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post #81 of 166
Um, Aegis, time to crawl back into that Euro hole you crawled out of. You proclaim that most Nokias and Sony Ericsssons have mobile capabilities beyond what is available in the US?

Let's see, take the Treo 650, any PocketPC enabled phone, or a Blackberry device and have certainly much more than any Nokia Brick or a Sony dialpad could provide.

Again, with the Treo you can open up word / excel / adobe email attachments, edit them fully, then send them off. Which Sony can do that with again?

Thanks for playing, good-bye...


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Too little, too late.

Most Nokias and Sony Ericssons do it better and in a smaller package. My T610 was all I really needed for sync duties and the P910i I also have is smaller than the Treo and just as useful, plus it was available 9 months earlier and FREE on my phone plan.

It's a real pity the USA isn't as up with Europe on phone technology though as it seems to take Apple ages to implement syncing for models that are out in Europe but aren't in the USA.
post #82 of 166
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Originally posted by mugwump

Again, with the Treo you can open up word / excel / adobe email attachments, edit them fully, then send them off. Which Sony can do that with again?

Any smartphone dating back to the P800. Prototyped in 2001. The R380, of which I had a unit in 1999, could edit Word attachments from email.

Oh, remind me: why can't I use my 3G phone in America when it works in Poland or France?

Which US networks offer video calling?

"Euro hole."

Honestly, save the total inability to hear *anything negative* about America even if true for PO.

You lose, thanks for playing!
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Originally posted by mugwump
Um, Aegis, time to crawl back into that Euro hole you crawled out of.

It sounds like someone has issues. I mean seriously, is the fact that mobile phone networks in the US are behind Europe and Japan a reason to get angry? Just live with it, the US has done a lot of catching up, and I'm sure they'll get there.

All you're doing with your rant is reenforcing the image that "American's are dumb". Traitor.
post #84 of 166
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Originally posted by bigmig
Should, but won't.

If this isn't a formfactor redesign, Apple might still find themselves putting 512MB on the logic board for the new iBook. IIRC the PowerBook 12" logic board is the same with a couple of extra ports soldered on (any way to mod the iBook to add these back on? hehe). So the PowerBook 12" might also get a minor update on the same day as the iBook 12" (although more likely they'll just use up surplus 12" iBook256 motherboards in them) to include whatever the iBook 12" has (512MB on board + 9600 for example).

If it is a new formfactor design (i.e., new motherboard) then maybe Apple have worked out a way to put, shock horror, TWO SODIMM slots on the machine.

The only thing that worries me is the possibility that Apple will release a 12" 4:3 notebook (1024x768) and a 14.1" 16:10 notebook (1280x800). What to get? I like the smaller laptop's form factor, but I also like widescreen (especially with an Elgato Digital Terrestrial receiver and for DVDs). I think I might have to go for the 14" in this case ... argh!
post #85 of 166
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Originally posted by mugwump
Um, Aegis, time to crawl back into that Euro hole you crawled out of. You proclaim that most Nokias and Sony Ericsssons have mobile capabilities beyond what is available in the US?

Let's see, take the Treo 650, any PocketPC enabled phone, or a Blackberry device and have certainly much more than any Nokia Brick or a Sony dialpad could provide.

Again, with the Treo you can open up word / excel / adobe email attachments, edit them fully, then send them off. Which Sony can do that with again?

Thanks for playing, good-bye...

My housemate had a Sony-Ericsson P800 two years ago which could do all of that. She's from Slovenia which isn't your average Western European country either. When was the Treo 650 released again? The P910 was released a year ago even, so I wonder what they will release this year! The only thing the Treo has going for it is the 320x320 64k display compared to the 208x320 256k display of the P910, then again it's meant to be a phone.

When I worked at BT we had R380s which were bloody neat things, monochrome display yes, but that was in 2000. Early version of SymbianOS IIRC, or a last gasp version of EPOC at worst.
post #86 of 166
Good lord, baby rabbits are so soft, aren't they?
post #87 of 166
No computer manufacuer ever ships with enough memory to truly run things effectivly. Why???

Becuase for the $80=$100AUD that RAM costs, they can save money and undercut or at least be competitve with other manufacturers. Most consumers wouldnt know what PC3200 was if it came up and punched them in the nose. Dont even try and explain the difference between Pc-133, PC3200 and that little flash stick in their digital cameras.

In short, in order to remain competitive, companies chose to eliminate costs in the area that the least people know about. The bloody RAM. Anyone that deserves the speed boost yu get from another stick, will go out and buy it themselves with the saved money.

Just my $0.02AUD.

EDIT: JUst on the whole PDA/smarthphone's versus high end phones thing: The smartphone has a touch screen. Anything with a touchscreen, PDA functions and multimedia stuff is a smartphone. So all these things that ppl are calling up against the Treo 650, are really the same thing with a different OS and form factor. They are the same category, not different.

And it is true that baby rabbits are sooooooooooooooooooo soft.
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post #88 of 166
The US is a big country. We lag because of the sheer size of the coverage.

That and shitty telco laws.

A small(er) country with brand new infrastructure can leap over the POTS and go headlong into 3g.

my .02
post #89 of 166
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Originally posted by TednDi
The US is a big country. We lag because of the sheer size of the coverage.

That and shitty telco laws.

A small(er) country with brand new infrastructure can leap over the POTS and go headlong into 3g.

my .02

Valid for many African and Asian countries, but Europe is a big 'country' made up of lots of 'states' with naff telco regulation and existing infrastructure as well.

Anyway, back to new iBooks and Mac Minis eh?
post #90 of 166
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Originally posted by mugwump
Um, Aegis, time to crawl back into that Euro hole you crawled out of.

And in how many cities in beautiful Illinois can you pay your
parking meter or bus/train ticket with your cell phone?
post #91 of 166
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Originally posted by markoh
And in how many cities in beautiful Illinois can you pay your
parking meter or bus/train ticket with your cell phone?

Or even better, my favorite: Rent free standing bikes on a hourly basis: http://www.echoworld.com/B02/B0209/B0209Gnto2.htm
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post #92 of 166
I'll avoid torching the above posts, thereby saving this thread. Looking forward to the new Apple hardware announcements tomorrow!

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Good lord, baby rabbits are so soft, aren't they?

Wow, 2572 posts of wonderful insight. What would this place be without it?
post #93 of 166
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Originally posted by mugwump
I'll avoid torching the above posts, thereby saving this thread. Looking forward to the new Apple hardware announcements tomorrow!

Wow, 2572 posts of wonderful insight. What would this place be without it?

Are baby rabbits soft or not?

They are. They're soft.
post #94 of 166
The US will be behind in telecom until they find a way to ditch the monopolist lock-in mindset. Locked cellphones, phooey. The whole thing came from the stupid, stupid deal for 'universal service' that gave rise to the 'natural monopoly' concept, which was a deal with the devil. I think Europeans still pay more per mile-minute, but their technology and business arrangements are unquestionably superior. I have a Treo and it's nice, but the niceness comes from the Palm-part, not the phone-part.

(ahem) Now that ThinkSecret has released the fact that there are two iBooks and three Minis, shall we speculate as to what they are?

My guesses:

iBook: 12" 1.33GHz, 14" 1.5GHz, 7447's, same aspect ratio as present, same resolution. Superdrive becomes BTO. If there is an aspect ratio change, it will be 14" going to widescreen, WXGA, not WUXGA. If they are 7448's I will be very tempted by that cool-running, widescreen, big hard drive 14"...

Mini: 7448's at 1.33GHz, 1.5GHz, 1.67GHz. RAM slot moved to back, 3.5" HD. Biggest improvement is change to desktop hard drive. Same plastics will be used for Intel version.
post #95 of 166
According to Think Secret:
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Additional sources have confirmed that the Mac mini will be updated early next week alongside the iBook. The new high-end Mac mini configuration, for $699, is said to feature AirPort Extreme, BlueTooth, and SuperDrive standard. The mid-range model is expected to come standard with AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth, but it's unclear if the low-end model will too.

And if you consider that the SuperDrive option is $100, the AirPort/BlueTooth option is $99, it's is reasonable to think that the 3 configurations may only be for accessories, the techs specs maybe the same, for example:

7447 CPU @ 1.5GHz, 167MHz FSB, 512MB RAM, HD60@5400, ATI9600/64MB
with ComboDrive: $499
with ComboDrive and Aiport/BlueTooth: $599
with SuperDrive and Aiport/BlueTooth: $699

For the iBooks:
13.3" widescreen, new form factor (an hybrid between the PB 12" and the iBook 14"), 7447CPU@1.42/1.5GHz, 167MHz FSB, 512MB RAM, HD@5400, ATImobility9600/64MB.
1.42Ghz HD40 Combo $999
1.50Ghz HD80 Superdrive $1299

and new prices for the PowerBook series!!!
post #96 of 166
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Originally posted by cubist
iBook: 12" 1.33GHz, 14" 1.5GHz, 7447's, same aspect ratio as present, same resolution. Superdrive becomes BTO. If there is an aspect ratio change, it will be 14" going to widescreen, WXGA, not WUXGA. If they are 7448's I will be very tempted by that cool-running, widescreen, big hard drive 14"...

Mini: 7448's at 1.33GHz, 1.5GHz, 1.67GHz. RAM slot moved to back, 3.5" HD. Biggest improvement is change to desktop hard drive. Same plastics will be used for Intel version.

I roughly agree with the iBook speculation, but how will they fit a 1" high 3.5" hard drive into a Mac Mini, along with the 3/4" superdrive, another 3/4" for PCB and spacing, and 1/2" for casing, structure, etc? I make that 3", not 2"!

Now maybe Apple has sourced half-lowprofile-height 3.5" hard drives, i.e. 0.5" high. Maybe with a 0.5" superdrive and some squeezing and grinding they could do it.
post #97 of 166
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Originally posted by cubist
Mini: ...Biggest improvement is change to desktop hard drive...

It would have to be in a bigger enclosure then, something I think unlikely.
post #98 of 166
If new mac mini's come out and are a tad better than the current range (better graphics) then I'll get the top CPU modle and add a better HD myself (unless they also start using the 7800 Hitachis).
I hope they also drop LCD prices.


Dobby.
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Originally posted by dobby
If new mac mini's come out and are a tad better than the current range (better graphics) then I'll get the top CPU modle and add a better HD myself (unless they also start using the 7800 Hitachis).
I hope they also drop LCD prices.


Dobby.

I'll second that. The mini is nearly ideal for me and a bump in specs (especially graphics) would eliminate any excuses I have left...
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post #100 of 166
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Baby rabbits are so soft

And tender. Don't forget tender.
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post #101 of 166
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Originally posted by iDave
It would have to be in a bigger enclosure then, something I think unlikely.

Not much bigger, about an inch. That's not a big 'sacrifice' for quite a bit performance gain + cheaper price.
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post #102 of 166
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Not much bigger, about an inch. That's not a big 'sacrifice' for quite a bit performance gain + cheaper price.

Um... you really don't understand Apple do you?
post #103 of 166
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Originally posted by vinney57
Um... you really don't understand Apple do you?

please share apple's intelligence and sense on this issue because I would love to hear it.
post #104 of 166
Blimey mugwump.

We do have Treos, Blackberrys and PocketPC (and Windows Mobile) devices in Europe too as well you know and too many WindowsMobile devices even such as all the rebadged HTC devices Orange, Vodaphone and T-Mobile ship that Apple don't support, which is what I was complaining about.

We often get phones here way ahead of the USA or phones that support particular European technology that you don't have, for whatever reason, and it takes Apple some time to support if ever. They never did fully support my Nokia 6310i or my 7110. OSX 10.4.2 finally seems to have brought almost flawless Symbian Series 60 and UIQ support. Panther was a bit patchy. Motorola Bluetooth support still sucks. The only phone that never caused me any grief at all was the T610 - it was perfect.

I've owned a Palm PDA since the Palm Vx. Sadly they've not really changed at all and haven't managed to upgrade the OS to match WindowsMobile in features.

The Treo650 is bulky and not a good phone IMHO. I did a side by side comparison over the space of a month with a 910i and a Treo600 at the time and the 910i is simply a better phone and the included apps good enough that I couldn't care a rats ass about Palm compatibility. I was moving from a Palm Tungsten PDA and SE T610 at the time so I really wanted to give the Treo the win but the SE910i was smaller, faster, less buggy, supported bluetooth and just worked better as a phone. It also supported email better than the Treo and I preferred the ssh tools on the p910i. If I was being honest, I'd even say the Orange C500 WindowsMobile phone is arguably better too though the prospect of Windows on a phone just makes me cringe.

I'll stand by my statement that we get the tech first - My first data enabled phone was an Ericsson GS18 in 1997 and I was using that attached to a Psion 3a, Cambridge Z88 and finally a Palm Vx back then with word documents so getting all excited about your Treo doing it almost a decade later meets with an almighty 'So?' from this side of the pond. I've not had an analogue phone since 1994. It's just so much easier to do things like 3G when you live on a small island with almost 70 million people crammed on it.

So if Apple were to stick some crummy Motorola phone hardware in a laptop it'd have to be suitable for Europe. If it's just ok for the US then it's already obsolete. The Moto phones are always behind the curve here in Europe.
post #105 of 166
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Originally posted by Bronxite
please share apple's intelligence and sense on this issue because I would love to hear it.

Please allow me. Apple cripples certain hardware so if you want something better you have to pay more money. Putting mobile hard drives in the mini, Apple knows certain people will want Power Macs or iMacs instead. Call it up-sales or whatever; that's what they've always done. Another example would be crippling monitor spanning in the iBook so you have to buy a PowerBook if you want that.
post #106 of 166
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Originally posted by iDave
Please allow me. Apple cripples certain hardware so if you want something better you have to pay more money. Putting mobile hard drives in the mini, Apple knows certain people will want Power Macs or iMacs instead. Call it up-sales or whatever; that's what they've always done. Another example would be crippling monitor spanning in the iBook so you have to buy a PowerBook if you want that.

no.

the issue here is none of that, you might like to think that but it's wrong.

the issue is Jobs' desire to make things complex and aesthetic over business sense and simplicity.

switching to a standard 3.5 inch desktop hard drive would result in 4 main things
1. Faster
2. Larger capacity
3. Cheaper
4. Larger case

Apple...cough Jobs cough.... of course chooses that 1 beats 3. Makes sense of course...oh wait...no it doesn't. Switching to a desktop hard drive would make the mac mini have larger margins and be more appealing to consumers. The only negative is it would impact slightly its small design. And for whatever reason, Jobs refuses to do that. It's been that way many times.

The Cube had the same exact limitations set on it.

Well, here's reality for you and Jobs, portable hard drives are not progressing to keep up with desktop demands. So eventually the mac mini will either die or change to a 3.5 inch hard drive. It may as well happen now.
post #107 of 166
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Originally posted by mjteix
[B],,,,,,For the iBooks:
13.3" widescreen, new form factor (an hybrid between the PB 12" and the iBook 14"), 7447CPU@1.42/1.5GHz, 167MHz FSB, 512MB RAM, HD@5400, ATImobility9600/64MB.
1.42Ghz HD40 Combo $999

:thumbs: dude as long as that's 1280x720 or so, i am all over that. that would be bloody bloody perfect. i got a 512mb pc2700 sodimm WAITING to bring it to 1gb, that with the 5400rpm drive, 40gb (probably 60gb maybe??) would be awesome.

jesus christ. we all need to get a life. apple please please put us out of our misery in 12 hours time. PLEASE! we're going crazy talkin about bunny rabbits and hsit.
post #108 of 166
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Originally posted by Bronxite
no.

the issue here is none of that, you might like to think that but it's wrong.

I guess we'll just have to disagree then. IMO it's all about making you buy the more expensive models. The mini is designed to be cute, to attract first time buyers. Others will want more.
post #109 of 166
I think it's unusual that ThinkSecret doesn't have the specs, yet they are supposedly coming TOMORROW. It would seem to me that whatever is coming is supersecret under wraps, which suggests widescreens, new form factors, and the like.
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I think it's unusual that ThinkSecret doesn't have the specs, yet they are supposedly coming TOMORROW. It would seem to me that whatever is coming is supersecret under wraps, which suggests widescreens, new form factors, and the like.

either that or everybody's too scared to leak anything lest they be made an example of like the last person - forced to sit in a glass cage in the lobby with no toilet and just a unprotected windows 95 machine running at 800x600res and a 33.6k modem to do all their work.

the blood-curdling screams of "please kill me already...!" which echoed through the hallowed corridors of 1 infinite loop continues to serve as a timely reminder to all that are tempted by the guiles of dePlume and his devious ilk.

1984? 2005 at Apple. How ironic
post #111 of 166
let me state for the record: FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE.

Engadget reports on 'accidental' apple website image
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1. no way in hell apple is going to use a subaru world rally picture.
2. how can the title say see everything in widescreen when the 12" looks 4:3?
3. the lower 500million songs sold panel is so lamely done. this is a better example of how it could be done IMHO :
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post #112 of 166
I have a sneaking suspicion that the update, if it is coming this week, will be on Wednesday, and not Tuesday as originally thought.

There's one indicator if new hardware is coming and that's when the Order Status site becomes temporarily unavailable the evening prior to a morning update. Now they have redone and revamped that site a little bit, so they may have rectified whatever problem was causing them to take it offline before product updates. Be that as it may, I use that as my final guage of whether or not something is indeed coming, and right now with it still online my inclination is no.
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post #113 of 166
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Originally posted by iDave
I guess we'll just have to disagree then. IMO it's all about making you buy the more expensive models. The mini is designed to be cute, to attract first time buyers. Others will want more.

Yeah, true...both of you...

The problem is here that there is no in-between headless mac between the mini and the PM...c'mon Apple...I want a headless iMac...
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post #114 of 166
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Originally posted by iDave
I guess we'll just have to disagree then. IMO it's all about making you buy the more expensive models. The mini is designed to be cute, to attract first time buyers. Others will want more.

if it was because of what you though Apple would simply include 40 and 80GB 3.5 inch hard drives and save a lot of money per unit.

clearly it is not because of that reason
post #115 of 166
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
I have a sneaking suspicion that the update, if it is coming this week, will be on Wednesday, and not Tuesday as originally thought.

There's one indicator if new hardware is coming and that's when the Order Status site becomes temporarily unavailable the evening prior to a morning update. Now they have redone and revamped that site a little bit, so they may have rectified whatever problem was causing them to take it offline before product updates. Be that as it may, I use that as my final guage of whether or not something is indeed coming, and right now with it still online my inclination is no.

the order status page was down tonight
post #116 of 166
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Originally posted by vinney57
Um... you really don't understand Apple do you?

I usually don't understand half-assed, stupid decisions. Apple, (un)fortunately, is no exception.
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post #117 of 166
Look Aging, again, let me reiterate that I'm not going to stink up an entire mac future hardware thread over mobile phone assertions, even though you insist on laying fallacy on top of untruths, over pompous and outdated beliefs.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/3963.html

Let's just say that four years ago when Europe was testing the waters with rudimentary Symbian smartphones, (5 lines of monochrome text) I was logging in and administering remote servers, publishing web pages, and fully html web browsing with the initial Treo communicator. Anyone in the US would take a "crackberry" over remote car meter parking in a heartbeat, and as you stated, the mobile Windows market is unfortunately gobbling up marketshare.

Oh yeah, and the above devices do find their way over to Europe as well, only a half-year later.



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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Blimey mugwump.

We often get phones here way ahead of the USA or phones that support particular European technology that you don't have, for whatever reason, and it takes Apple some time to support if ever.
post #118 of 166
yeah i think the mobile phone discussion is starting to stray way off topic and appears to have got a bit sour let us go back to NEW IBOOKS YEAHHHHHHH
post #119 of 166
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Originally posted by mugwump
Look Aging, again, let me reiterate that I'm not going to stink up an entire mac future hardware thread over mobile phone assertions, even though you insist on laying fallacy on top of untruths, over pompous and outdated beliefs.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/3963.html

Let's just say that four years ago when Europe was testing the waters with rudimentary Symbian smartphones, (5 lines of monochrome text) I was logging in and administering remote servers, publishing web pages, and fully html web browsing with the initial Treo communicator. Anyone in the US would take a "crackberry" over remote car meter parking in a heartbeat, and as you stated, the mobile Windows market is unfortunately gobbling up marketshare.

Oh yeah, and the above devices do find their way over to Europe as well, only a half-year later.

The Ericsson GS18 phone I mentioned was released in 1996, some 6 years before your Treo which was released in 2002 (Ie. 3 years ago, not 4). It was AFAIK, the first data capable phone on the market. Ericsson didn't even make it themselves - they bought the company that did. It was cable only, huge with a built in 9600baud fax modem and a power supply that used to overheat when charging.

I paired it up with a Z88, released in 1987 and a Psion 3a from 1993. I bought it specifically to do remote server work, email and html in 1997. Or I could have bought a Nokia 9000 Communicator in 1996 too. Or Ericssons MC218 a bit later based on the Psion 5.

4 years ago I'd moved on to using a Nokia 7110 and a Palm Vx still doing what you said you were doing on your yet to be released Treo.

I'm not being pompous - anything but - but you're quite wrong if you think the Treo was cutting edge or ahead of it's time. I'm sure you've just got your dates a bit fuzzy.


But it just shows that if Apple were to include ANY phone technology, as suggested way back earlier in the post that I was originally responding to, it'd be very quickly out of date. In Europe we'd want 3G now and probably WiMax in 6 months to a year. In the US there's so many competing technologies that including anything would be pointless. The stack of phones and organizers I've got with different technologies dating back as far as the mid 80s just goes to prove the point I was making that building it into the computer is a waste.

I can change my phone every year for absolutely nothing to pick up the latest technology. I can't do the same with a laptop, nor would I want to.

It's the same as the endless cries for Sirius or XM Sat radio or even FM in the iPod. In Europe we've free digital terrestrial broadcasting of both TV and radio and the analogue signals are being turned off shortly. In much of Asia they're even further ahead. What are Apple going to do - release country specific models?
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mmmm i like soft baby kittens...
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