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post #121 of 166
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Originally posted by PB
Correct, but it does not change the fact that the iBook in Europe is around 50 euros more expensive than before.

And the dollar is stronger now than it was when the previous iBooks were launched.
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post #122 of 166
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And the dollar is stronger now than it was when the previous iBooks were launched.

I don't care and I will tell you why. Every time that the currency balance changes in favor of the dollar, Apple is in a hurry to adjust the prices. If the change favors the euro, they leave the prices for much longer unchanged just to better milk the european market.

So I don't care if the dollar is stronger now.
post #123 of 166
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Originally posted by PB
I don't care and I will tell you why. Every time that the currency balance changes in favor of the dollar, Apple is in a hurry to adjust the prices. If the change favors the euro, they leave the prices for much longer unchanged just to better milk the european market.

Apple adjusts the prices when they release new models. It has been that way for years.

Only once in the last couple of years have they adjusted prices on existing models, as far as I remeber, and it was in our favor as Europeans.
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post #124 of 166
still have my g3 700mhz, and my applecare. when that runs out by april, i'll be looking for a new ibook. either via applecare or when this g3 goes. which ever comes first! the next major repair applecare promised to replace. but this last repair has been awhile and i do not anticapate this going anytime soon.
post #125 of 166
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Originally posted by Relic
Hmmm, anybody want to try this upgrade?

I'd love to get a 7448 notebook. From what I understand, it will run a lot cooler at the same clock speed. It will run all my current software for years to come without the need to upgrade to avoid the Intel performance hit.
post #126 of 166
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Originally posted by iDave
I'd love to get a 7448 notebook. From what I understand, it will run a lot cooler at the same clock speed. It will run all my current software for years to come without the need to upgrade to avoid the Intel performance hit.

What makes you think there will be a performance hit? Even if Apple doesnt use the new dual core mobile chips in their first Mactel models the normal Centrino would defiantly outperform the G4. 2MB of L3 cache, 2GHz clock, shitt count me in.
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post #127 of 166
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Originally posted by Relic
What makes you think there will be a performance hit? Even if Apple doesnt use the new dual core mobile chips in their first Mactel models the normal Centrino would defiantly outperform the G4. 2MB of L3 cache, 2GHz clock, shitt count me in. Unless you own older software that will not be compiled to 8086, even then I'm sure Rosetta should run it fine if not at the same slow speed your used to on the G4.

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post #128 of 166
"....even then I'm sure Rosetta should run it fine if not at the same slow speed your used to on the G4..."

ouch. me-owww..!!
post #129 of 166
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Originally posted by sunilraman
"....even then I'm sure Rosetta should run it fine if not at the same slow speed your used to on the G4..."

ouch. me-owww..!!

Not so harsh really, the G4 just isnt competitive in terms of speed anymore. In fact Ill even go, as far as to say I think G4s are slower then molasses on a cold winter morning; wait, wait I should rephrase that, its slow with OSX. If your happy with the performance fine, nothing to say more but my money is going to a Centrino processor notebook with or without Apples help. These miniscule G4 updates are a joke and a waste of my money. I rather be buried up to my neck next to a ant hill before I lay down one more cent for a G4 anything Apple. G4, DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE already.

Ok, maybe this was a little over the top but its been a while since I posted due to a lack of anything worth mentioning about Apple. Until they come out with a worthy update to the iBook or Powerbook its just one big yawn.

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post #130 of 166
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Originally posted by Relic
Not so harsh really, the G4 just isnt competitive in terms of speed anymore. In fact Ill even go, as far as to say I think G4s are slower then molasses on a cold winter morning; wait, wait I should rephrase that, its slow with OSX. If your happy with the performance fine, nothing to say more but my money is going to a Centrino processor notebook with or without Apples help. These miniscule G4 updates are a joke and a waste of my money. I rather be buried up to my neck next to a ant hill before I lay down one more cent for a G4 anything Apple. G4, DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE already.

Ok, maybe this was a little over the top but its been a while since I posted due to a lack of anything worth mentioning about Apple. Until they come out with a worthy update to the iBook or Powerbook its just one big yawn.

Relic: takes of Troll boots and goes back to his daily Pron regiment.


you know, i agree in terms of -performance- and -value-for-money- the g4 is on it's way out.

looking at it as a consumer platform and initial switcher platform, it's swan song, its last 6-12 months, it will be laid to rest peacefully.

i'm on an iBook g4 933mhz 10.4.2 640mb ram, modded with 5400rpm drive and screen spanning hack, ati overclocked 20% core, 10% mem. running multiple applications, organising my stuff, listening to music at the same time, i'm enjoying myself.

i'm not really into games, just don't have time to sit down for hours at a stretch fraggin, though there's nothing wrong with that once in a while. but with the PS3 and such things round the corner, gaming on Mac is well, not a priority. it's weird that we use these pretty little computers for serious work, huh?

also i got an old Pentium2-333mhz with windoze 2000 as my bitTorrent slave i'm not going to demean my mac with all that azureus stuff running in the background clogging it up

i will NOT buy another g4. i'm looking at a iMac g5 17" 1.8ghz for value for money. got my tax refund.... YEAHH !!.... but temperature wise, i really dont know. on "better performance" energy settings, temperatures are showing 130degrees F on average on this sub-1ghz g4. it doesn't help that i am in a place that is 90-95 deg F all year round .

i'm gonna go hang out at the PC overclocker places in this town and see what is up with say two large (removable!!) liquid cooling or somethin' heat blocks to place on the back of the iMac g5. this along with a table fan (to keep mySELF cool as well) will be superb for some awesome G5, ATi 9600, and HDTV 720p action

i'm damn lucky i'm in a part-time job now that doesn't require a powerbook, an iBook with 512mb ram is enough.

now how should i spend my $2000 AUD YEAHHHHH

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post #131 of 166
I'm about to bail out on sites like this because many people posting in the forums seem to pull so many "facts" completely out of their ass. I was a little bummed out because I had been planning to buy an iBook but so many people here were griping that the video card did not support Core Image and Video which is something that I wanted. And yet today, we hear otherwise from a more authoritative source:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

I wish people would post to these places ONLY when they know what they're talking about. That's not asking a lot. If you're one of the people who got so worked up and griped about this, stop and ask yourself why you felt the need to vent over something you clearly... CLEARLY... didn't know anything about. I know this is a rumors site, but why spread misinformation by overreacting?

On the other hand, this is cool. Now I'm sure I'm going to buy one.
post #132 of 166
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Originally posted by inkswamp
I'm about to bail out on sites like this because many people posting in the forums seem to pull so many "facts" completely out of their ass. I was a little bummed out because I had been planning to buy an iBook but so many people here were griping that the video card did not support Core Image and Video which is something that I wanted. And yet today, we hear otherwise from a more authoritative source:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

I wish people would post to these places ONLY when they know what they're talking about. That's not asking a lot. If you're one of the people who got so worked up and griped about this, stop and ask yourself why you felt the need to vent over something you clearly... CLEARLY... didn't know anything about. I know this is a rumors site, but why spread misinformation by overreacting?

On the other hand, this is cool. Now I'm sure I'm going to buy one.


inkswamp, i understand your frustration. but don't give up on appleinsider yet? generally, you should stay away from the "new hardware just released" kind of threads because lately (and who can blame them) people like myself have felt that apple is not always offering great value for money.

the current hardware, future hardware, general, and genius bars have a number of other threads that have a bit more information and discussion, other than just venting.

that's why i started this thread on the ati 9550, which had some good responses, including confirming full core image compatibility and apple updating their website to reflect that. this was before xlr8yourmac posted that article:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=56413
post #133 of 166
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Originally posted by Relic
Not so harsh really, the G4 just isnt competitive in terms of speed anymore. In fact Ill even go, as far as to say I think G4s are slower then molasses on a cold winter morning; wait, wait I should rephrase that, its slow with OSX. If your happy with the performance fine, nothing to say more but my money is going to a Centrino processor notebook with or without Apples help. These miniscule G4 updates are a joke and a waste of my money. I rather be buried up to my neck next to a ant hill before I lay down one more cent for a G4 anything Apple. G4, DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE already.

Ok, maybe this was a little over the top but its been a while since I posted due to a lack of anything worth mentioning about Apple. Until they come out with a worthy update to the iBook or Powerbook its just one big yawn.

Relic: takes of Troll boots and goes back to his daily Pron regiment.

I cant say I disagree - but.

Thjis update was really just to get mac mini's and ibooks Tigering. While the video cards ant really up to scratch - still 32mb ram, it is good that apple started bundling BLuetooth as standard on the ibooks, as well as doubling the ram.

This simply means that the rumored 14" widescream that everyone keeps talking about will come with the macintels.

If you dont need a computer now, wait 12 months for real updates.
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post #134 of 166
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Originally posted by pyriX
This update was really just to get mac mini's and ibooks Tigering.

The memory upgrade was welcome, although without an empty slot, the mini is still hard to stomach. The GPU upgrade in the iBook brought it up to Tiger standards, but nothing was done for the mini. I'd give the iBook upgrade a "B" and the mini upgrade a "D."

<off-topic> I see that Apple now offers refurbished older minis for $50 or $70 off the original price. Kinda laughable since it'll cost that much to bring the memory up to snuff after you buy one.
post #135 of 166
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I'm about to bail out on sites like this because many people posting in the forums seem to pull so many "facts" completely out of their ass.

What can I say - you're right. The urge to post exceeds the urge to research.

Just like - how many of the people saying "32 MB isn't enough VRAM" actually know the performance metrics of Quartz Extreme's virtual memory system under various apps? Answer: none. I'm sure that the Apple engineers know, though - every year at the WWDC they take us through performance profiling and they do it on everything as a routine part of development. They are not going to put 32MB in the machine if QE's VM system is thrashing its ass off with just a few apps running.
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post #136 of 166
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Originally posted by inkswamp
I'm about to bail out on sites like this because many people posting in the forums seem to pull so many "facts" completely out of their ass. I was a little bummed out because I had been planning to buy an iBook but so many people here were griping that the video card did not support Core Image and Video which is something that I wanted. And yet today, we hear otherwise from a more authoritative source:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/

I wish people would post to these places ONLY when they know what they're talking about. That's not asking a lot. If you're one of the people who got so worked up and griped about this, stop and ask yourself why you felt the need to vent over something you clearly... CLEARLY... didn't know anything about. I know this is a rumors site, but why spread misinformation by overreacting?

On the other hand, this is cool. Now I'm sure I'm going to buy one.

You might as well bail out of every forum. Forums are for venting as much as anything else. If incorrect info is posted someone will come along and correct it. It's like real life, except it's not face to face, so people can say things they would never get away with.

We do argue about things that NOBODY knows anything about though.
post #137 of 166
It wasn't my intent to thread-jack, so I'll keep this brief.

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Originally posted by melgross
You might as well bail out of every forum. Forums are for venting as much as anything else.

I understand that, and I don't begrudge people their venting when there's an actual reason to vent. My point was that those who whined about the iBooks not being core image and video compatible should stop and ask themselves why they did that. Obviously, they didn't know what the hell they were talking about and therefore, it's logical to assume, they had no reason to vent. It was unnecessary venting that caused confusion and annoyance for me--a fellow Mac-user--with whom they are here ostensibly to communicate.

I mean, who goes around imagining reasons to freak out when there are so many legitimate reasons, anyway?
post #138 of 166
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Originally posted by lundy
What can I say - you're right. The urge to post exceeds the urge to research.

Just like - how many of the people saying "32 MB isn't enough VRAM" actually know the performance metrics of Quartz Extreme's virtual memory system under various apps? Answer: none. I'm sure that the Apple engineers know, though - every year at the WWDC they take us through performance profiling and they do it on everything as a routine part of development. They are not going to put 32MB in the machine if QE's VM system is thrashing its ass off with just a few apps running.

That's very true; however once you connect that iBook to a second monitor all bets are off. So I to will go down in books as saying, "32 MB isn't enough VRAM", Apple just squeaked by with the bare minimum lets all rejoice.

Inkswamp, buy it already and stop seeking other peoples approval, lunging at a forum for bitching about a product your interested in is silly. We're mostly pissed off at the fact that the iBook hasn't gone anywhere spec-wise in the last two years.
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post #139 of 166
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Originally posted by inkswamp
It wasn't my intent to thread-jack, so I'll keep this brief.

I understand that, and I don't begrudge people their venting when there's an actual reason to vent. My point was that those who whined about the iBooks not being core image and video compatible should stop and ask themselves why they did that. Obviously, they didn't know what the hell they were talking about and therefore, it's logical to assume, they had no reason to vent. It was unnecessary venting that caused confusion and annoyance for me--a fellow Mac-user--with whom they are here ostensibly to communicate.

I mean, who goes around imagining reasons to freak out when there are so many legitimate reasons, anyway?


heh. maybe we should start initiating virtual Spanking** for all the people that came out and were like "it's not core image compatible!"

inkswamp, start naming Names.... heh

**oops, i'm on the wrong website for this kind of stuff
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post #140 of 166
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Originally posted by sunilraman
heh. maybe we should start initiating virtual Spanking** for all the people that came out and were like "it's not core image compatible!"

inkswamp, start naming Names.... heh

**oops, i'm on the wrong website for this kind of stuff
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We should deputize him first to give him the power of the spanker.

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post #141 of 166
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Originally posted by Relic
That's very true; however once you connect that iBook to a second monitor all bets are off. So I to will go down in books as saying, "32 MB isn't enough VRAM", Apple just squeaked by with the bare minimum lets all rejoice.

Inkswamp, buy it already and stop seeking other peoples approval, lunging at a forum for bitching about a product your interested in is silly. We're mostly pissed off at the fact that the iBook hasn't gone anywhere spec-wise in the last two years.

also, i think its just that spend 6 months or more on appleinsider and you pretty much figure out how apple tweaks its specs and 'adjusts' it's hardware to maintain a certain level of profit margins.

while i think good on them for their profitability and keeping mac os X as a stellar operating system that is very important to my lifestyle,

i WAS looking for a decent iBook and maybe thought that apple WOULD bring out the big guns to keep interest in their products post-macintel. Hence, admittedly, i am dissapointed....

post #142 of 166
The other problem we have in figuring out what Apple is doing here is that they don't have, anywhere that I can find easily yet, which processor they're using.

What happened to the 7448's? Of course Apple is in the position of not being able to put a newer, better cpu, in the iBook than it has in the Powerbook. I don't know if this is simply an Apple problem (desire), or a problem with Freescale ramping up their lines. Otherwise we could see a Powerbook using this as well about now, refresh or not.

I suspect that it's both. Freescale is proving unable to have cpu's available that have been out for a year or more. An example:

I decided to order an upgrade card from Powerlogix/OWC (who owns them now). I called to order the dual 1.33GHz 7457 card for one of my Digital Audio's. It was to be available in 25 days. So I told Chris fine; I would wait.

Every few days I would go to the site and check the wait. It comes down to five days. Three days later I go again especting it to say three, but it says 26! I figure that maybe it came in and this number is for the next batch (I was told there is a wait list). I call Chris up. He checks, and says that they haven't come in. There's a problem getting the chips.

Now, when I first called, almost a month ago, I was told that people from the company were with Freescale negotiating for the chips. I ordered when they said that they had gotten them.

Instead I ordered the dual 1.8GHz board. I didn't really want that because it's slower than the dual 1.33 7447a board when doing Photoshop, etc.

He said that they would swap it out if the 7457's came in within 30 days (they have a 30 day money-back garantee). I paid $729 plus shipping. They just lowered the price to $649. Sigh.

I'm wondering if this means that a series of 7448 boards will be coming out.

We'll see what happens, but this doesn't look good.
post #143 of 166
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Originally posted by Relic
Inkswamp, buy it already and stop seeking other peoples approval, lunging at a forum for bitching about a product your interested in is silly.

Waitafrigginminute... I wasn't seeking anyone's approval. I never do. If I did, I sure as hell wouldn't have been using Macs for the last 15 years, would I?

And second, I wasn't griping about needing approval, but rather the way some people feel the need to bitch about everything, and the way that can spread misinformation when they don't really know what they're talking about. I just don't get the desire to whine about imagined grievances. This caused me problems because I wanted to make sure the iBook was core video and image ready before buying and this site is generally full of knowledgeable people so I was following the (mostly misleading) posts about it. Nowhere on Apple's site until a couple days ago was there any indication about the iBook's compatibility with core image and video.

So it has nothing to do at all with approval. I needed info and felt that this forum was valuable enough for that. Basically, people who gripe like that make these kinds of forums far less valuable and trustworthy. Everyone who posts knowledgeably here should frown on that.

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Originally posted by Relic
We're mostly pissed off at the fact that the iBook hasn't gone anywhere spec-wise in the last two years.

And that's perfectly legit. That's right. It hasn't gone much of anywhere in the last two years, but if people are going to gripe, they should at least know what they're griping about and stop causing confusion for those of us reading these threads. Those who complained specifically about the iBooks not being core image and video ready should be embarrassed for pulling complaints out of their ass. That's just childish.
post #144 of 166
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Originally posted by inkswamp
Waitafrigginminute... I wasn't seeking anyone's approval. I never do. If I did, I sure as hell wouldn't have been using Macs for the last 15 years, would I?

And second, I wasn't griping about needing approval, but rather the way some people feel the need to bitch about everything, and the way that can spread misinformation when they don't really know what they're talking about. I just don't get the desire to whine about imagined grievances. This caused me problems because I wanted to make sure the iBook was core video and image ready before buying and this site is generally full of knowledgeable people so I was following the (mostly misleading) posts about it. Nowhere on Apple's site until a couple days ago was there any indication about the iBook's compatibility with core image and video.

So it has nothing to do at all with approval. I needed info and felt that this forum was valuable enough for that. Basically, people who gripe like that make these kinds of forums far less valuable and trustworthy. Everyone who posts knowledgeably here should frown on that.



And that's perfectly legit. That's right. It hasn't gone much of anywhere in the last two years, but if people are going to gripe, they should at least know what they're griping about and stop causing confusion for those of us reading these threads. Those who complained specifically about the iBooks not being core image and video ready should be embarrassed for pulling complaints out of their ass. That's just childish.

You weren't seeking approval, but you were seeking confirmation.

Forums are NEVER the place for that. Call Apple up for that information if you can't find it on their site.
post #145 of 166
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Originally posted by melgross

What happened to the 7448's?

You will find them in the next Powerbook update .

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I suspect that it's both. Freescale is proving unable to have cpu's available that have been out for a year or more. An example:

I decided to order an upgrade card from Powerlogix/OWC (who owns them now). I called to order the dual 1.33GHz 7457 card for one of my Digital Audio's. It was to be available in 25 days. So I told Chris fine; I would wait.

I think that you are looking at the wrong side of the universe. It could be Apple the Freescale chip sink, since from the time that Motorola let the microprocessor division act on its own, the G4 was always supplied to Apple in time or slightly ahead of schedule and in sufficient quantities. Perhaps Freescale was unable to substantially advance the G4 until now, but at least there was not with them a supply issue like in the old Motorola days.

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I'm wondering if this means that a series of 7448 boards will be coming out.

We'll see what happens, but this doesn't look good.

Last year's Freescale roadmap said that the 7448 should be available in 2H-2005. About one month ago, the company announced the 7448 will be available this October. That means as scheduled one year before. To my eyes, this looks pretty good and we can confidently wait the new chips in the announced time frame. Unless the announcement of the Intel switch from Apple changed something in the meantime.
post #146 of 166
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Originally posted by PB
You will find them in the next Powerbook update .


I think that you are looking at the wrong side of the universe. It could be Apple the Freescale chip sink, since from the time that Motorola let the microprocessor division act on its own, the G4 was always supplied to Apple in time or slightly ahead of schedule and in sufficient quantities. Perhaps Freescale was unable to substantially advance the G4 until now, but at least there was not with them a supply issue like in the old Motorola days.


Last year's Freescale roadmap said that the 7448 should be available in 2H-2005. About one month ago, the company announced the 7448 will be available this October. That means as scheduled one year before. To my eyes, this looks pretty good and we can confidently wait the new chips in the announced time frame. Unless the announcement of the Intel switch from Apple changed something in the meantime.

I'm assuming that the chips will be out for the Powerbook update, whenever that will be.

I don't know what you mean by "Apple the Freescale chip sink", unless you mean that Apple uses most of their chips. As Freescale hasn't been any more successful than Motorola has been in supplying faster or newer designs, I can't agree with you here. It should be easy to supply the same chips for a year at a time. No big deal there. If you were correct about Freescale then the 7447a would be at 2GHZ by now. The 7448 should certainly be coming out above 2GHz, but that isn't either.

It's all highly unimpressive. No wonder Apple is leaving.

I brought up the 7457 because this was a much superior chip to the 7455b's. 40% less power usage, 512MB L2 cache rather than 256, as well as the 2MB L3 cache. It's been out for a year now. So why can't Freescale get the slightly faster version out the door? the 1.2GHZ is around.

It concerns me that it could be indicative of what to expect with the 7448's.
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Originally posted by melgross

I don't know what you mean by "Apple the Freescale chip sink", unless you mean that Apple uses most of their chips.

Yes, that's what I mean.

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As Freescale hasn't been any more successful than Motorola has been in supplying faster or newer designs, I can't agree with you here. It should be easy to supply the same chips for a year at a time. No big deal there. If you were correct about Freescale then the 7447a would be at 2GHZ by now. The 7448 should certainly be coming out above 2GHz, but that isn't either.

It's all highly unimpressive. No wonder Apple is leaving.

You are right in what you say and I am not trying to prove the opposite. My point is that Freescale always provided incremental G4 updates to Apple in time. Furthermore, we have strong evidence (see the roadmap argument in my previous post) that the significant 7448 update will come without delays.

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I brought up the 7457 because this was a much superior chip to the 7455b's. 40% less power usage, 512MB L2 cache rather than 256, as well as the 2MB L3 cache. It's been out for a year now. So why can't Freescale get the slightly faster version out the door? the 1.2GHZ is around.

It concerns me that it could be indicative of what to expect with the 7448's.

The 7448 is the next G4, the 745x family is not in use at Apple anymore (and I doubt the 7457 was ever). So I am not sure how much interested Freescale is to push that line. This should had nothing to do with the 7448 going into production.
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Originally posted by PB
The 7448 is the next G4, the 745x family is not in use at Apple anymore (and I doubt the 7457 was ever). So I am not sure how much interested Freescale is to push that line. This should had nothing to do with the 7448 going into production.

No, the 7457 came out after Apple stopped using G4's for the iMac's, Powermac's, and XServes.

The point is that Freescale is selling the 7457's for embedded use. That's a much larger market that Apple's has been. If they can't get these out the door, what's to expect that they will get the 7448's on time?

Remember that Motorola had no problems with the G3. When I bought my daughter her G4 450, it was the fastest machine on the planet, but the problems were already there. Jobs tried to downgrade the line by 50MHz because Motorola couldn't make the fastest chips in quantity, and so everything slipped away.

Freescale has no better facilities, or staff than Motorola had. They also lack the backing of a much larger entity. What happened to their dual 600 line, and others?

At this point, I can't wait until the first x86 machine comes out.

Remember that Apple could have put a 1.7GHz in the iBook. They didn't for political reasons, not technical.

Apple will probablt put an x86 in the Powerbook first, or at the same time as the iBook. So this might be the last refresh of the iBook until that occurs.
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Freescale has no better facilities, or staff than Motorola had. They also lack the backing of a much larger entity.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the Crolles fab, where Freescale collaborates with Philips and STMicroelectronics, is way better than anything Motorola had in the past.

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What happened to their dual 600 line, and others?

Again according to last year's roadmap, it would go into production in 1H-2006. I am confident that we will hear about that this winter. So:

7448 production: 2H-2005
8641D production: 1H-2006

Here is a resume of the upcoming chips. And this presentation has the production schedule (page 41).

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Remember that Apple could have put a 1.7GHz in the iBook. They didn't for political reasons, not technical.

Apple will probablt put an x86 in the Powerbook first, or at the same time as the iBook. So this might be the last refresh of the iBook until that occurs.

We will see.
post #150 of 166
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Originally posted by PB
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the Crolles fab, where Freescale collaborates with Philips and STMicroelectronics, is way better than anything Motorola had in the past.


Again according to last year's roadmap, it would go into production in 1H-2006. I am confident that we will hear about that this winter. So:

7448 production: 2H-2005
8641D production: 1H-2006

Here is a resume of the upcoming chips. And this presentation has the production schedule (page 41).


We will see.

It's a good lab, though it's not really set up for cpu work. It's the financial backing that they lack now.

I'm not too sure about the 8641D. There doesn't seem to be demand for it.
post #151 of 166
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You weren't seeking approval, but you were seeking confirmation.

Wrong. I didn't specifically seek out AI for confirmation of that fact or any other specific fact, but rather was thrown off when I saw so many inaccurate comments about the graphics card from people who seemed like they knew what they were talking about.

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Forums are NEVER the place for that.

I disagree. The better forums can be a place for that which is part of my point: the value of the AI forums to me has just dropped off considerably. And that's too bad really. I have enjoyed browsing the comments here but likely won't bother with it so often in the near-future.
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just to jump in here, i wanted to say that if you look at Freescale CEO comments, i don't think Apple is a major customer, IIRC Freescale CEO said Apple were only 5% of their market?? warning to inkswamp: i may be pulling this out of my ass

anyway, freescale and g4 is EOL in 1 year's time (in regards to Apple Macs). i have confidence that they will be able to supply whatever Apple can do with for that 1 year.

beyond that, fuck freescale.

and i pity the fools that depend on freescale for their g4 upgrade cards. i admire and respect the g4 upgrade card manufacturers and i'm sure as long as freescale makes 7447s and the like (which they will do for the embedded PowerPC market), they should survive a while more, hell, maybe even figure out MacIntel upgrades when the time comes. MacAMD upgrades ??? heh....

but, and this is the venting part, fuck Freescale. good riddance to bad rubbish. fuck IBM. as Steve Jobs says, it's time to stop "going through the orifices of Fortune 500" [wankers] just to deliver a great experience for the consumer. Fuck these retard executives that are jealous of apple and don't know a good thing when they see it (hello HP???) retards.

phew. time for my morning medication
post #153 of 166
Geez, Sunilraman, watch your fucking language!

I am starting to back off the fact that the PowerBook would be the first to go Intel. I am now sorta leaning to the iMac. It seems like Apple is having some heat issues with the current crop of iMac G5s (from hard drives that go poof to 'midplane assembly issues'). If the Engadget blurb is true, I think it has major implications for the 7448. I don't think Apple is going to ever use the G5 in a portable, so that may indeed be where PowerBooks will be headed in the short term.

Arrghhh, no one really knows. But I think we will get a better hint of the direction of the hardware lineup by what is introduced (or not introduced) at the Paris Expo on Tuesday, September 20th.
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..... at the Paris Expo on Tuesday, September 20th.

do you know that's my fucking birthday? free powerBook 7448's for all those faithful mac users born on Sep 20th
post #155 of 166
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Originally posted by inkswamp
Wrong. I didn't specifically seek out AI for confirmation of that fact or any other specific fact, but rather was thrown off when I saw so many inaccurate comments about the graphics card from people who seemed like they knew what they were talking about.



I disagree. The better forums can be a place for that which is part of my point: the value of the AI forums to me has just dropped off considerably. And that's too bad really. I have enjoyed browsing the comments here but likely won't bother with it so often in the near-future.

" I was a little bummed out because I had been planning to buy an iBook but so many people here were griping that the video card did not support Core Image and Video which is something that I wanted."

That sounds like you were seeking confirmation, and didn't get it.

You then got it elsewhere, and were pissed off because you were frustrated that the wrong info was provided here, possibly changing your mind about buying it, which was changed back when you went to the site.

And you ARE wrong. These forums are NEVER to be relied upon for product info. I'm on a lot of forums, and none of them are consistantly correct.

As I said, if you want product info, go the the company site, or call them up. Even they may not know!
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That's very true; however once you connect that iBook to a second monitor all bets are off. So I to will go down in books as saying, "32 MB isn't enough VRAM", Apple just squeaked by with the bare minimum lets all rejoice.

Unless you've hacked your iBook to allow a second monitor, it's just a mirror of the built in screen and 32MB for a 1024x768 screen is plenty for the OS and Quartz. It's an iBook, not a PowerMac.
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Unless you've hacked your iBook to allow a second monitor, it's just a mirror of the built in screen and 32MB for a 1024x768 screen is plenty for the OS and Quartz. It's an iBook, not a PowerMac.

Then let the masses have their neutered iBook, I for one find the lack of built in video spanning a feeble attempt to show superiority in the more expensive Powerbook models. Plus with tiger already limping on the current iBook I would of thought a minuscule upgrade to 64MB of video ram obvious. Apple in all its greedy wisdom said no, so I say no.
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post #158 of 166
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Then let the masses have their neutered iBook, I for one find the lack of built in video spanning a feeble attempt to show superiority in the more expensive Powerbook models. Plus with tiger already limping on the current iBook I would of thought a minuscule upgrade to 64MB of video ram obvious. Apple in all its greedy wisdom said no, so I say no.

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apple store US is down

Yep for a new mouse.
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Yep for a new mouse.

not just ANY new mouse, a MIGHTY mouse
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