Originally posted by Bronxite
how would you suggest we go about going after those responsible and at the same time not taking away some "freedoms"
personally I dont consider going into a private or government sactioned form of transportation without being checked freedom. but that's me.
Without going into the same rant as Aurora (who make good stew out of immigration, more right to the police and taxes) here is my take.
Look at the incident in London yesterday. A man is shot by the police because, from their point of view, he was probably involved with the terrorists. He is wearing a large coat that could hide a bomb. When he is challenged by the officers he runs away. The police choose to take no chances and shoot to kill, even after having captured him.
But from his point of view the situation is as following: He leaves his flat. He notice some un-uniformed men following him, He may have noticed their guns. They yell at him and he chooses to run away. There could be all kinds of reasons to try to run away. They range from a paranoid mind, it could be that he feared the the family of his girl friend, who had threatened him, it could be he feared repercussions from criminals he owed money. He might have suspected the men to be police officers and chose to flee because he was an illegal alien, he had fled prison or was wanted for rape. We don´t know. But none of those things are accepted as reasons for the policeforce to do as they did.
If the fact that you live in a block of flats that the police have under surveillance makes you suspicious then we all become suspicious since we have no control over the actions of others (a terrorist might look like me, live near me, use the same internet cafe as me etc.) and any slight-besides-normal actions I might do will put me in danger (live in same block as terrorists AND wear a large coat in the summer, Use the same internet cafe AND running from heavily armed men, looking asian AND wearing a rugsack). The reasons why I am put in focus has become arbitrary and from my point of view I then criminalize myself if I don´t conform completely not only the law but also the "normal view of normality".
That gives the police a hell lot of power and I loose a hell lot of freedom. When the police then asks to see my rugsack in a routine check for terrorists, what then if they find an ounce of hash or a stolen mobile phone? As it is now they have to have reasonable and precise suspicion to look through my things (here they actually have to arrest me before they can search me like that). It curtails all the right from
random searches that we held so dearly just a year ago. In the 80s it would have been the first argument against Soviet, that they broke with the rights as an individual from random searches by the government, you know, assumed innocent and all that jazz. If there was a way to ensure that the "terror police" only looked for bombs or other terror related articles in my rugsack and didn´t´see the block of hash, the "property of University of Copenhagen"-marked Powerbook and the photocopied manual to Marxist revolution in my bag it would be another story. But we know that that isn´t´gonna happen.
So even if its not the argument the product is a society where if you don´t´live up to a predefined view of normality you automatic come under suspicion. Thats not the society I want to live in.