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Apple Computer this week began asking its developers to test and report back to the company on the first external pre-release build of Mac OS X 10.4.3, a forthcoming maintenance release to the Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger operating system.

Like the previously released Mac OS X 10.4.2 Update, tipsters say that Mac OS X 10.4.3 continues to focus on improving the overall reliability and stability of the Tiger OS.

The current build of the system update, rumored to be Mac OS X 10.4.3 build 8F8, is said to include over 40 bug fixes. Specifically, tipsters said the update addresses issues with .Mac, AppleScript, AFP Server communications, and Finder permissions.

Other improvements are rumored to include better handling of Japanese file names when communicating with a Windows server, improved handling of corrupt fonts, and Arabic characters display fixes.

Earlier this month Apple released Mac OS X 10.4.2 Update, which aimed to improve the overall reliability and compatibility for Mac OS X 10.4. It also delivered significant improvements to Tiger's Dashboard widget management environment, including a new Widget Manager.

Tipsters said the forthcoming Mac OS X 10.4.3 update currently weighs in at approximately 77MB in Combo form. It's expected to be released sometime in September.
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Is it Snappier!!!!!!!!!?
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Updates are coming out of Apple at a pretty good pace. We'll be at 10.4.10 before we know it.
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post #4 of 70
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Is it Snappier!!!!!!!!!?

Of course it just *feels* snappier...but it's the worst upgrade *ever* in terms of bugs...no wait, it's finally the version of OS X that's ready for primetime. In fact, I just might buy one of those new PowerBooks they're going to announce on Tuesday.
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Is it Snappier!!!!!!!!!?

tiger is already extremely snappy unless you're using an outdated machine. it's even snappy on my parents 800Mhz eMac w/ 512MB ram.
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Originally posted by ipodandimac
tiger is already extremely snappy unless you're using an outdated machine. it's even snappy on my parents 800Mhz eMac w/ 512MB ram.

We, as Apple/Mac/OS X users do not care at all about how "snappy" the current release of OS X and related updates is. Its all about how much snappier the next version is. Without that fine "snappier" goodness, an OS X update is pretty bland and pointless.
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Originally posted by AppleInsider

The current build of the system update, rumored to be Mac OS X 10.4.3 build 8F8, is said to include over 40 bug fixes.

10.4.2 was 8C46, now they are at 8F8 - either they had some really rotten build trains or they have done some x86-only stuff like forking developer builds.
Interesting.
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i am a bit concerned that there isn't a hint of airport improvements/fixes fromt he 10.4.2 "update." i know i'm not the only one who had their network break in epic fashion (we're talking the launch of a thousand lost bit-packets, friends). perhaps i didn't put enough frowning-smilies in my curse-laden diatribe to their humble "feedback form."

the good thing is that, while tiger was working, i had ridiculously fast airport access, compared to anything i got under panther.
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If it just fixes the disaster formally known as Mail.app, I'll be happy... for the time being, I am growing more accustomed to Thunderbird (just wish it had Address Book integration)
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I hope it fixes the Safari crashing problems and the Firewire problems which were introduced around 10.2 8 or so.
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I hope they finally fix all of the drawing glitches.

Has anyone else noticed many occurences of beachball-of-death holding-up-the-whole-system? I havent changed any hardware or drivers, yet this happens to me on 10.4.2 at least once a week.

I wish I'd have stayed with 10.3.6. It was rock-solid. For mem Tiger has been nothing but trouble.
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It's amazing how different areas of Tiger work perfectly for some and yet are totally broken for others. The only thing that has bothered me about Tiger has been the IMAP support in Mail.app. Aside from that, it's being rock solid on my iBook.
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Is it Snappier!!!!!!!!!?

Of course it is, updates are always teh snappy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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For me Mail is fine, it's the .Mac/Backup uselessness that is a problem,

And why can't we have a defrag utility standard?
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You know...Tiger was pretty forked up to us all as it was a late beta we got as retail. Shabby state of affairs that the initial release is still being corrected with the third update-ala Panther was too-and Jaguar before that. Not even going to dicuss what 10.1 was or the inadequate hardware it ran on.....here.....Apparently and obviously Apple fired all their good programmers and have hired talented KIDS. Well at least we have an understanding now that Steve Jobs problem is Hypomaina. This assesment by a professional psychologist and only repeated by me. Funny how it has this ring of truth. All the good people at Apple got chased away by madman Jobs. That is why Jobs got fired in the first place-back in 1985. I have more but this will do for the narrow field of the issues before us for now.
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Originally posted by merlin9x9
I hope they finally fix all of the drawing glitches.

Has anyone else noticed many occurences of beachball-of-death holding-up-the-whole-system? I havent changed any hardware or drivers, yet this happens to me on 10.4.2 at least once a week.

I wish I'd have stayed with 10.3.6. It was rock-solid. For mem Tiger has been nothing but trouble.

Yes, my wife's machine crashes.
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Will iChat finally look as good as it did in Panther?

Is it just me and all my immediate friends or did iChat video get worse looking under Tiger?
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I personally have not experienced a single issue with Tiger, including 10.4.0. The only problem I have with it is that the damn thing insists on indexing volumes that I plug in. That is damn annoying, and needs to be turned off by default.

As far as iChat video, I have noticed a huge improvement in quality, though this is only there when video conferencing with other Tiger users (I am guessing it's because of the new h.264 codec).

For the record, I have upgraded the following computers, all within days Tiger's release:

1. Two iBook G4's
2. A PowerBook G4
3. A "Quicksilver" PowerMac G4 with dual 800MHz processors
4. An iMac G5
5. Some other computers around the office

Don't you think it's weird that I have not seen a single issue with any of these computers or any software? Actually now that I write it, I think I had to reinstall Photoshop due to an issue with opening files. But seriously, no issues.
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My only issues with Tiger:

1. Safari/QuickTime Freeze - this is a common occurrence in certain G5 models like mine where simply going to a page in Safari that uses QuickTime will freeze the machine completely. Only happens after the machines been on for awhile. EDIT: there's also a screen when utilizing View>Full Screen.

2. Sleep issues - inability to wake from sleep since Tiger's been installed. When the screen comes to life, the clock shows it froze the night before when I put the machine to sleep.

3. Speed - while Tiger is snappy on my G5 1.8, much more so than Panther, it has made things slow on my G4 at work (dual 867), esp. when switching in and out of app's like Adobe CS.

One major thing Tiger DID seem fix with my G5 was the inability to reboot or shutdown the computer. Previously it would just go to the blue screen and hang.

I also wish Apple would just clean up the interface because it's sloppy in a few places, like Finder windows not zooming properly or fonts getting cut off in Mail.
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What 10.4.3 needs to call Tiger, Tiger, at last.
FYI, i have a PB17, clean install, 1Go RAM.

- less than 4 minutes 20 seconds before being able to use my mac when starting/logging
- Spotlight as fast as when Jobs uses it during his keynote
- iPhoto to open in less than 3 minutes and working
- dashboard doesn't take more than 20 seconds to display an updated time / weather
- i'm tired of switching to firefox to fill forms or visit sites when safari won't let me.
- change desktop background every X minutes with my iPhotos pictures (it works with a regular folder, and it used to work with iPhoto)
- DVD Player linked to AirTunes so that when i watch a movie i don't have to unplug the speakers from Airport Express to plug them in my Powerbook
- alarms for the Birthday calendar in iCal/Address Book
- more options when creating Zip files (name the file, PC friendly...)
- Backup to recognize my .mac account

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post #21 of 70
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Originally posted by Robin Hood
I personally have not experienced a single issue with Tiger, including 10.4.0. The only problem I have with it is that the damn thing insists on indexing volumes that I plug in. That is damn annoying, and needs to be turned off by default.

As far as iChat video, I have noticed a huge improvement in quality, though this is only there when video conferencing with other Tiger users (I am guessing it's because of the new h.264 codec).

For the record, I have upgraded the following computers, all within days Tiger's release:

1. Two iBook G4's
2. A PowerBook G4
3. A "Quicksilver" PowerMac G4 with dual 800MHz processors
4. An iMac G5
5. Some other computers around the office

Don't you think it's weird that I have not seen a single issue with any of these computers or any software? Actually now that I write it, I think I had to reinstall Photoshop due to an issue with opening files. But seriously, no issues.

Yes, it's very weird, and almost impossible to believe.
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I have Tiger on a Dual 2.0GHz G5, a Dual 1.25GHz G4, and a 450MHz G4 with absolutly no problems.

Edit: The only problem I have is font problems while using QuarkXPress 6.5. But I know this is not a problem with Tiger because the same fonts work fine in Illustrator CS2, Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2 and Microsoft Office X.
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Originally posted by fahlman
I have Tiger on a Dual 2.0GHz G5, a Dual 1.25GHz G4, and a 450MHz G4 with absolutly no problems.

Edit: The only problem I have is font problems while using QuarkXPress 6.5. But I know this is not a problem with Tiger because the same fonts work fine in Illustrator CS2, Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2 and Microsoft Office X.

Did you have those SAME font problems with quark before? If not, then it is a problem with 10.4.

That doesn't mean that it's Apple's fault. They have changed things in fornt handling. But it's still a 10.4 problem.
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Did you have those SAME font problems with quark before? If not, then it is a problem with 10.4.

That doesn't mean that it's Apple's fault. They have changed things in fornt handling. But it's still a 10.4 problem.

Same fonts as before when I was using Quark 4.1/5.0 in Classic on 10.2.8. Why do they work properly in Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Office but not in Quark? I'm also using Suitcase X1 to manage my fonts. Maybe there's a problem between Suitcase and Quark.
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Originally posted by fahlman
Same fonts as before when I was using Quark 4.1/5.0 in Classic on 10.2.8. Why do they work properly in Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Office but not in Quark? I'm also using Suitcase X1 to manage my fonts. Maybe there's a problem between Suitcase and Quark.

There is a problem with Suitcase.
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Hopefully this will fix Safari speed & stability since 10.4.2. On my system it has become really slow & unstable after somewhat prolonged use. It's like a runaway train. Often using >100% CPU (DP G5 2.5) and holding the entire system hostage.

I have to restarting my system every day if I want to keep it snappy or at least restart Safari at intervals. After the system has been on for a while, I can't browse a tab until all other tabs have fully loaded. If one auto-refreshes, I can't do anything until it's finished reloading. Right now Safari "beachballs" intermittenly and halts the text typing while it switches running 15-50% cpu every second as I'm typing this msg ( with 294MB real memory & 729MB virtual memory used for Safari) A real pain. Time to restart, just to keep my sanity.

They also need to fix all the resources widgets require. Every widget taking >200MB of virtual memory on the hard drive, together with the OS and a few apps really makes the system depend too much on the hard drive.

.Mac also is still long overdue for a serious speed improvement in terms of connection time & transferring files. Maybe they need to allow multiple files to be transmitted in parallel rather than one after another with such slow acknowlegdements between each file.

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It took >2 minutes at >100% CPU to submit the previous post and get back here and then still was running >100%

Tried to quit Safari. Had to force-quit it. Now only takes 27MB RAM & 291 virtual. 1 sec to submit a page.
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Yes, it's very weird, and almost impossible to believe.

I forgot to mention, I also upgraded a dual 2.0 GHz G5, also completely without issues (I had pre-ordered the G5 on the same day they were released ~2 years ago). This again was not a clean install, it had been running for almost 2 years at that point, never being reinstalled and was being used 8 hours a day. I didn't even bother to run Disk Utility first.

On the other hand, I used to constantly have problems with OS upgrades before OS X. For example, I went through hell with 7.5, and its updates, as well as upgrading to OS 8 and OS 9. But with OS X, which I switched to once 10.2 came out, I never once had problems with upgrades.
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There is a problem with Suitcase.

Not to hijack this thread but, specifics? Two computers exhibit the exact same font problem. It's has to be Quark.
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Not to hijack this thread but, specifics? Two computers exhibit the exact same font problem. It's has to be Quark.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Suitcase. I used to use it at work and after I disabled it there was a significant reduction in crashes in InDesign.
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Not to hijack this thread but, specifics? Two computers exhibit the exact same font problem. It's has to be Quark.

Let me be more specific. There is a KNOWN problem with Suitcase.

That better?
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God, I hope this is FINALLY the release that Apple gets Tiger right.

Tiger and its sea of bugs and half thought-through designs is a flashback to 10.0.0.

Come on Apple. Longhorn is going to be better than "good enough." And you need a good base to build Leopard on. Plus, we all paid good money for this OS.
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It took >2 minutes at >100% CPU to submit the previous post and get back here and then still was running >100%

Tried to quit Safari. Had to force-quit it. Now only takes 27MB RAM & 291 virtual. 1 sec to submit a page.

This sounds like a problem I was having, it turned out to be that I needed to restart my cable modem and airport router and airport on the computer. I did this out of frustration when I had downloaded the airport updater, which you will need to select configure to actually get that update to the router, then apparently what the router would like to see is the modem restarted. I don't know about your set-up but it sounds like internet connection problems. Just so you know, I was able to surf, get mail, etc no problem, what tipped me off was that the iPhoto update was going to take me 2hours to down load, my down load speed is 3Mb or at least it was prior to the update. A total restart fixed everything, and yes I too suffered very long reply times, on the order of 15 to 20 sec. I had to slowly and methodically restart everything in order from the internat back to the computer.

Here are speed check after the total restart:
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God, I hope this is FINALLY the release that Apple gets Tiger right.

Tiger and its sea of bugs and half thought-through designs is a flashback to 10.0.0.

Come on Apple. Longhorn is going to be better than "good enough." And you need a good base to build Leopard on. Plus, we all paid good money for this OS.

? So you plan on using Longhorn/Vista? It would take A LOT for Windows to be more than good enough for those of already getting the goods from OS X.

The new Windows won't even be here until Christmas next year. OS X will probably have 6 or 7 more updates by then and maybe even Leopard itself. Gawd this gets old.
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God, I hope this is FINALLY the release that Apple gets Tiger right.

Tiger and its sea of bugs and half thought-through designs is a flashback to 10.0.0.

Come on Apple. Longhorn is going to be better than "good enough." And you need a good base to build Leopard on. Plus, we all paid good money for this OS.

Are you flippin kidding me? Longhorn will NOT be better than "good enough." When the hell has there or will there ever be a Windows better than good enough!? Get yourself checked out. And 10.4.2. is finally getting us back to a stable OS X we know and love.

On another note though, Apple reeeeeally needs to fix the way icons sometimes don't move around right on the Desktop. That's been a bug since the beginning of Panther, maybe even Jaguar. Am I the only one seeing this? I had it on Panther too. I was kind of hoping Tiger would fix it. It's so annoying.
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Personally, I wish Apple would fix a lot of the searching issues in the Finder:

- Start typing into the search field and it locks up while it starts searching. Anything you type doesn't show up immediately.

- Sorting in list view while in Smart folders is not instant like a regular folder. The contents disappear and then reappear like a search was performed again.

- Adding criteria in a smart folder is limited in the fact that you can't add two of the same criteria. For example...

I can't say I want a smart folder that shows me all my PDF and Word DOC files. Instead the Finder creates a query that looks for files that are both PDF AND DOC files. It inserts "&&" in between every new criteria. This is fine and all, but you should be able to specify when creating in the Finder that you want all the files that match any or all of the criteria like you can in iTunes.

I have to actually go in and edit the smart folder query myself in TextEdit to make the smart folders behave like I want them to. I shouldn't have to do this unless I am creating a very complex smart folder query.
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Are you flippin kidding me? Longhorn will NOT be better than "good enough." When the hell has there or will there ever be a Windows better than good enough!? Get yourself checked out. And 10.4.2. is finally getting us back to a stable OS X we know and love.

On another note though, Apple reeeeeally needs to fix the way icons sometimes don't move around right on the Desktop. That's been a bug since the beginning of Panther, maybe even Jaguar. Am I the only one seeing this? I had it on Panther too. I was kind of hoping Tiger would fix it. It's so annoying.

The point is that it WILL be "good enough" for Windows users. It's a different story for Mac users.

The problem is that Apple is finally trying, and succeeding in, stopping its slide and getting back on the path of solid growth. Most of that growth is coming from Windows users. If Vista is "good enough" for them, they might not continue to move over.

Apple has to get over these bugs quickly so that it can get these people over to the Leopard team. I really wasn't expecting 10.4.3 to be worked on so feaverishly. I don't know what that tells.

I hope one of those reasons is your bug.
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Originally posted by MacGregor
For me Mail is fine, it's the .Mac/Backup uselessness that is a problem,

And why can't we have a defrag utility standard?

Mac OS 10.4 already has 'defrag' builtin.
It 'defrags' the harddisk as you save files.

Next feature request please ...
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Originally posted by olive_
What 10.4.3 needs to call Tiger, Tiger, at last.
FYI, i have a PB17, clean install, 1Go RAM.

- less than 4 minutes 20 seconds before being able to use my mac when starting/logging
o

You have something wrong with your computer.
My 1.25ghz eMac takes around 30 seconds to boot.
Try disconnecting all your external Firewire/USB periperhals and test it again.
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Originally posted by coldfusion1970
Mac OS 10.4 already has 'defrag' builtin.
It 'defrags' the harddisk as you save files.

Next feature request please ...

Don't be in such a rush to answer without checking first. That's not entirely true. OS X only defrags files that are 20MB and smaller. It's even more complex than that. If you have a large PS file scattered around your drive, it will remain so.
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