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post #41 of 154
7/22/05 at 8:47pm
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Originally posted by mjteix
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iBook 12/13" @ 1.33 512MB HD40@5400 Combo ATI 9600/64 $999
iBook 14/15" @ 1.50 512MB HD60@5400 Combo ATI 9600/64 $1299
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this is looking really possible now, given that apple has to secure at least 2 months of good back to school sales for this quarter, this would seal the deal for july-to-september quarter. c'mon apple, you can do it.

a mac mini update would be the icing on the cake.

i think radeon 9600 mobility/normal, 512mb, and 5400rpm drives have to be there for a good running start with Tiger 10.4.2 and iLife 05. particularly if apple wants to err on the side of caution given that they themselves admit they do not know the extent of the impact of the intel announcement. (focus groups, market testing can only give you so much information)


yes, yes, i have a better feeling about this. 5400rpm drives in the iBook, albeit at lower sizes than current powerbooks, and it is possible powerbook update in paris will come with 7200rpm drives.... powerbooks if not updated in paris september 20 will be rolled out in time for christmas frenzy to seal the deal for the christmas october-to-december quarter
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post #42 of 154
7/26/05 at 9:25am
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Less then 2 months now and ibook and mini got a bump/ double ram.

Only left are Powermac, Powerbook and xserve.

970mp and a minor bump for powerbook.
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post #43 of 154
7/26/05 at 9:41am
I just re-read this thread, and I believe I was too optimistic: 13" screen and 5400rpm HDs for iBooks...
Maybe the powerbook 12" will turn 13" at Apple Expo, let's hope, and a little speedbump maybe to 1.8Ghz.
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post #44 of 154
7/26/05 at 9:42am
If anyone is interested in joining fellow Appleinsider folks to the Paris Expo, please IM me. I go every year, we usualy have a group of 10 - 15 guys & gals (All English-German-French Speaking). It's a great time in a great city.
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post #45 of 154
7/26/05 at 10:17am
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Originally posted by fieldor

Only left are Powermac, Powerbook and xserve.

970mp and a minor bump for powerbook.

It is Powerbook's turn this time. And it will get the 7448 from Freescale. Not sure though if this chip can support faster graphics.
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post #46 of 154
8/1/05 at 12:29pm
With the iBooks and Mac minis now upgraded I believe the PMs and PBs are the only things left. Unless Apple is going to put in a new Freescale chip (especially if the dual core is ready, regardless of estimated ship schedules) then I can see that announced. Otherwise the focus will probably be on a PM with IBMs newest chips.

There is also the chance for "one more thing", especially if Steve J is giving a keynote speech. Hopefully it will be something that we haven't thought of (like the original iPod) and blow the market away.

Right now I believe that most of Apple's R&D money is directed at the Mactel lines (especially those that will be released first), working with developers to convert to Mactel, developing an enhanced version of iWork (with a spreadsheet and a junior version of FileMaker) and a new iLife. These all lead to Jan 06 through June 06 releases.

To keep sales of the Macs continuing through this period I see "enhancements" to current lines only, like the iBooks and Mac minis just got. No mind blowing form factors for any Macs until it's time for Mactels - then watch out, your credit card will be at risk.
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post #47 of 154
8/1/05 at 1:30pm
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Originally posted by kenaustus
Unless Apple is going to put in a new Freescale chip (especially if the dual core is ready, regardless of estimated ship schedules) then I can see that announced.

The problem with the dual core chip 8641D is that it will require a complete motherboard redesign. I don't believe that Apple would do that while they work on the new Intel Powerbook. On the other hand, the 7448 is pin compatible with the existing G4 in the Powerbooks. It is the only obvious option for this autumn.

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There is also the chance for "one more thing", especially if Steve J is giving a keynote speech. Hopefully it will be something that we haven't thought of (like the original iPod) and blow the market away.

23" iMac for $2100 .
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post #48 of 154
8/1/05 at 6:30pm
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Originally posted by fieldor
Less then 2 months now and ibook and mini got a bump/ double ram.

Only left are Powermac, Powerbook and xserve.

970mp and a minor bump for powerbook.

PM's will get an update to a new PowerPC no earlier than January, remember that Jobs said that they still had great (good, acceptable) PowerPC products in the pipeline. This will be the multi-core 970's for the PM's. The PB's will get 7448's, which will require minimal dev time due to it's pin compatability with the current chips. This leavs the way for iMacs and Mac Mini's switching to Intels in the first half of the year which will meet Jobs delivery date of before the next dev conference.
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post #49 of 154
8/1/05 at 8:48pm
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Originally posted by kenaustus
.....then watch out, your credit card will be at risk.

No...!!! I just finally cleared about $4000 worth of debt in one year, with a bit (okay a lot) of help from my parents
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post #50 of 154
8/2/05 at 3:08am
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Originally posted by PB
The problem with the dual core chip 8641D is that it will require a complete motherboard redesign. I don't believe that Apple would do that while they work on the new Intel Powerbook. On the other hand, the 7448 is pin compatible with the existing G4 in the Powerbooks. It is the only obvious option for this autumn.

23" iMac for $2100 .


i'm on 85% chance for 7448 powerbooks at paris
50% chance for 24" iMac

edit:
100% chance the powerbooks will still have ati mobility 9700
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post #51 of 154
8/2/05 at 3:44am
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Originally posted by sunilraman

100% chance the powerbooks will still have ati mobility 9700

If not 100%, certainly 99%. Why change the graphics subsystem for the last update? Even if the 7448 allows for more powerful graphics, I don't see Apple investing in that. Unless there is some graphics update requiring minimal tweaks, like the 7448 over today's G4.
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post #52 of 154
8/2/05 at 3:50am
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Originally posted by PB
If not 100%, certainly 99%. Why change the graphics subsystem for the last update? Even if the 7448 allows for more powerful graphics, I don't see Apple investing in that. Unless there is some graphics update requiring minimal tweaks, like the 7448 over today's G4.

a 7448 processor, ati mobility 9800 128mb vram, and 7200rpm 2.5" drive eg. seagate momentus 7200.1,

would be a killer for the christmas quarter oct-dec 2005. and would hold apple out until april/may 2006 for macintel powerbook...

that's what's in the 1% chance of happening.
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post #53 of 154
8/2/05 at 4:07am
Nonono, 1% is the PBG5!
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post #54 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:01am
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Originally posted by Blackcat
Nonono, .1% is the PBG5!

Fixed the decimal point for you .
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post #55 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:06am
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Originally posted by PB
Fixed the decimal point for you .


Reckon you missed a 0 after it! 8)
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post #56 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:08am
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Originally posted by sunilraman
a 7448 processor, ati mobility 9800 128mb vram, and 7200rpm 2.5" drive eg. seagate momentus 7200.1...

Now you made me remember. I saw the other day a Centrino PC laptop (I think a Sony) with 256 MB dedicated VRAM and a 17" display. The price point was at 2000 euros (for reference, a 17" Powerbook costs here 2730 euros). So, I think that whatever Apple does with the Powerbook, it is necessary to offer such a graphics option for the high end.

And, what's going on with the Apple Store today? Are my eyes playing with me or it is once more down ?
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post #57 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:09am
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Originally posted by Blackcat

Reckon you missed a 0 after it! 8)

Yeah, why not?
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post #58 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:24am
embarrassing rant deleted
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post #59 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:25am
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Originally posted by Blackcat
But seriously, PocketPCs are getting really good, now if they ran a better OS...

cannot believe it.. I have actually started to look at Windows mobile devices and think "that is useful I could do with one of those..."

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post #60 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:31am
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Originally posted by othello
cannot believe it.. I have actually started to look at Windows mobile devices and think "that is useful I could do with one of those..."


i bought a dell axim 1 year ago. i sold it after a week. don't waste your time
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post #61 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:33am
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Originally posted by othello
cannot believe it.. I have actually started to look at Windows mobile devices and think "that is useful I could do with one of those..."


I had an iPaq 4150, it was really nice EXCEPT Pocket Windows 2003 kept crashing!

Pocket Darwin would be lovely.
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post #62 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:37am
applestore UK is down
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post #63 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:39am
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Originally posted by sunilraman

this is FUCKING IT !!! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH

i knew it. i fucking knew it yeahhhh!!!!!!!

Does it happens to you to wonder if you need some more... intimate contact with girls or guys (I don't know your preference)?
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post #64 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:41am
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Originally posted by PB
Does it happens to you to wonder if you need some more... intimate contact with girls or guys (I don't know your preference)?

heh we should probably discuss that on another forum
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post #65 of 154
8/2/05 at 5:48am
ah what the fuck. its just a new mouse.
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post #66 of 154
8/2/05 at 6:16am
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Originally posted by sunilraman
ah what the fuck. its just a new mouse.

And a mighty fock. Ooops, should not say that.
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post #67 of 154
8/2/05 at 6:18am
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Originally posted by PB
And a mighty fock. Ooops, should not say that.

btw apparently they licensed the name somehow... at the bottom of apple web page it says "Mighty Mouse © Viacom International Inc. All Rights Reserved."

heh
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post #68 of 154
8/2/05 at 6:19am
Prediction for Paris:

Might Mouse with Bluetooth.
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post #69 of 154
8/2/05 at 7:24am
I say:

HD Projector, small form like the mac mini.

- Powered by LED's instead of an normal lamp.
- Airport included
- Very portable


Small tablet 7"-10", with no MacOS X running!

- Driven bij widgets !
- Integration with all the iApps
- Airport/wifi to airport express
- No PowerPC processor !
- Syncing home directory

No "normal" apps, everything light weight coded in html and java.
Functions as a remote for your mac and projector.
Very powerful with .Mac

On the road functions as a easy viewing handheld.
(photo's, movies, calendar, etc.)
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post #70 of 154
8/4/05 at 10:26am
i bet we will see iTunes 5.0 with downloadable movies with MAYBE the ipod video..
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post #71 of 154
8/4/05 at 11:53am
So Jobs has been confirmed to keynote at Paris now. He doesn't do too many keynotes anymore unless something new is being introduced.

Now that the iPod Photo has been discontinued, the video iPod is a possibility. The PowerBooks are up for an update, but Jobs wouldn't announce it if it's only a speed bump, and I doubt the new freescale chip is ready yet anyway.
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post #72 of 154
8/4/05 at 1:06pm
He'll probably talk (in French?) about the Intel transition. I doubt any new products will be announced. They didn't save Mighty Mouse (ugh) for a Keynote.

7448's would be great, especially in the 12" Powerbook. Not a whole lot faster, but run much cooler and give longer battery life. Could be mighty tempting.
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post #73 of 154
8/4/05 at 1:16pm
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Originally posted by cubist
He'll probably talk (in French?) about the Intel transition. I doubt any new products will be announced. They didn't save Mighty Mouse (ugh) for a Keynote.

7448's would be great, especially in the 12" Powerbook. Not a whole lot faster, but run much cooler and give longer battery life. Could be mighty tempting.

Yes, maybe not a big announcement at Apple Expo Paris but a lot of "small" one more things: PB updates, iPod Shuffle and mini update, iTunes 5.0, Motorola iTunes phone (should be already launched later this month), applications updates...
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post #74 of 154
8/4/05 at 3:04pm
PowerBook G5 and iTunes 5.0 (Video based on Delicious Collection)

Since the following are true:

-It's been a long time since the PowerBook got a MAJOR upgrade
-It's gonna be a while until there's an Intel PowerBook
-IBM has unvieled a 970FX with a power consumption / heat rating plenty low enough for a thin PowerBook.
-Jobs did say "Still have great new PPC products on the way"

I would not be suprised if Apple released a PowerBook G5 with DDR2 RAM, faster graphics, higher contrast display, iPod like trackpad (or the patented iPod holder) and faster (not neccissarily larger) hard drives. If such a product is "announced" in Paris I wouldn't expect it to ship immediately, but I think there is the possibility of such an anouncement. I could see IBM working overtime to help such a product's development happen quickly. They made a low power 970FX, so I'm sure they want to sell it before it's too late. (when Apple moves it's Power lines to x86 in '07 or '08)
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post #75 of 154
8/4/05 at 3:20pm
i like ive's suggestion of an HD projector. i highly doubt apple would ever do such a thing, but that would be freakin awesome. if they made a sweet, well-made, high-res, cheap projector, that would be so cool. screw 30" display, try 5 feet against your wall. i think that'd be pretty sweet, though chances of such a thing EVER coming to be are almost nil
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post #76 of 154
8/4/05 at 3:31pm
The real problem Apple have now with introducing a G5 powerbook is the Intel processor that will probably replace it (Yonah) is NOT 64 BIT! So its unlikely from a marketing point of view that they can go G5-->Yonah and not look stupid. G4 (7448) --> Yonah looks much better. I think that the only way of doing it is to have a DTR line of laptops (ProBook?) which is continued on after the Intel books are intro'd and eventually gains the 970MP, a kind of "lugable" Powermac G5 if you will.
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post #77 of 154
8/4/05 at 5:03pm
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Originally posted by Thereubster
The real problem Apple have now with introducing a G5 powerbook is the Intel processor that will probably replace it (Yonah) is NOT 64 BIT! So its unlikely from a marketing point of view that they can go G5-->Yonah and not look stupid. G4 (7448) --> Yonah looks much better. I think that the only way of doing it is to have a DTR line of laptops (ProBook?) which is continued on after the Intel books are intro'd and eventually gains the 970MP, a kind of "lugable" Powermac G5 if you will.

Eh, I'm still not convinced Apple will want to use the 32-bit Yonah in it's Power products. Definately in the iBook and Mac Mini, but since Apple's Power products won't be updated until later Intel should hopefully have a 64-bit Pentium M / Yonah derivative ready by the time Apple transitions the power products.

PM G5 (dual 64-bit G5) [now]-> PM G5 (dual dualcore 64-bit G5) [Paris '05] -> PM Pentium M (dual dualcore 64-bit x86 Yonah successor) ['07]

PB G4 (32-bit G4) [now] -> PB G5 (single singlecore* 64-bit G5) [4th Qtr. '05] -> PB Pentium M (single dualcore 64-bit x86 Yonnah successor) ['07]

iBook (32-bit G4) [now] -> ibook Pentium M (32-bit singlecore Yonah) ['06]

Mac mini (32-bit G4) [now] -> Mac mini Pentium M (32-bit singlecore Yonah) ['06]

The X-Serve along with the rest of the Power line will likely wait until '07 to switch to x86 when Intel has a 64-bit dual core x86 ready. I don't see 64-bit G5's going to 32-bit Intel ever (they will eventually go to 64-bit Intel). I also see the PowerBook catching up to the PowerMac with 64 bit architecture before transitioning to Intel.

*very small chance of 970MP (dualcore) in 15" and 17" as even the MP "antares" is low enough power for the PB at half the power consumption of many AMD notebooks.
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post #78 of 154
8/4/05 at 6:49pm
the only problem with this scenario (and it is a good one) is that put the change-over to Intel in the Majority of Apples products off until 2007, since the LOW power dual core 64bit processors are not going to appear until then. I dont see Apple wanting to wait that long. Dont get me wrong, I would personally rather have a G5 powerbook (due to the software I want to use on it) but I am now firmly in the "no G5 powerbook ever" camp. It just seems pointless for it to appear now, the window of oppotunity is gone......
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post #79 of 154
8/4/05 at 6:58pm
I like the projector idea too. It would liberate the Mac/VideoPod from the TV. Low probability, of course, but what the hell.

A PowerBook G5? Come on, be serious. That just doesn't make any sense right now.
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post #80 of 154
8/4/05 at 7:05pm
I like more apple software than hardware. Apple Hardware is cool, but you can create with software.... I guess Apple Expo in Paris will be focus on Apple Software and iPods.

there was the rumor about an Apple Phontoshop, the Apple Photo Pro, Apple Numbers (a spreadsheet), I think apple remote desktop 3.0 will be awsome with intergration of spotlight and, please, get rid of the metalbrush interphase and use the new spotligh GUI or the Apple Server tools GUI.

also, ipods. ipods ipods ipods! all colors and flavors...
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