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post #41 of 188
9/1/05 at 9:52am
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Here we go again!

FileMaker Pro 8, Safari updates and now apparently dot mac is being updated to version 3 as evidenced by the fact that I haven't been able to access it all morning. Probably installing new backend and adding all sorts of new online material, like the new Backup v. 3 along with exclusive widgets.

My theory seems to be holding up. What kind of Apple hardware will we be seeing next week?
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post #42 of 188
9/1/05 at 9:58am
Seeing how September 7th is next week.....I guess an iTunes phone and/or iPod 5G....
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post #43 of 188
9/1/05 at 10:00am
.mac has been down for hours now... I think this is some kind of serious outage, not necessarily an upgrade.

As for a "surefire indicator", the most dependable indicator I've seen is inventory levels at distributors. It appears that the PowerMac is in low supply, and the 17" PowerBook. But with the Intel transition afoot, I'm not sure that this is that meaningful. At times in the past, Apple has let inventory of some products sit at zero for months; the transition might make this happen again.
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9/22/05 at 10:22pm
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Over the last week we have seen Apple release a Security Update, the iPod Updater, Backup 3.0, iTunes 5.0.1, Xsan Tuner, Java 1.3.1 and 1.4.2 Release 2, the Java Security Update and WaveBurner 1.1.1.

Well, that means we will see some new Apple hardware released the first part of next week.
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post #45 of 188
9/24/05 at 12:40am
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Originally posted by rongold
Well, that means we will see some new Apple hardware released the first part of next week.

You have an interesting theory. It is reasonable and it did work with the iBooks. However, more experimental evidence is needed before accepting it as scientifically proved.

I just hope it works and around Oct 1 we will finally see something new, like long overdue PB updates.
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post #46 of 188
9/30/05 at 9:37pm
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Originally posted by Emin
You have an interesting theory. It is reasonable and it did work with the iBooks. However, more experimental evidence is needed before accepting it as scientifically proved.

I have already accepted it as scientifically proven. In fact, I trust my theory to the extent that I even went so far as to go out and purchase a new Mac mini yesterday knowing that I would get the new and improved super-speedy super drive, the 1.5GHz G4, Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR, a faster hard drive AND the upgraded video card with double the RAM. If you are unsure of whether the serial number reveals the contents of the new & improved mini, I have a story for you. Some store employee seemingly sauntered up and exclaimed, "Hey, that there is one of those new Mac minis" and the employee I was originally talking to says, "how do you know" (as if he really didn't know). Then the greasy-haired employee with a sock sticking out of his back pocket???, says "Because it has a slash B there!" and points to the sticker. So ther you go, if you don't want to trust the serial numbers with the most recent week and the proper country code, just look for the "/B".

Oh, they are also now including iWorks with these in addition to iLife, Quicken 2005, Marble Blast Gold, Nanosaur 2 (is that an omen :-) ) and the System Discs now include Mac OS 10.4.2, AHT 1.1 on the first disc (version 1.0) and then the second disk which I THINK has the applications (iLife, iWork, etc.)is now labeled version 1.3.
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9/30/05 at 10:05pm
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Some store employee seemingly sauntered up and exclaimed, "Hey, that there is one of those new Mac minis" and the employee I was originally talking to says, "how do you know" (as if he really didn't know). Then the greasy-haired employee with a sock sticking out of his back pocket???, says "Because it has a slash B there!" and points to the sticker. So ther you go, if you don't want to trust the serial numbers with the most recent week and the proper country code, just look for the "/B".

Really.

Well I guess you should tell the people that maintain Apple's website, because all three models listed on their Tech Specs page are the older version, yet end with "/B".



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Oh, they are also now including iWorks with these

They include software they haven't even announced yet! I'm shocked.
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post #48 of 188
9/30/05 at 11:05pm
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Originally posted by Chucker
Really.

Well I guess you should tell the people that maintain Apple's website, because all three models listed on their Tech Specs page are the older version, yet end with "/B".


Yeah, I was mainly just telling the story for entertainment value. It was probably more funny for me though than anyone else here.



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They include software they haven't even announced yet! I'm shocked.

Well, it's the $79 package with Keynote and Pages. Just something else to add to the new hardware release. Kinda like having Tiger included so you don't have to purchase it seperately.

Actually, when you add up the value of all the software included with this thing, the computer can just be looked at as expensive packaging.

$ 70 Quicken 2005
$ 79 iWork
$ 79 iLife
$129 Tiger

That's $357, if you get the low end mini, you are only paying $149 for a brand new Mac... but I digress.
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post #49 of 188
9/30/05 at 11:27pm
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They include software they haven't even announced yet! I'm shocked.

What are you talking about?!? iWork has been available pretty much sine the introduction of the Mac mini...

I know it was one of the items I installed when I set up a Mac mini for my ex-wife back in March of this year...
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post #50 of 188
9/30/05 at 11:27pm
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Originally posted by rongold
Yeah, I was mainly just telling the story for entertainment value. It was probably more funny for me though than anyone else here.

You were telling it in a way as to make me think that you actually believed that. To my knowledge, Mac mini packages have absolutely *no* indication of whether they're the newer version; the only way to find out is to either break open a Mac mini and look at the bare hardware, or to actually run the thing and check in System Profiler.

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Well, it's the $79 package with Keynote and Pages.

I was just commenting on the common "iWorks" misspelling.

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Actually, when you add up the value of all the software included with this thing, the computer can just be looked at as expensive packaging.

$ 70 Quicken 2005
$ 79 iWork
$ 79 iLife
$129 Tiger

That's $357, if you get the low end mini, you are only paying $149 for a brand new Mac... but I digress.

True, but then again, these are OEM versions, you don't get the entire package. For example, there's usually no printed documentation, no separate box, etc. Apple (just like similar suppliers like Dell) gets huge discounts on these OEM versions.
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post #51 of 188
9/30/05 at 11:28pm
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What are you talking about?!? iWork has been available pretty much sine the introduction of the Mac mini...

Jeez, lighten up. I was talking about this ominous "iWorks"
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post #52 of 188
9/30/05 at 11:42pm
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Jeez, lighten up. I was talking about this ominous "iWorks"

Whoa, slow down...

Someone adds an extra "s" to something, and it become ominous...

Check your meds!

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post #53 of 188
9/30/05 at 11:54pm
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Originally posted by Chucker
You were telling it in a way as to make me think that you actually believed that. To my knowledge, Mac mini packages have absolutely *no* indication of whether they're the newer version;

I'm pretty sure you can count on checking which week of the year that the mini was put together to reveal if it is a new "updated" model - these 2 digits are found directly after the 5 at the front of the serial number. They have been assembling these every since they stopped that Mac mini promotion a few weeks back.
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post #54 of 188
10/1/05 at 12:03am
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Actually, I think they started part way through week #35 (which is the same week they cancelled the Test Drive a Mac mini promotion) so I wouldn't count on any from that week necessarily.
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10/1/05 at 12:19am
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That would explain cancelling that program. A simple miscommunication between marketing and development.

If they had gone forward with the program too many people would have sent back the Mini after 30 days and then gone bought the new one.
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post #56 of 188
10/1/05 at 6:34pm
Well, if they're just 'slipstreaming' those upgrades in there, I wonder if the same thing might happen to the iBook? A 14" with a 1.5GHz and more VRAM would be pretty nice to have...

BTW as to the "Surefire Indicator", it looks like Apple inventory is at an all-time low for nearly all products. It's too early for the Intel stuff to be appearing, there's little software to run on it. Someone go shake the pipeline and see if you hear anything rattling in there.
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post #57 of 188
10/1/05 at 6:51pm
Yeah, if you're a school looking to buy a 15-inch PowerBook looks like you have a long wait...




Contrast that with two weeks ago:

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post #58 of 188
3/29/06 at 7:25pm
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Updates from Apple this week:

iPod Updater 2006-03-23
Final Cut Pro 5
Soundtrack Pro
Motion 2
DVD Studio Pro 4

This guarantees new hardware within about 10 days time.
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post #59 of 188
3/29/06 at 7:31pm
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I was completely out of touch with the world, no where near a computer, the last time Apple released new hardware (Mac mini and iPod Hi-Fi) but they too were preceded by a Front Row update, G5 firmware update and a whole series of iLife application updates.
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post #60 of 188
3/29/06 at 7:47pm
Interesting, rongold...I had forgotten about this thread!

Interesting dates come to mind at the moment. Aside from obligatory April Fools Day Apple 30th Anniverary, there's Tuesday April 4, a date largely speculated Apple would update hardware, including the venerable AppleInsider. Beyond this, I see Tuesday April 11th as the outside possibility.

Hardware expected:
MacBooks with 13-inch widescreen displays in a new or updated form factor

17-inch MacBook Pro (outside possibility). Although with Toshiba, Dell et al coming out now with their 17-inch Core Duo notebooks, this may force Apple's hand. Hopefully if they do release it, it will not have the dreaded sound and production issues the first iteration of the MacBook Pro has...

True iPod Videos with 4-inch widescreens and a virtual click wheel.

I say bring it on.

I think the deal will be sealed WRT hardware if the 10.4.6 update appears in the next few days...
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post #61 of 188
3/29/06 at 9:31pm
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Hopefully if they do release it, it will not have the dreaded sound and production issues the first iteration of the MacBook Pro has...



Pardon me, but what problems have you noticed.? My MacBook Pro has been so far exemplary!


Sound is good.

Production is also good.

I am perplexed.

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post #62 of 188
3/29/06 at 9:52pm
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Pardon me, but what problems have you noticed.? My MacBook Pro has been so far exemplary!


Sound is good.

Production is also good.

I am perplexed.

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There's just been a few issues with the MacBook Pros. For example, whining noises.
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post #63 of 188
3/30/06 at 11:43am
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There's just been a few issues with the MacBook Pros. For example, whining noises.

From the FWIW department:
A teacher colleague (a Windows switcher) just told me that while trying to buy a 1.83GHz MacBook Pro yesterday, with the $200 educator discount, she was persuaded by an Apple Store employee to hold off if she wanted to "save $500." Because "Apple's 30th anniversary is this weekend," to "expect a big announcement about it" over the weekend or early next week. She was told to hold off purchasing an Apple until next week, and that "everything would be Intel," and, "you didn't hear it from me!" I inferred from the conversation as she related it that 'everything' was in reference to the laptops.

Again, FWIW. I'll believe it when I see it!
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post #64 of 188
3/30/06 at 12:00pm
Damn! Who dug this thread up?
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post #65 of 188
3/30/06 at 12:34pm
To those of you who think Apple will just ignore their 30th birthday as if nothing happened: You're (probably) terribly mistaken.

Apple loves media attention. Hell, they work the media into a frenzy over introducing the new Mac Mini and iPod HiFi for no reason at all! And now they have a perfectly good reason, and they're just going to pass it up? I don't think so!

I have no clue what they'll introduce or what they'll do, but it would be very surprising if it were nothing.
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post #66 of 188
3/30/06 at 12:48pm
Yeah, I expect that Apple wants our jaws to drop on Saturday. Having no mention of it (i.e. no invitations) makes me think that even more. I expect we'll wake up to find $999 Intel iMacs Saturday -- and only Saturday -- or something as equally sale-like.
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3/30/06 at 2:13pm
And then it says April fools on your $1,699.00, or $1,299.00 bill the following day.
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post #68 of 188
3/30/06 at 2:18pm
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Yeah, I expect that Apple wants our jaws to drop on Saturday. Having no mention of it (i.e. no invitations) makes me think that even more. I expect we'll wake up to find $999 Intel iMacs Saturday -- and only Saturday -- or something as equally sale-like.

1 free iTune track for all would be a cool present. Bugger, a free mac for all would be ace, and probably just as unlikely!
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3/30/06 at 2:41pm
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1 free iTune track for all would be a cool present. Bugger, a free mac for all would be ace, and probably just as unlikely!

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4/3/06 at 1:21pm
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Originally posted by rongold
Updates from Apple this week:

iPod Updater 2006-03-23
Final Cut Pro 5
Soundtrack Pro
Motion 2
DVD Studio Pro 4

This guarantees new hardware within about 10 days time.

Now System Update version 10.4.6 has been released.
We have about 7 more days. That puts us at next Tuesday.
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4/3/06 at 3:34pm
Apple Special Event - April 11th?

This coincides with the expiration of a sale at Amazon.com, although it's not really illustrative of anything.

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Monday, April 3 2006 @ 9:31 AM CT | Article Link
Amazon.com is offering mail-in rebates worth up to $150 off the price of a MacBook Pro, iMac, or Mac mini through April 11th (see the rebate form available on each product's specification page). To qualify for the rebate, you must purchase the Mac from Amazon.com -- not one of their partners (Office Depot, etc.). Including the rebate, prices are as follows. Ground shipping is free:

- 15" 2GHz MacBook Pro: $2349.99 MSRP $2499; sku B0006PK94Q
- 15" 1.83GHz MacBook Pro: $1849.99 MSRP $1999; sku B000BNLC3K

- 20" 2.0GHz iMac: $1549.99 MSRP $1699; sku B000BNLGJA
- 17" 1.8GHz iMac: $1174.99 MSRP $1299; sku B000BNNGUC

- 1.66GHz Mac mini: $774.99 MSRP $799; sku B000EPWDTM
- 1.5GHz Mac mini: $574.99 MSRP $599; sku B000EPWDTC

All models are in stock today with 24-hour shipping.
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4/3/06 at 7:59pm
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Apple Special Event - April 11th?

This coincides with the expiration of a sale at Amazon.com, although it's not really illustrative of anything.

I don't think that means anything. There is always a rebate at amazon (I took advantage of one myself). As soon as an offer ends, they replace it with a new one.
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4/4/06 at 6:26am
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From the FWIW department:
A teacher colleague (a Windows switcher) just told me that while trying to buy a 1.83GHz MacBook Pro yesterday, with the $200 educator discount, she was persuaded by an Apple Store employee to hold off if she wanted to "save $500." Because "Apple's 30th anniversary is this weekend," to "expect a big announcement about it" over the weekend or early next week. She was told to hold off purchasing an Apple until next week, and that "everything would be Intel," and, "you didn't hear it from me!" I inferred from the conversation as she related it that 'everything' was in reference to the laptops.

Again, FWIW. I'll believe it when I see it!

Did the conversation take place in an elevator? If so, I'll give it some credit!

Never saw this thread before... very interesting sleuthing going on. Hope it's true!

Does anyone have a short list of the past few occurrances?

 

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4/4/06 at 9:01am
rongold, I haven't been following this thread since its inception last summer, so I haven't seen the correlation directly, myself. From the replies above, it does seem others are convinced.

My question is what logic drives the correlation. Groking the logic behind it may lead to insight into other timeline patterns.

Presumably hardware driver updates are only needed by the new machines being released, so such doesn't need to be released early, since it will ship with new machines.

Maybe Apple software cycles are mated to the hardware cycles, but again that would logically be driven by the need for new drivers, not patches and upgrades to existing software.

Regardless, if the pattern works, kudos for discerning it!
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4/5/06 at 12:01pm
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My theory is that Apple has to clear the gates and assures the buying public that they are continuing to address these customers concerns and brings assurance that they are working for us. It goes a little bit farther than even updating software to correct any outstanding issues. In some cases it involves new trade-in programs (ie: scratched iPod finish issues, scrambled or distorted video issues with G5s) or even firmware updates, all in an effort to make sure everyone is happy so they can go on introducing new hardware without leaving purchasers of recent hardware out in the cold.

Here is a collection of updates covering the length of time this thread has been going. I haven't bothered including the previous 2 or 3 years that instigated my hypothesis but I think you will get the point.

The updates were released a week or two previous to new hardware announcements. There has been a case where there was an entire string of updates lasting for 3 weeks as noted below.

July 13 - 26
iSync 2.1 Update
Mac OS X 10.4.2 Update
iPhoto 5.0.3 Update
Airport 4.2 Update
DVD Studio Pro 4.0.1 Update
Final Cut Pro 5.0.2 Update
SoundTrack Pro 1.0.1 Update
GarageBand 2.0.2 Update
DVD Studio Pro 5 Update
Compressor 2 Update
Apple Qmaster 2 Update

Then on July 26
Apple Enhances Mac mini
Apple Unveils Faster iBooks
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August 29 - September 6
FileMaker Pro 8
Safari 2.0.1 Update
Safari 1.3.1 Update
QuickTime 6.5.2 Update for Windows

Then on September 7
Apple Introduces iPod nano
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This part is weird. You can look at this one as an extra week of updates being released (going into October) or break it down into two separate cycles (end of September, beginning of October) as I did hear.

September 13 - 22
Security Update 2005-007
iPod Updater
Backup 3.0
iTunes 5.0.1
Xsan Tuner
Java 1.3.1 and 1.4.2 Release 2
Java Security Update and WaveBurner 1.1.1.

Then on September 27
Apple UNOFFICIALLY starts selling new Mac minis with faster hard drives, bigger video card, faster processor, new faster super drive in addition to dual-layer reading and writing, integrated wi-fi/Bluetooth card with EDR.
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September 22 - October 4
Security Update 2005-008 (Mac OS X 10.3.9)
Security Update 2005-008 (Mac OS X 10.4.2)
QuickTime 7.0.2 for Mac
QuickTime 7.0.2 for Windows
Logic Pro Update 7.1.1
Logic Express Update 7.1.1

Then on October 12, 2005
Apple Unveils the New iPod
Apple Introduces the New iMac G5
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December 23 - January 3
AirPort Extreme Firmware Update 5.7 for Mac OS X
AirPort Extreme Firmware Update 5.7 for Windows
AirPortExpress Firmware Update 6.3 for Mac OS X
AirPortExpress Firmware Update 6.3 for Windows
Aperture 1.0.1 Update
Soundtrack Pro Update
Compressor 2 Update

Then on January 10
Apple Unveils New iMac with Intel Core Duo Processor
Apple Introduces MacBook Pro
Apple Announces the iPod Radio Remote
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February 14 - 20
iWeb 1.0.1
iDVD 6.0.1
iMovie HD 6.0.1
iPhoto 6.0.1
Mac OS X 10.4.5 Update
Mac OS X Server 10.4.5 Update

Then on February 28
Apple Announces iPod Hi-Fi
Apple Unveils Mac mini with Intel Core Duo
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March 27 - ?
MacBook Pro (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0.1
iMac (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0.1
Mac mini (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0.1
Bonjour for Windows 1.0.3
Java 2 Standard Edition 5.0 Release 4 (PPC)
Java 2 Standard Edition (J2SE) 5.0 Release 4 (Universal)
Aperture 1.1
Apple Remote Desktop 3.0
Boot Camp
Mac mini (early 2006) Firmware Update 1.0
Mac (Intel) Firmware Update 1.0
Mac (Intel) Firmware Restorer 1.0
Mac OS X Server 10.4.6 Combo (Universal)
Mac OS X Server 10.4.6 (Universal)
Mac OS X 10.4.6 for Intel (Universal)
Mac OS X 10.4.6 for PPC (Universal)
Mac OS X 10.4.6 Combo for PPC
Mac OS X 10.4.6 Combo for Intel (Universal)
Final Cut Pro 5
Soundtrack Pro
Motion 2
DVD Studio Pro 4
iPod Updater 2006-03-23 (Universal)

Then on April ?
will Apple Announce or unveil some new hardware?
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4/5/06 at 12:27pm
I am waiting to see some new hardware! Still no new hardware. The rumors are a waste! Apple still didn't acknowledge their 30th WTF, WTF!!

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4/5/06 at 1:25pm
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I am waiting to see some new hardware! Still no new hardware. The rumors are a waste! Apple still didn't acknowledge their 30th WTF, WTF!!

Easy, easy. We still have till next Tuesday.

I suppose it is possible that they could continue to release updates for a 3 week period leading up to some sort of involved hardware unveiling on the 18th rather than the 11th.


I can't believe you expected Apple to give YOU something on THEIR birthday. Doesn't it usually work the other way around. If you are talking about Apple celebrating (ah, I see you asked about Apple not even acknowledging), I think corporations usually celebrate a monumental event, like being in business for 30 years, throughout the course of the year.
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4/5/06 at 2:49pm
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4/5/06 at 6:42pm
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Originally posted by Ireland
That's so funny I forgot to laugh! Apple, gimme, gimme gimme!


what's that smell?

I couldnt' be a troll could it?
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4/5/06 at 7:00pm
This theory for predicting when Apple releases new products sounds intriguing. But what I want to know is how often does Apple release lots of software updates like you describe but there is NOT a following hardware upgrade?
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