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The processor in Sony's PlayStation 3 gaming console can potentially support Apple's Mac OS X Tiger operating system according to a recent posting to Sony's UK website.

The highly anticipated successor to the PlayStation 2 is expected to hit the streets in 2006, shortly after Microsoft releases its rival XBox 360 system.

"Sony is expected to offer optional hard drives for the PlayStation 3 with potential memory capacity of 80 or 120 GB. It remains to be decided whether the standard version of the PS3 will come complete with a hard drive," reads a company statement.

"The operating system has also yet to be clarified. The integrated Cell processor will be able to support a variety of operating systems (such as Linux or Apple's Tiger)."

It's unclear at the moment exactly what this will mean for Mac or PlayStation 3 users. Sony's Cell processor is a derivative of IBM's PowerPC chip used by Apple in its personal computers.

Previous mumblings had presented the possibility that Apple was looking to form a partnership with Sony on the PlayStation 3 that would make some of the console's games compatible with the Mac OS X operating system. With Apple's announced switch to Intel processors, this now seems less likely.

Analysts at Wedbush Morgan Securities recently said that Sony may delay the release of the PlayStation 3 until 2007 if the Microsoft's Xbox 360 launch is less than stellar.
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Why? How? I'm confused...
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Does this mean that Apple needs 3 version of Tiger? Intel, PowerPC, and the Cell processor?
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What is the signifigance of this?

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post #5 of 87
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Previous mumblings had presented the possibility that Apple was looking to form a partnership with Sony on the PlayStation 3 that would make some of the console's games compatible with the Mac OS X operating system. With Apple's announced switch to Intel processors, this now seems less likely.

How is this less likely?

There's a version of Tiger that runs on PS3, therefore if sony chooses Tiger as the PS3's default OS, Tiger on Intel would be a few clicks and some minor code changes away from running any game originally written for PS3.. period.

However, you might be saying that if Apple stops supporting OS X on PPC, maybe sony would choose a different OS.. I think this is possible, but you have to remember that usually consoles are shipped with the same version of the same OS for years, so if there's a working PPC version now (and there is), then there's no reason not to use it (unless tiger's just not very good for games, which is probably true).

Moreover, if the PS3 ships say a million units, and each one has OS X.. I'm sure Apple would be more than happy to support it.. after all, the OS is supposed to be platform independent.

When will people learn: instruction sets don't matter much if the OS is the same!
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post #6 of 87
Whaaaaaaaa?

Sounds to me like they were looking for PPC-capable OS names to toss into a PR piece. Weird.

It *could* be something else, but... wacky.
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Yeah I don't think this is gonna happen. It just makes no sense at all.
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actually, it sounds to me that if you were to wipe the internal drive, or trick the console into booting from an external drive, it would be able to run tiger if it were accessible. No more, no less. In it's self though, that is kinda cool, have osx on you TV, like a DVR/MediaCenter device.

If a deal was to be struck between Sony and Apple from a software standpoint, which I feel is enormously unlikely, it would have been purely due to to the fact that both would have been written for the same processor. The games being designed will push the limits of the hardware. Having a graphics intensive OS like Tiger under that while it's running would hinder game play quality, something I doubt Sony and the respective game developers would go for. It wont happen.
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Firmware...no firmware==little chance of OSX without a shitload of hacking...by the time you hack your ~$400 PS3, you will have wasted more than enough time (assuming you value your time) than the price differance to get a mini...and after extencive hacking, the PS3 software may crap out.
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Firmware...no firmware==little chance of OSX without a shitload of hacking...by the time you hack your ~$400 PS3, you will have wasted more than enough time (assuming you value your time) than the price differance to get a mini...and after extencive hacking, the PS3 software may crap out.

If the PS3 can be hacked to run Linux, I bet it wouldn't be terribly hard to hack the PS3 to run a Darwin variant. Darwin has some big advantages over typical Linux packages, and there's potential to add various services on top of Darwin that aren't necessarily Apple products.
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post #11 of 87
There's a huge difference between what was actually said with "will be able to support" and the leap it takes to say "Playstation 3 to support Mac OS X Tiger".
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Not only that, but they were talking about the Cell chip, not the entire unit, IMO. It'd be easy for a non-techie writer to think that since Cell is derived from the PowerPC line that all PPC OSs should run on it.
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What do I know, but I think this is highly unlikely.

Read the reports around the time when the Intel announcement was made. It was quite clear that for Apple to have considered the Cell processor as a replacement/alternative to the PowerPC/Intel direction would have taken MORE work than the Intel move was. Strange, but true. "Dirived from PowerPC" does not make it a PowerPC chip. So there is technical reasons why it is unlikely, outside of all the political/economical issues. :-)

Also, "could support" or "OS such as" is pie in the sky. It could support UnixWare too, if SCO would port a version for it. It could support DOS, Windows, OS/2, AmigaOS, QNX, OS/400, etc... It *COULD* support anything if the company would support it. I just don't think you'll likely see many or any of the above running on it, including OSX. But, what do I know?
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Wha? This is a weird one. It may well be just a PR hack's pen slip but it could also hint at something significant. I've no doubt we will see Apple and the new 'humble' Sony trying to work closer together; but OS X on PS3? One way of licensing the OS without killing your hardware user base? Strange....
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Darwin has some big advantages over typical Linux packages

Such as?
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I'm so numb from the whole <$500 Mac, Intel, and the Mighty Mouse...I give up. Throw whatever rumor you want at me. I'm ready to believe.
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I'm so numb from the whole <$500 Mac, Intel, and the Mighty Mouse...I give up. Throw whatever rumor you want at me. I'm ready to believe.

i agree apple hae been confusing me a lot lately ps3 ppl seem to really like the idea http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5289
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I'm so numb from the whole <$500 Mac, Intel, and the Mighty Mouse...I give up. Throw whatever rumor you want at me. I'm ready to believe.

The same here... Intel, Mini mac, Mighty Mouse, PS3. We are entering MOSR zone here...
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Well... I remember a keynote where Steve Jobs said that Sony and Apple where working together... but this would be too far out...

Now... for sony, having a virus-free OS is by itself enough reason to do this.. And i think the cell processor is powerfull enough to achieve good results with gaming over Tiger.

Apple in the other hand, would also benefit by having hundreds of games written for the OSX

This is the link apple was missing... Go for it Apple!
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oh come on, from their statement, this is about as earth-shattering as "mac os x to run on xbox." well, yes, it CAN, and people have proven as much. but it doesn't mean you'll grab one off the store shelf or have it on a handy-dandy "PS3 installer disc."
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Hmmm. I don't think this has any validity whatsoever.

At *most*...

1) Sony uses a stripped-down Darwin as the basis. No GPL to mess with, just a corporate partner.

2) *IF* they opted to use a more complete MacOS X (GUI, etc), the question would be... why?

2a) Didn't Sony just shut down their online music store? iTunes? Naw, would require Sony players to support AAC. Although...

2b) iTunes + iPhoto + QuickTime = media center bundle?

3) Using Cell as a general purpose CPU for a Mac, however, wasn't and still isn't, a good idea. Cell is geared towards a one-app-at-a-time model. So why would this be any different?

3a) Limited multiple apps. You're looking at *either* a game, *or* a jukebox, *or* a photo album... never really more than one. This makes Cell doable.

Hmmm. And here I was going to list why this was bogus.

Naw, still think it is.
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I suppose, with some work, it could be made to go on the PPE, which is a stripped down dual thread G4. But it would take a lot more work to get the SPE's to work as well. The memory model is completely different also. There's even a question of how much RAM could be used, and it seems as though most of the RAM is designated for the SPE's.

Well, it's interesting at least.
post #23 of 87
Nothing whatsoever will come of this.

It IS bizarre that Sony would event MENTION it, but that's about all the news there is here.

Yes, PPC-derived chips could support Tiger in some theoretical sense. Yes, despite the iPod rivalry, Apple could partner with Sony on Tiger/PPC while at the same time moving themselves towards Intel/Leopard. Yes, Sony could leak such a thing early.

But it's all very far-fetched.
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It is obvious what is going on.

Sony have licensed OS X as the os for the PS3. Yay!
Sony are worried about PS3 game piracy on the Mac. Boo!
Apple are migrating to Intel so that PS3 games cant run. Boo!
Sony are happy, and let Apple sell Sony artists in ITMS. Yay!
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Originally posted by mmmpie
It is obvious what is going on.

Sony have licensed OS X as the os for the PS3. Yay!
Sony are worried about PS3 game piracy on the Mac. Boo!
Apple are migrating to Intel so that PS3 games cant run. Boo!
Sony are happy, and let Apple sell Sony artists in ITMS. Yay!

... yes, it IS obvious
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They released a hard drive add-on for the PS2 with keyboard an mouse and linux install discs. From what I read it acted completely like a normal computer.

Reading the above it would seem they want to do a similar bundle with the PS3 at some point and Mac OS X has come under the eyes of Sony Computer Entertainment's head guys. Of course they need not have asked Apple if they could say it's a possibility, but for them to say so would suggest that it is actually possible. For Apple this could be great news:

Firstly, I have read many say one main reason for Apple not allowing Mac OS X onto general PCs is because of device support. The PS3 will remain practically the same for many years (did I read 10 years from Sony?). It may (or may not) take time to make OS X work on the PS3, but once the time has been put into the binaries, it should be fine for the length of it's life.

Secondly, the amount of PS3 buyers will be huge. I can see the add-on hard drive being a demo of Mac OS X's capabilities, and can see people buying proper Macs off the back of this. I can also see a lot of HTPC fans (from both Mac and PC markets) buying a PS3, if they don't have one, to use as a HTPC. Selling Mac OS X to a previously uninterested bunch.

Lastly, for Sony this would be an add-on. I would be surprised if they did not release an operating system like they have done with the PS2. Games wouldn't run on this OS, they would run on the PlayStation's own OS.
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Yeah I don't think this is gonna happen. It just makes no sense at all.

Why doesn't it make sense? Apple's OS on Sony's proprietary hardware (ie no hacker is going to take it and put it on something else) in millions of living rooms across the world? Where is the non-sense in that?
If Sony does want people to use the PS3 for photo and video editing, why not use the OS that's best suited for the job?
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They released a hard drive add-on for the PS2 with keyboard an mouse and linux install discs. From what I read it acted completely like a normal computer.

Reading the above it would seem they want to do a similar bundle with the PS3 at some point and Mac OS X has come under the eyes of Sony Computer Entertainment's head guys. Of course they need not have asked Apple if they could say it's a possibility, but for them to say so would suggest that it is actually possible. For Apple this could be great news:

Firstly, I have read many say one main reason for Apple not allowing Mac OS X onto general PCs is because of device support. The PS3 will remain practically the same for many years (did I read 10 years from Sony?). It may (or may not) take time to make OS X work on the PS3, but once the time has been put into the binaries, it should be fine for the length of it's life.

Secondly, the amount of PS3 buyers will be huge. I can see the add-on hard drive being a demo of Mac OS X's capabilities, and can see people buying proper Macs off the back of this. I can also see a lot of HTPC fans (from both Mac and PC markets) buying a PS3, if they don't have one, to use as a HTPC. Selling Mac OS X to a previously uninterested bunch.

Lastly, for Sony this would be an add-on. I would be surprised if they did not release an operating system like they have done with the PS2. Games wouldn't run on this OS, they would run on the PlayStation's own OS.

Even if this were true, it wouldn't be good for Apple. Apple sells computers. If the OS runs on the PS3, then Apple won't sell computers.

This is pretty obvious. That's why Apple isn't licensing the OS. Even if it could run on the PS3, and it won't, the PS3 games won't run on a Mac. It's a different OS that they run under.
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Why doesn't it make sense? Apple's OS on Sony's proprietary hardware (ie no hacker is going to take it and put it on something else) in millions of living rooms across the world? Where is the non-sense in that?
If Sony does want people to use the PS3 for photo and video editing, why not use the OS that's best suited for the job?

Why don't you read some posts? There have been good reasons why not.
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I doubt it, but if it does happen, I will not complain.
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At *most*...

1) Sony uses a stripped-down Darwin as the basis. No GPL to mess with, just a corporate partner.

Even if they did use darwin (ugh), it still wouldn't mean more games for OS X.

I was pretty certain that the cell didn't use PPC, I think the author of that article was just a dumbass.
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I doubt it, but if it does happen, I will not complain.

It sure would be interesting, but not good for Apple's bottom line. what if a million people a year decide to buy a PS3 instead of a Mac Mini or an eMac? That would be trouble. It would reverberate down the whole chain of Apple's products, and stock price.
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Even if they did use darwin (ugh), it still wouldn't mean more games for OS X.

You'll note that nowhere, in anything I wrote, did I ever even *breathe* about this bringing more games to OS X, because I think that's utterly ludicrous.

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I was pretty certain that the cell didn't use PPC, I think the author of that article was just a dumbass.

Cell is a PowerPC derived CPU. In a sense, it is a PPC chip, but it isn't one that is made for general purpose computing. Theoretically, yeah, it could run many current PPC binaries... but it'd suck at being a CPU for a consumer computer. For a console though, where you're running one app at a time, it's great.
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It sure would be interesting, but not good for Apple's bottom line. what if a million people a year decide to buy a PS3 instead of a Mac Mini or an eMac? That would be trouble. It would reverberate down the whole chain of Apple's products, and stock price.

Because those PS3s still wouldn't be usable as a general purpose computer. The eMac would outshine them for performance at the general tasks a computer does, for the reasons stated above.

For a Media Center though... it has merit. You're only running one app at a time. You're listening to music *or* playing a game *or* looking at photos. On a console, you get to pick one app at a time, and the iLife suite is *this* close to being a good media center combo. An iLife bundle with the PS3 that ran a stripped down MacOS X for just those media-oriented apps... feasible.

*shrug* Like I said, technically it kinda makes sense... but I don't think it's ever going to happen, and that the original blurb that kicked this off was due to a misunderstanding on the part of the copy writer.
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Sony plans to sell music and movies through it's own music/video store on the PS3... Thus competing directly with Apple.

No way OS X on the PS3 can happen officially.

MS also has it's own music and video store plans for the XBox 360, and Apple already competes with MS on the OS level, so it's obvious it won't happen on the 360 either.

Only one videogame console manufacturer doesn't compete directly with Apple, and it's Nintendo. They are not video/music or format providers, they are a video-game company, and Apple is everything but a video-game company . The Revolution will feature an online video-game store out of the box... maybe they are looking at a tried-and-tested online storefront from a non competing vendor? (Like the iTMS?) Maybe they are looking for a basic OS for the Revolution? I don't see the big N investing in developing an OS for their machine, since they are more than ever about "games".

I had a much more complicated theory about this before Apple announced the intel switch.

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Sony plans to sell music and movies through it's own music/video store on the PS3... Thus competing directly with Apple.

Didn't Sony just shut down its online music store?
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The Sony PR machine is so disconnected from their product line it isn't even funny. They're using every opportunity to sell the PS3 as a home entertainment system, not a gaming system.
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Because those PS3s still wouldn't be usable as a general purpose computer. The eMac would outshine them for performance at the general tasks a computer does, for the reasons stated above.

For a Media Center though... it has merit. You're only running one app at a time. You're listening to music *or* playing a game *or* looking at photos. On a console, you get to pick one app at a time, and the iLife suite is *this* close to being a good media center combo. An iLife bundle with the PS3 that ran a stripped down MacOS X for just those media-oriented apps... feasible.

*shrug* Like I said, technically it kinda makes sense... but I don't think it's ever going to happen, and that the original blurb that kicked this off was due to a misunderstanding on the part of the copy writer.

I'm making the assumption, for the argument, that it could be done. As my other posts state, I don't believe that it can. After all, it would have to be Apple that does it. No matter what, it won't run on the Cell as things stand now.
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The Sony PR machine is so disconnected from their product line it isn't even funny. They're using every opportunity to sell the PS3 as a home entertainment system, not a gaming system.

That's what MS is trying to do as well. It actually makes sense.

The PC so far has been a failure as a media center. A few have been sold, but not many. But the game machines belong in the family room or living room. That's where everyone uses them. They have an "in" so to speak.

What would be more natural for them to be taken the next step? Do you think the only reason that the PS3 can play 1080p is for games? Internet connections, HD's Blu-Ray (Sony), keyboards, etc. what is the purpose of all that, not just for multi-player ganes, that's for sure.

If Apple wants to get into that space, and it's hard to believe that they don't, then they will have to make a move before these machines are accepted for that purpose. Assuming they work as well in that configuration as Sony and MS hope they will.
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Didn't Sony just shut down its online music store?

I heard about that. Are we sure that it was shut down, as in closed for good, or shut down, as in, we're going to remodel and be back better than before?
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