the Cylon reporter still in the fleet?) that are left....

Rememberr that they've done post-mortems on the android cylons. Impossible to detect any 'cyborgian' stuff via conventional means, only Balthar's dodgy test which takes too damn long anyway and he can't be trusted!! So I think the only 'ports' on Sharon are the regular human kind

The viral/transmitting interface, think something like biochemical/nanomachines/etc where the entire biochemical android cylon is one whole computer, there's no "data port" as we know it.
post #89 of 159
Just saw the BSG season finale.

No spoiler, just...
...whoa!


V/R,

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post #90 of 159
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Originally posted by Aries 1B
Just saw the BSG season finale.

No spoiler, just...
...whoa!


V/R,

Aries 1B

Great episode! Of course now we have to wait until January for resolution. *bites nails*

Good thing I came up with a couple of program ideas to work and keep me busy until then!
post #91 of 159
Wow.
Best episode of the season tonight, IMHO.
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post #92 of 159
BSG, ¥¥ SPOILER ¥¥ So what's up with that?

Raping cylons?
Kangaroo courts?
Executing soldiers?
A cylon Death Star?
Kain and Adama going to war?
Did Baltar's mental friend really not know about the Pegasus cylon?
How many cylons are on the Pegasus? Maybe Kain too?
Is the President not also the Comander in Chief?
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post #93 of 159
This was great TV but I kind of wish they hadn't been found by the Pegasus. Now the writers need to find a way to get rid of it. They'll either part ways or the Pegasus will be blown up from the admirals hubris. Either way it strike me as kind of silly.

Besides I'm thinking this is a Cylon ship. Let's hope it didn't jump the shark.
post #94 of 159
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While reading your reply I had the thought about "How all of this has happened before" as quoted by blondie. Maybe the end will be when the humans find out that they are really just the cylon children of Earth.

My head just exploded.
post #95 of 159
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Maybe the end will be when the humans find out that they are really just the cylon children of Earth.

So when they reach Earth it will be dead with a lone satellite signal saying, "Wrong way, go back to Caprica. Do not pass Sol do not collect 6 billion people." Oh no
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My head just exploded.

O_o That's gota hurt.
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post #96 of 159
AquaMac, some good points.

Without going point to point I'll just add;

>The Pegasus has been operating strictly as a military raider without the constraints of having to "babysit" civilians. Considering that a large part of her crew were killed in the initial attacks, she has survived by following HARSH military code.

>The Galactica (and fleet) has survived by doing almost the opposite out of necessity. If the shoe were on the other foot...

>Even the "good guys" wil commit horrendous acts under the pressure of war.

Overall, tonight's BSG episode was excellence... Can hardly wait for the next season.

Ps. Atlantis was kind of cool tonight. I give up on SG1. It's time for them to pull up the tent stakes.
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post #97 of 159
I think they call this Civil War.
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post #98 of 159
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Originally posted by hardhead
AquaMac, some good points.

Without going point to point I'll just add;

>The Pegasus has been operating strictly as a military raider without the constraints of having to "babysit" civilians. Considering that a large part of her crew were killed in the initial attacks, she has survived by following HARSH military code.

>The Galactica (and fleet) has survived by doing almost the opposite out of necessity. If the shoe were on the other foot...

>Even the "good guys" wil commit horrendous acts under the pressure of war.

Overall, tonight's BSG episode was excellence... Can hardly wait for the next season.

Ps. Atlantis was kind of cool tonight. I give up on SG1. It's time for them to pull up the tent stakes.

In total agreement. Anyone who hasn't listened to Ron Moore's podacast, I encourage you to do so. He adds a lot to the developing ideas of this episode, and he must've enjoyed it a lot: he smoked about 5 cigarettes during the podcast.

While I don't think that the Pegasus is truly the Galacatca antithesis, as hardhead enumerates (and I seem to be writing the same thing), Cain's ship has been alone after its blind jump away from the original Cylon attack. It's been removed from society, and its not had the responsibility of maintaining a society (government, etc.).

Other than the lack of leadership Cain has in not controlling the crew in assaulting the Cylon, I wouldn't fault her in any of her decisions (she now has another military asset and needs to use it as she sees fit). Her indictments and analysis of Adama's logs were dead on.

The scene with Boomer was very, very shocking--though nothing was shown, only the set-up: very good film making.

This episode, according to Moore, was to be 90 minutes (which is the version the director submitted). While they did trim it to 60 minutes, the 90 minute version will be on the Season 2 DVDs ("a much richer meal" according to Moore).
post #99 of 159
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In total agreement. ...[snip]...This episode, according to Moore, was to be 90 minutes (which is the version the director submitted). While they did trim it to 60 minutes, the 90 minute version will be on the Season 2 DVDs ("a much richer meal" according to Moore).

Speaking of DVDs, Space:Above and Beyond is now available on DVD (Took 'em long enough!).

V/R,

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post #100 of 159
Oh yeah! Got my copy...

Before BSG, maybe the best "gritty" TV SciFi. Yes, B5 maybe had the most complex and complete continuing plotline. No argument there. SAAB was "dirtier". Hoorahh.

Back to BSG. What a great show...
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post #101 of 159
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whoa. awesome. BSG... raping cyclons bit was very very disturbing. but yeah, civil war appears to be where it is headed now, since pegasus got into the mix and were all like, "we're number one!!"

the most engaging/disturbing part is this reminds me of my experience in a smaller company when it got bought over by a bigger, more (necessarily ruthless?) company. tragic.

the sharon and number six scenes were very tough. but good on sci-fi, they've learnt a lot from realityTV, if i dare say so.

in the meantime, WTF is up with survivor? i watched some of episode2 of guatemala survivor and i was like, what is the fun in seeing these 20people suffer, horrendously skinny chicks, and guys puking their guts out from heat/ exhaustion/ dehydration/ etc... ???
post #102 of 159
Fellas, I beg to defer, it is most certainly not going to be "civil war". The vast majority of the fleet will side with Adama. Even Zarek's peeps would probably throw in with the Galactica against the Pegasus (as run by Cain).

The Peg could probably mop the floor with the entire Galactica led "fleet". No, a military confrontation would not work out in Galactica's favor.

The Peg's chain of command will have to be re-arranged from within. Keep in mind that Cain and her crew are a harder and more militeristic version of the Galactica in the beginning before Roslin applied her Earth mother influence to the proceedings. Just my opinion.
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post #103 of 159
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fair enough hardhead, good points. roslin needs to work her "OMGawds i am a dying earth mother" routine on Cain & officers and "soften" them up.


<totally off topic rant>
just finished Half Life 2 yesterday. stunning. absolutely brilliant. unlike doom3, they actually leveraged their new engine for some fantastic gameplay elements that fit in well into the storyline. just wait till the "Our Benefactors" level. won't spoil it for you, but it really takes you on a journey storywise, designwise, gameplay-wise...

and the way the striders actually destroying building geometry is truly jaw-droppingly surprising...

doom3 i felt was just, okay, brand new engine, same ol' gameplay. i didn't play much past first few levels.
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post #104 of 159
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Originally posted by hardhead
Fellas, I beg to defer, it is most certainly not going to be "civil war". The vast majority of the fleet will side with Adama. Even Zarek's peeps would probably throw in with the Galactica against the Pegasus (as run by Cain).

The Peg could probably mop the floor with the entire Galactica led "fleet". No, a military confrontation would not work out in Galactica's favor.

The Peg's chain of command will have to be re-arranged from within. Keep in mind that Cain and her crew are a harder and more militeristic version of the Galactica in the beginning before Roslin applied her Earth mother influence to the proceedings. Just my opinion.

I say Baltar finally commits to the dark side (after seeing the condition of Pegasus' Cylon prisoner) and works with the chick in his head to call down a Cylon strike on the Pegasus while the rest of the fleet does one of their '12 hour jump maneuvers' to escape the impact.

Either that or they use a nice French bomb to 'poof the people out of existence' and take over the Pegasus.
post #105 of 159
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Originally posted by scottiB
This episode, according to Moore, was to be 90 minutes (which is the version the director submitted). While they did trim it to 60 minutes, the 90 minute version will be on the Season 2 DVDs ("a much richer meal" according to Moore).

You gotta love DVD! Back in the day you had to see the movie or wait many years before it was shown on TV, and that was if the movie was worth showing on TV. Next came video rentals where you had to wait a year or so before it was released for general consumption. Now, with DVD, it's like "Damn, it's already out?", but you still want to wait a month or two so you can get the "Director's Cut" which is now called the "unrated version". I believe "Desperate Housewives" has the "unrated" version so we can get the cursing and occasional chest/butt shot, but I digress.

I did not expect the season to end the way it did which tells me the writers are thinking outside the box. I expect the Pegasus to be around for at least half the next season because this "reunion" is not lovey dovey, but it is needed and will change the mood of the show.

Cain:
She lost 700+ crew members in the attack and as far as she knew the Pegasus and it's (remaining) crew is all that is left of humanity. With no home, family, replacements, etc. the only thing left to do is attack the Cylons. With the midset of "kill", the crew has lost a little of their humanity, learned to not fear the Cylons, become battle hardened, and Cain has absolute authority with only the Pegasus and crew to think of in her decisions.

Adama:
He knows there are survivors and he (Galactica) is their protection, but he did not believe in Earth so he seemed to develop the minset that they would just cruise through space until the "end", whatever that may be. He avoids the Cylons when he can, not because he is afraid of them, but because he has to protect the fleet, and everytime he runs it chips away at his purpose, which is to fight the enemy. This had the subtle affect of causing him to relax the rules and conduct of the crew and they in turn became semi-autonomous.

Predictions:
The Vipers will either start firing at each other or just about to start firing when something happens to keep a full scale dogfight from happening. Either Cylons will show up and both sides unite and wipe out the Cylons or Cain will back down. Cain will lossen up and Adama will more rigid in his command.

After the Pegasus disappears and her Vipers become part of the Galactica, Adama will be more militaristic in his approach to commanding the fleet because he will have a purpose again. He will break up cliques that formed, conduct regular patrols, attack when he can, etc. Adama will not look at the fleet as if they are running with their legs between their tails, but instead like the society they are. Each ship has a "specialty" that will be used to its fullest, and maybe convert a few to be used as manufacturing plants.
post #106 of 159
The fact is trob, the Galactica fleet has survived on account of that "tail between legs" attitude. The Peg may change that...

suni, go start your own thread man. Oh wait, I just started it for you...
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post #107 of 159
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The fact is trob, the Galactica fleet has survived on account of that "tail between legs" attitude. The Peg may change that...

My point was not that Adama is scared and unwilling to take on the Cylons because he did take the Cylon base with the fuel and the base star that was orbiting Kobol, but emotionally, he was becoming more reactive rather than proactive in his leadership of the fleet because he had been getting hit from all sides and it was taking its toll on him:
1 - Annihilation of the colonies (no more home).
2 - finding out Cylons can pass as humans (could be anyone in any position).
3 - Starbuck (future daughter-in-law/last link to dead son) admitting to passing Adama's son when he wasn't qualified (lost two sons, one dead, the other hating him - semi-betrayal)
4 - President was trying to usurp Adama's authority (Starbuck going to Caprica on President's request - betrayal)
5 - Apollo sides with the President and turns his gun on the military (betrayal).
6 - Boomer turns out to be a Cylon and shoots Adama (betrayal, near death experience)
7 - Apollo and the President escape and a quarter of the fleet mutinies by taking off for Kobol.

Emotionally, Adama started to get his bearings straight (entered the fifth stage of grief) after Dualla said he was letting the fleet down. He reunited with his son and the President, faced his "shooter" who then saved his life, found the path to Earth, and the fleet got a renewed sense of purpose.

From a military point of view his "house" was/is not in order:
1 - The ship was in the process of being decommissioned when the Cylons attacked.
2 - Starboard flight pod is a museum so, at most, only half the amount of Vipers the Galactica could carry to defend the fleet are available.
3 - Supplies are low.

Cain, being Adama's superior and not having had to worry about civilians, will give Adama a much needed refresher course on how to run a battlestar. Protocols will be followed, teams will be created based on skills/purpose, regular patrols will be run, etc.

Since the writers are only running with the basic premise of the original series (home world destroyed and looking for a legendary planet called "Earth") it would not surprise me if we saw the destruction of the Pegasus.
post #108 of 159
[heavy_low frequency breathing] Impressive, most impressive.[/heavy_low frequency breathing]
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post #109 of 159
Were in rerun season now. Which is good because that british chick on SG1 is fucking not as shit.
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Originally posted by troberts
....... it would not surprise me if we saw the destruction of the Pegasus.....


prediction: somewhere in season3 the Pegasus will be used to slam into and thus annihlate the big badass hidden cylon thingy protected by the two base stars.
post #111 of 159
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here's the dodgy bit though: the Pegasus is a much newer battlestar with fancy new-style vipers. why didn't their systems get fracked up by the colonies- ministry- of- defence- screwed- over- by- balthar- cylon- viruses ??? hmmm....
post #112 of 159
Because it's a cylon ship withe a cylon crew.
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Originally posted by fng
Because it's a cylon ship withe a cylon crew.


raping their own cylon prisoner
but yeah we see what they've done with the sharon clone for their "higher purposes" so... man these cylons are real mindf**kers. give me a good ol' fashioned psycobiatch like tigh's wife any day (she's NOT a cylon godsdammit)
post #114 of 159
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Because it's a cylon ship withe a cylon crew.

That would be too big a coincidence. And there are only 12 Cylon models, remember?
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****SPOILER WARNING DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETELY WATCHED SEASON 2****








well cain could easily be one of the 12. we've seen that all the cylon chicks are tough, sexy and hot...... (number six, boomer, journalist with aussie accent, .... cain ???
post #116 of 159
Important question: where did we get the idea that there are only 12 cylon models?
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Important question: where did we get the idea that there are only 12 cylon models?

I believe that Baltar's Babe told him that.

Then again, Baltar could have made it up vs. having it made up for him.

Speculation is a signpost on the road to madness.


V/R,

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I believe that Baltar's Babe told him that.

Then again, Baltar could have made it up vs. having it made up for him.

Speculation is a signpost on the road to madness.


V/R,

Aries 1B

ding ding ding! Soooooo....the assumption you're operating under may not be true.
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ding ding ding! Soooooo....the assumption you're operating under may not be true.

To paraphrase G'Khar: "Nothing in this show is as it appears"

V/R,

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that's why i've given up on LOST - i have no idea WTF is going on and the constant writers' fucking with my mind did me in. BSG is very brave and adventuruous but at least they are operating within a well-known genre, ie, sci-fi, but spinning it in some really interesting new directions while keeping the drama at engaging but not excessive levels. LOST is just one big senseless mindfuck IMO. not to mention it's formulaic, every week some new mystery happens at the island, which somehow ties back at the end of each episode with the flashbacks that the characters have. whatevah...
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