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post #1 of 25
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My blood test came back not so good:
Total Cholesterol 215
LDL 160
HDL 26
Triglycerides 153

My doctor wants me to take Vytorin (a combo of zocor and zetia), but I am nervous about it. I already have fibromyaligia so I already have muscle and bone aches and I may not be able to tell if its giving me side effects.

I have tried doing it naturally, but didn't get the results I wanted.

I currently take policosanol, but I just found out that it isnt the exact same that
was used in the Cuban Health Trials. There is a pharmacy in Australia that sells
the real deal.
I also take Fish Oils, but may switch to Flax Oil because it agress with me more
and I eat fish (canned salmon or tuna) 5 mornings a week for breakfast.
I take a multi, extra C and E, Cal/Mag, CoQ10 30 Mg, Silymarin for the liver,
pancreatin, and barley Juice Caps.

I am considering adding some things for cholesterol and the liver-
Sytrinol
Curcumin
Pantethine
Cinnamon Caps

Now, this is if i decide not to attempt to take the drug. My family wants me to
take it. My CRP level is only 1.2 and I have low blood pressure, not high,
however my low HDL's have me a little concerned.

Does anyone here have any experience with statins, or natural substitutes?
Thanks
post #2 of 25
I know that cholesterol awareness is a growing problem among Mexican immigrants.
post #3 of 25
Take the drugs your doctor recommended, but keep him apprised of whether your muscle/bone aches increase in frequency.

Also, remember that like the effectiveness of drugs, the placebo effect can also lead to side effects that aren't physiologically relevant.
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post #4 of 25
Cholesterol of 215 may not be that bad. It is my opinion that that "you need medication if you can't get below 200" is a myth put out there by the pharm. industry.

Do you have heart disease in your family? Are you a smoker? What is your lifestyle like?

In my case, I have cholesterol that is even higher than yours...around 220-240. However, I am not a smoker and I have little heart disease in my family. Cholesterol is only one indicator, so for now I'm not doing much about it.
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post #5 of 25
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I've desided not to take the drug for now.
My CRP is only 1.2
I have low blood pressure
My homocysteine levels are normal
my blood test otherwise are completely normal

My grandfather dies of congestive heart failure at 72, but he was overweight.
I am not overweight.

I am going to stick with the supplements and add a couple more.

From what I've been reading on the web, there is quite a cholesterol myth out there.
I would still like to get it to within range, though, and I will continue to try to do it naturally.
I think the problem is more with my liver so i will be looking to increase its function with some herbs.
post #6 of 25
My father in law tried massive excercise for 30 years trying to get his HDL up, and only suceeded when taking Flax-seed oil.

My doctor told me that it is the ratio that matters, which is why my 160/32
total/HDL is still a problem. I haven't tried the flax-seed oil yet, though.
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post #7 of 25
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Originally posted by e1618978
My father in law tried massive excercise for 30 years trying to get his HDL up, and only suceeded when taking Flax-seed oil.

My doctor told me that it is the ratio that matters, which is why my 160/32
total/HDL is still a problem. I haven't tried the flax-seed oil yet, though.

I used to take flax seed oil but stopped.
I actually ordered a bottle a couple days ago, its good stuff, I will take it from now on.
post #8 of 25
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Originally posted by steve666
I used to take flax seed oil but stopped.
I actually ordered a bottle a couple days ago, its good stuff, I will take it from now on.

It also helps with joint stiffness, from what I hear.
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post #9 of 25
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Originally posted by SDW2001
It also helps with joint stiffness, from what I hear.

Yes, it does help somewhat. I have fibromyalgia so it should help a little.
post #10 of 25
Hey Steve take Red Yeast Rice by Nature's Plus their extended release formula in the PM. It is a natural form of a statin drug.

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Don't forget the minimum of 30 mg of coq10 when on a statin drug of any sort.

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post #11 of 25
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Hey Steve take Red Yeast Rice by Nature's Plus their extended release formula in the PM. It is a natural form of a statin drug.

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Don't forget the minimum of 30 mg of coq10 when on a statin drug of any sort.

Fellows

Thank you. Yes, it has lovastatin in it.
That is one thing I am definitely considering but I wonder if it has the same potential side effects.
post #12 of 25
Just got in my results. I was pretty happy, since there's actually a fair amount of high-cholesterol in my family.

Total: 150
LDL: 70
HDL: 63

Forget the rest.
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post #13 of 25
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
Just got in my results. I was pretty happy, since there's actually a fair amount of high-cholesterol in my family.

Total: 150
LDL: 70
HDL: 63

Forget the rest.

Those are great numbers-are you on a statin or did you do this naturally?
Be careful, though, too little cholesterol is also bad.
post #14 of 25
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Originally posted by steve666
Those are great numbers-are you on a statin or did you do this naturally?
Be careful, though, too little cholesterol is also bad.

If I'm on a statin, it's not intentional. However, I am a competitive runner and I eat a lot of fish and soy. This is the first real blood test I've ever had. I thought it would be worse, given the high cholesterol trend that seems to come straight down from my paternal relatives. So I don't really plan on switching my diet now that I got good results. (I am only 24)
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post #15 of 25
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
If I'm on a statin, it's not intentional. However, I am a competitive runner and I eat a lot of fish and soy. This is the first real blood test I've ever had. I thought it would be worse, given the high cholesterol trend that seems to come straight down from my paternal relatives. So I don't really plan on switching my diet now that I got good results. (I am only 24)

Your diet and age has a lot to do with it, also the exercise.
I had low cholesterol all my life until I hit the late 30s.
Now Im eating better, but I need something to lower the numbers and raise the HDL. Im taking some natural things so hopefully they will help.
post #16 of 25
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I know that cholesterol awareness is a growing problem among Mexican immigrants.

I agree with your statement the problem is prevailed in Asian countries like India and many more countries. Do you know SPAMLINK was come up with good clinical research on cholesterol.
post #17 of 25
Another solution: don't have your cholesterol checked. Saves a lot of stress...
Or is a cholesterol check standard in the US??
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I agree with your statement the problem is prevailed in Asian countries like India and many more countries. Do you know ..spam link ... was come up with good clinical research on cholesterol.

Another day, another spammer.
post #19 of 25
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You would think Crestor would have enough advertising money to not spam internet message boards...

It's all about boosting google pagerank.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by steve666 View Post

I've desided not to take the drug for now.
My CRP is only 1.2
I have low blood pressure
My homocysteine levels are normal
my blood test otherwise are completely normal

My grandfather dies of congestive heart failure at 72, but he was overweight.
I am not overweight.

I am going to stick with the supplements and add a couple more.

From what I've been reading on the web, there is quite a cholesterol myth out there.
I would still like to get it to within range, though, and I will continue to try to do it naturally.
I think the problem is more with my liver so i will be looking to increase its function with some herbs.

I agree there is a myth, and it's one invented to sell drugs. Statins can have long term side effects or so I've heard. Personally I wouldn't take them unless I had a real family history and high cholesterol. Eat decently, stay in shape and get regular exams. Cholesterol of 215 is not something to panic about.
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post #22 of 25
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Hi, I am 19 years old. I have very low cholesterol. I remember having it checked and my total cholesterol was 85. The HDL/ LDL ratios were fine. The doctor seemed surprised and asked if I ran marathons. I'm just a vegetarian who eats reasonably well. Should I be trying to raise my cholesterol? Should I eat eggs and fatty food?

85 is way too low, thats not healthy. Add whole eggs and maybe some ice cream also. Low cholesterol is just as bad as high.
post #23 of 25
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85 is way too low, thats not healthy. Add whole eggs and maybe some ice cream also. Low cholesterol is just as bad as high.

A total cholesterol of 85 is unhealthy, and so are statins.

I was athletic, healthy and content before taking a statin drug seven years ago. I am now 35 lbs heavier, lethargic, my joints ache, my muscles have atrophied; my memory, once good, is now spotty; I have little staying power, and I KNOW the statins, which I have not taken for over two years, are to blame. In restricting the mevalonate pathway to decrease the production of cholesterol, statins affect other vital functions utilizing the mevalonate pathway, such as the synthesis of CoQ10, dolichol and selenoprotein, and normal Glyceryl-glyceryl phosphorylation. These processes are not simply necessary for health, they are necessary for life. This is not only a dangerous, but for some, a potentially lethal medication.

Here's a link to an informative paper on statins - how they work and how they harm. Remove the ** before you link.

**http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html

Regards,

Brooks
post #24 of 25
The nutrition part with statins is very important, there is some nutritional deficiencies that are from taking statins. If you increase the amount of the depleted nutrient then you can probably do ok with statins. But always do your research before making an informed decision.

Hope this helps!

Terry
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post #25 of 25
I've read that a combination of Glycolic Acid peels and Emu oil is supposed to be good. Now if I only could remember where I read this Anyhow, Emu oil sure is awesome stuff!!!
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