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Apple today enhanced its iBook G4 line for consumers and education customers with faster Power PC G4 processors running up to 1.42 GHz, 512MB memory across the line, higher performance graphics and built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth wireless connectivity.

The new iBooks feature two patent-pending Apple technologies made popular in the PowerBook G4 line, the scrolling TrackPad and the Sudden Motion Sensor, with prices starting at an affordable $999.

"The new iBook is the perfect portable for the go anywhere, do anything digital lifestyle of consumers and students," said David Moody, Apple's vice president of Mac Product Marketing. "With improved performance, double the memory, and new mobility features like the scrolling TrackPad, Sudden Motion Sensor and Bluetooth, the new iBooks are an amazing value."

Encased in a sleek, durable polycarbonate plastic enclosure, the new 12- and 14-inch iBooks offer improved performance with either a 1.33 GHz or 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 processor and provide up to six hours of battery life for all-day use on the road or in the classroom.

Each iBook features the ATI Mobility Radeon 9550 with 32MB of dedicated video memory for improved graphics and either a slot-load SuperDrive(TM), for burning DVDs and CDs, or a slot-load Combo drive for watching DVDs and burning CDs. Every iBook also includes a scrolling TrackPad to easily scroll through long web pages or pan across large photographs and Apple's Sudden Motion Sensor technology to help protect a spinning hard drive if the notebook is accidentally dropped.

Apple is the first computer maker to include both 802.11g and Bluetooth 2.0 wireless technologies across its entire line of notebook products. Every iBook now features built-in Bluetooth 2.0 and integrated AirPort Extreme 54 Mbps 802.11g WiFi wireless networking. Bluetooth 2.0+EDR delivers up to three times greater data rates for faster wireless connectivity to a range of peripherals and is also compatible with Bluetooth 1.2 devices such as the Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse. The new iBooks also include built-in 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet for high-speed networking, two USB 2.0 ports and one FireWire 400 port for easy plug-and-play connections to popular peripherals such as Apple's iPod digital music player, digital video camcorders, digital still cameras and printers.

Each iBook includes iLife '05, Apple's suite of digital lifestyle applications featuring iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand and iTunes. Mac OS X version 10.4 "Tiger," the fifth major release of the world's most advanced operating system, also comes with every iBook.

Pricing & Availability

The new iBook lineup is immediately available through The Apple Store, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers in two standard configurations:

The 1.33 GHz PowerPC G4 iBook, weighing just 4.9 pounds, has a suggested retail price of $999 (US) and includes:

a 12.1-inch (diagonal) active-matrix TFT display;512MB DDR SDRAM expandable to up to 1.5GB maximum memory;a 40GB Ultra ATA hard drive;AirPort Extreme 54 Mbps 802.11g WiFi wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR;two USB 2.0 ports, FireWire 400;VGA video out, S-video and composite video out support;56K v.92 modem, Ethernet (10/100 BASE-T); anda slot-load Combo (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) drive.

The 1.42 GHz PowerPC G4 iBook, weighing just 5.9 pounds, has a suggested retail price of $1,299 (US) and includes:

a 14.1-inch (diagonal) active-matrix TFT display;512MB DDR SDRAM expandable to up to 1.5GB maximum memory;a 60GB Ultra ATA hard drive;AirPort Extreme 54 Mbps 802.11g WiFi wireless networking and Bluetooth 2.0+EDR;two USB 2.0 ports, FireWire 400;VGA video out, S-video and composite video out support;56K v.92 modem, Ethernet (10/100 BASE-T); anda slot-load SuperDrive (DVD+/-R/CD-RW) drive.

Additional build-to-order options for the new iBook include up to 1.5GB of DDR SDRAM, a 60GB, 80GB or 100GB Ultra ATA/100 hard drive and the AppleCare Protection Plan.
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Are these what Jobs calls "great new products"? I'm not that impressed... though the (free?) addition of AirPort and Bluetooth is nice. The US Apple Store still hasn't updated yet, so it's easy to compare old specs with new.
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Originally posted by Gamrin
Are these what Jobs calls "great new products"? I'm not that impressed... though the (free?) addition of AirPort and Bluetooth is nice. The US Apple Store still hasn't updated yet, so it's easy to compare old specs with new.

The low-end model isn't much to sneeze at, but if you look at the 14" model, they packed a lot in and dropped the price. I work in the IT dept. at a college and we just bought 5 of the previous model 14" superdrive for a few hundred bucks more *each*. I think we paid 1499 a piece.

ouch.
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Originally posted by Gamrin
Are these what Jobs calls "great new products"?

no

but why fix what isn't broke.
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Good systems for the most part (for the price), but I would really have liked the graphics resolution to have gone up. They're still 1024x768.
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Originally posted by Gamrin
Are these what Jobs calls "great new products"? I'm not that impressed... though the (free?) addition of AirPort and Bluetooth is nice.

See them more as revisions, rather than great new products. The great new products tend to come out at developer conferences or Apple Expos. This announcement is happening at neither, so it is hardly surprising nothing spectacular got announced.
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Same old same old. At least there's Bluetooth and decent RAM.
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I know Apple has issues with cpu suppliers, but why can't they add Core Image capable graphics cards? I think this is inexcusable.

Anyway, off to the Apple store to buy a laptop for my daughter for her college career.
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post #9 of 166
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Originally posted by rickag
I know Apple has issues with cpu suppliers, but why can't they add Core Image capable graphics cards? I think this is inexcusable.

I agree completely, what are they thinking???
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post #10 of 166
Well, of course this is just a revision, but I was hoping for something more... uh, more. That's all. There are hardly any real improvements here. The lack of a better graphics card is the real kicker.
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overall, i think apple has managed to squeeze a bit more value into the iBooks, good.

great powerpc products? no.

are they bringing out the big guns with Macintel? probably.

is the 14" tempting for me? no.
is the 12" tempting for me? quite certainly, yes. i also have a 512mb piece ready to drop into it. assuming screen spanning hack works, i'll get a nice lcd for workstation mode.

otherwise, iMac g5 for me, or i take over my dad's 14" iBook and get him a mac mini and some peripherals. mac mini is looking like the more affordable option
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Still haven't solved my main gripe: Why can't I have the faster processor in the 12" version (and a Superdrive for that matter). I don't want a 14" screen at 1024x768...
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Originally posted by red_kola
Still haven't solved my main gripe: Why can't I have the faster processor in the 12" version (and a Superdrive for that matter). I don't want a 14" screen at 1024x768...

because that's what a powerbook is (faster processor and superdrive in 12")

yeah, fuck the 1024x768 14". that is sooooo last year
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Originally posted by rickag
I know Apple has issues with cpu suppliers, but why can't they add Core Image capable graphics cards? I think this is inexcusable.

Anyway, off to the Apple store to buy a laptop for my daughter for her college career.

i, too, concur. only because the three things that can make a computer seem fast or slow over time are ram, video card, and processor, in that order. lots of ram can make up for a slower processor (especially if you can allot ram to specific applications, like photoshop), and the video card can pump more pixels to the screen faster, making up for background processing delays when need be. at least, that's been my experience.

oh well, still loads better than my wife's pismo, and almost half the price of it when it was new. if you're getting an ibook, you may as well get it now, because i think these will be the last models before the intel transition (and i think the laptops will get them first, to give them the biggest goose in sales). and i am not a pioneer when it comes to purchasing hardware -- let someone else take the arrows of i(ntel)Book v. 1.0.
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post #15 of 166
What a joke.

Apparently Apple knows exactly how loyal we are to the OS.

I think this is a pretty fair barometer of the kind of update we will see with the Powerbooks in September or October.

They are gonna outright limp to Intel with the portables. The Year Of The iBook!
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Originally posted by rok
....let someone else take the arrows of i(ntel)Book v. 1.0.

well, what a first half of the decade huh? when the i in i-everything stood for 'internet' or 'intelligent' or whatever.

now the i in i-Book will stand for Intel. soon, the i in i-Mac will stand for Intel
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Originally posted by sunilraman


yeah, fuck the 1024x768 14". that is sooooo last year

Last year? More like sooooo two years ago!
I'm thoroughly disappointed. Looks like it's PB huntin' for me now.
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Originally posted by 12houripod
no

but why fix what isn't broke.

Great. Except the iBook IS broke, so hopefully they have fixed it. How many people have been stuck with this current crop of iBooks with bad video problems? Enough, apparently, to cause Apple to have a program to repair them for free (hell, Apple hasn't even done this for the iMac G5s, which have a horrible history of capacitor issues and machines going 'poof!'). And they've had to extend it at least once, to a different batch of iBooks. Me, mine just went 'poof' over the weekend (it was acting a little wacky, but I was hoping to get a couple more weeks out of it). And this is the second time it'll be going back.

Yeah, I don't think I'll be buying another iBook anytime soon.
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What happened to the widescreen rumours?
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At least the 14"'s bus is slightly faster (142MHz) and both now include 512MB of DDR333/PC3200 RAM (compared to 256MB DDR266/PC2100). Still no ouble-layer superdrive like the eMac and iMac's have.
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Still no ouble-layer superdrive like the eMac and iMac's have.

1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache @1.42GHz
512MB memory (DDR333 SDRAM)
14.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
ATI Mobility Radeon 9550
32MB DDR video memory
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Scrolling Trackpad
Sudden Motion Sensor

http://www.apple.com/ibook/
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why do the video cards still have 32 MB of memory?????

HELLO Tiger wants 64Mb standard for core video!!

i just got a video card for my PC, and although it is an outdated chipset (9600XT, although much better than anything apple puts in their computers) they at least had upgraded RAM so I now have a 256MB video card that originally had 128MB when it first came out.

but Apple is reducing the memory on the graphics cards!! The 9550 had 64Mb when it came out if I remember correctly.


Apple wonders why nobody plays games on their computers, maybe if they at least gave consumers the option of getting a faster video card, never mind the ability to switch out a better one. it's real neat how on the imacs you can change any parts you want EXCEPT for the video card.

although at least the imacs include a semi decent video card.

with macs, unless you get an upgraded power mac for $2000, you get a 4 year old graphics card with your computer that can't even handle the standard features of tiger.

don't get me wrong, I've been waiting for years for a mac with a decent video card. and for a mac with games. but maybe we'll get all that when the intel macs come out. then people may actually make games for the mac.
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache @1.42GHz
512MB memory (DDR333 SDRAM)
14.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
ATI Mobility Radeon 9550
32MB DDR video memory
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (
DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Scrolling Trackpad
Sudden Motion Sensor

http://www.apple.com/ibook/

that's not dual layer!! that's being able to write to DVD+R and DVD-Rs. dual layer DVDs would say DVD+R DL
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DVD+-RW is NOT double layer.
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Damn them, got my lingo mixed up.
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache @1.42GHz
512MB memory (DDR333 SDRAM)
14.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
ATI Mobility Radeon 9550
32MB DDR video memory
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (
DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Scrolling Trackpad
Sudden Motion Sensor

http://www.apple.com/ibook/

Nice. But thats just DVD/RW. No mention of Dual layer capabilities (you know, for 8GB max, rather than 4 on the single layer, none of which has anything to do with +/- or R/RW).
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Nice. But thats just DVD/RW. No mention of Dual layer capabilities (you know, for 8GB max, rather than 4 on the single layer, none of which has anything to do with +/- or R/RW).

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been pointed out to me.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been pointed out to me.

Well, if I wasn't such a slow typer, my nasty response would've come out first. Now I look like a freakin' "yeah, see, I'm blind, I can't see that someone else told you were wrong, so I'm going to point it out too!".

Maybe I should just stop posting on AI and get back to work.
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Originally posted by sunilraman
because that's what a powerbook is (faster processor and superdrive in 12")

yeah, fuck the 1024x768 14". that is sooooo last year

Because everything will be too small using a higher resolution. We buy 14" iBooks for our users since everything is too small on a 12" screen.

Expect the resolution to get higher when the resolution independence feature is completed in Mac OS X.
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post #30 of 166
I think the biggest thing we can take from this update is that an update to the Powerbook MUST be approaching.

Now that the iBook has Bluetooth 2.0, SMS, Airport, Scrolling Trackpad, 512mb RAM (built in), upgraded cpu, there's are even fewer differences between the two, especially when comparing the 12in base models. As far as I can see, the Powerbook has a slightly better cpu, 50% more HD space, mini dvi, and a few other options (monitor spanning) plus, i guess, the form factor, but is that really worth an extra $500 ($999 vs. $1499)?

I was looking to update my Rev. B Powerbook, but i'll think i'll hold out on this for a while...

Edit: Different video card too, maybe it's is differentiated enough. I'm not convinced though, what do you guys think? If this update is seen as poor, then what is considered of the Powerbooks right now?
post #31 of 166
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Originally posted by rickag
why can't they add Core Image capable graphics cards? I think this is inexcusable.

Radeon 9550 is a low cost down-cut version of the 9600, with programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware.

But the 64bit memory bus and only 32MB RAM is prohibitiv
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I think the biggest thing we can take from this update is that an update to the Powerbook MUST be approaching.

Sorry, Apple just updated the Powerbooks. It would be so against character for them to update them within 6 months, let alone before the end of the year.
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Originally posted by Louzer
Sorry, Apple just updated the Powerbooks. It would be so against character for them to update them within 6 months, let alone before the end of the year.

Well I hope this Apple policy changes as soon as they start using Intel chips. If they don't upgrade on a faster pace, they will be left standing in the dust in the wacky world of Intel/AMD competion.
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post #34 of 166
i had an iBook in my cart and waited for this announcement in case it had a better screen and GPU but it doesn't. And only VGA out? pooo.

Yes, its a better deal today than yesterday with some of the options built in but no way in hades am I going to buy an iBook with 1024x768 resolution. Yuck. Time to move along. I'll have to look at the next revision.
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Man I'm tired of waiting for decent Mac hardware.

HP NX6125 $994

Processor: AMD Turion 64 ML28 Processor (1.60GHz)
L2 Cache: 512KB

Integrated Wireless: Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN, Bluetooth
Security: Biometric Fingerprint Reader

Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2

Display: 15" TFT XGA with 1024 x 768 resolution (up to 16M colors internal)

Memory: 512MB 333MHz DDR SDRAM (512MB SODIMM in slot 1), expandable to 2048MB
Hard Drive: 40GB (5400 rpm)

Optical Drive: DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo
Networking: Integrated NetXtreme Ethernet Controller (10/100/1000 NIC)
Modem: 56K fax/modem
Graphics: ATI Mobility Radeon X300
Video Memory: up to 128MB shared

Expansion Card Slots: ExpressCard/54 slot

Ports: 3 USB 2.0, VGA, IEEE1394, external microphone, headphone/line out, power connector, RJ-11 (modem), RJ-45 (NIC), S-video TV out, travel battery connector
Audio: Conexant AC '97 CODEC, Line out/headphone and microphone jacks, integrated 16-bit Sound Blaster Pro-compatible audio, integrated stereo speakers
Security Features: Integrated HP Biometric Fingerprint Sensor; HP ProtectTools Security Manager


Apple better get it's ass in gear. This last transition is it. If price per performance doesn't improve then that's it. Looking at Apple's specs it's understandable why they have 320 million in profits.
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post #36 of 166
I think it's quite funny really - after reading the previous speculation on this site.

There's nothing you can do, iBooks sell well - and are increasing Apples market share as we speak. There is no need for Apple to try hard to please the small fraction of users (of iBooks) that want good specs in a consumer model.

Sure they can make it better and better value to tempt some more users across.

They'll try to rope us into the high-end with later releases of PBs - which are gonna cost ya!

It's just the Apple no competition (high % profit) thang.


Anybody here gonna upgrade their G4 iBooks to the latest model?
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Louzer, I guess you're right. I guess the alternative question is how much will this cannibalize Powerbook sales? I know there are a few that will still need the Powerbook's advanced features, but for ther majority that bought them for the newer tech, there is no longer that differentiation.
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The last update before mac intels. Just 9 months to go before next update.
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post #39 of 166
i think some of us should fill out the feedback for the ibook and let Apple know what we think:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/powermac.html

(use the drop down for the 'what type of computer do you own' and select ibook g4)
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Anybody here gonna upgrade their G4 iBooks to the latest model?

A better question ... Of all the people complaining about the upgrades that Apple did to the iBook and Mac Mini, how many were even planning to purchase one?
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