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How slow is VPC 5 ?

post #1 of 30
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Is VPC 5 usable under OS X (say with either Win200 or XP) ? I dont want to play games but I am thnking of running a few dvd/vidoe based programs.

I would run it on either my 867 or my dual 500 (is there multi processor support ?).. both have 1G of ram.

Is it worth it ?
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post #2 of 30
The documentation with VPC states that DVD playback does not work in emulation. I would doubt that it would work well for that purpose. But it would be more than usable for running Office, browsing the web, playing simple games, and most other applications you can use in windows that are not Video intensive.
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post #3 of 30
How slow is VPC 5?

Try and imagine a dog with no legs, then throw a bone for him to fetch.

It's not even funny trying to run it on my iBook in X. Under 9 it's a little less depressing. Seems like every version they release gets slower.
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post #4 of 30
It's fine on a G4 Cube/384mb
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post #5 of 30
I was thinking of getting it, but if it's really slow then forget it.
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I had 3 and it was descent, fast enough for me not to notice or complain. I got 5 because it runs on X and had to get QuickBooks (because no mac company can make a fricking alternativ to QB that has what QB has)

And on my iBook, I'm not shitting you, it took almost 2 mintues to load QB. I thought the VPC or windows had froze, then finally it launched. That's when I knew something seriously was wrong wth the speed. Once it gets going its not all bad, but launching, quiting, switching between apps is horrid.

Put it this way- VPC sees my USB iBook as a Pll
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post #7 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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Put it this way- VPC sees my USB iBook as a Pll </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thank you. That just steered me away from VPC. I want something that'll actually have decent speed.

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post #8 of 30
I just found out that I need to run Visual Basic for a course I am taking. On VPC 5, it should be interesting.
post #9 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>I just found out that I need to run Visual Basic for a course I am taking. On VPC 5, it should be interesting. </strong><hr></blockquote>

That's gunna be very interesting.
post #10 of 30
Fran:

Use Windows 95 and download Tweak UI to turn off all the GUI options.

That should help the speed a little.
post #11 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>I just found out that I need to run Visual Basic for a course I am taking. On VPC 5, it should be interesting. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I really wouldn't recommend trying to do software development, even something uncomplicated like VB, in an emulator.

Unpredictable results might occur.

You're better off buying the cheapest POS PC you can find which will run the version of VB you need to use. No sound card, no graphics card, 13" monitor, etc. You should be able to find somebody's second-hand computer for peanuts.
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post #12 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by ColorClassicG4:
<strong>Unpredictable results might occur.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Do you have any experience with "unpredictable results" in software dev?

I've compiled and run Pascal, C, C++, and Java apps with no problems at all under VPC.

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post #13 of 30
Is VPC 5 that slow?

I need to be able to browse a large online database, and take offline courses (taking courses in VPC 3 right now, and works fine) would the speed be bearable on a 800mhz G4 iMac? I can't run the database on my StarMax 4000 with VPC 3 at all.
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post #14 of 30
I have VPC 4 on my iMac running Win2k. Its really slow. However, I was at the apple store playing with VPC 4 on a dual 800mhz G4 and that thing screamed. It was just like using a PC for most common apps like IE and Office etc.
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post #15 of 30
2 DogCows? Wierd.

Anyway, VPC 3 was nice, 4 wasn't too bad. Maybe the speed decrease has something to do with the dynamic expanding drive that they introed in version 4. I'm not sure, use version or 4 if you can. If you run X, just plan on it being much much slower then X. Not worth it to me, I feel like I pissed away $200 bucks for it. I want to email them and demand an update when they fix the speed issues. Even when booted into 9, it was still slow as hell.

What is a Pentium ll anyways?

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post #16 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>2 DogCows? Wierd.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

On other boards I'm just 'Dogcow' but the other Dogcow here stole it first, so I had to stick an 'i' in front of it...

Mean ol' Dogcow, stealing names from people....
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post #18 of 30
I'm running it on a Quicksilver 867 with 1GB of memory. It drags a little in OS X but seems faster OS 9. It should be able to do anything you need which is soley software based. If the DVD apps require some hardware decoding it may fall down there.

Overall, the speed seems adequate. If you are doing spreadsheets, wordprocessing and such it will be OK.
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post #19 of 30
In OS 9, VPC 5 seems faster than 4. I don't use the dynamically expanding HDs due to performance reasons.

I used VPC 1 on a PowerMac 7500/200 604e running Windows NT and Visual Studio 5 (I think) to do my Software Development/Senior Project in college. I use to do pushups and situps during full compiles (deleting objects and recompiling everything). I got in pretty damn good shape that semester...
post #20 of 30
I read somewhere that VPC 5 is optimised for Windows 2000 and XP, so you might (apparently) get better results from using either of those OSes. I'm getting XP tonight to try it out w/ VPX 5 under X. Hopefully there will be a noticeable difference.
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post #21 of 30
I used Visual Basic under VPC 3 all the time and never had a problem.

Was great for my class, I'd grab my laptop and go to friends houses to work on the programs.

VPC under X does seem pretty slow at the moment but under 9 it isn't too bad. I haven't spent enough time in X with VPC to see if I'll keep using it there.
post #22 of 30
How hard would it be for VCP to use the mac video card as the PC video card (rather than emulate it)?

If they could do that, then the GUI would be a lot faster, and that would leave more CPU time for doing processor stuff. How hard could it be, video cards on the mac and pc both lie either in AGP or PCI, and most modern video cards (GEForce, ATI) have PC drivers already. It seems like it wouldn't be that hard to do.

Anyone got any thoughts on this?
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I wouldn't excpect much from it buthere's something I found elseware.Sounds like it might really give vpc a boost and if you don't mind the hassle of entering command lines then cool. Haven't tried it,so can offer little assurance that it wouldn't screw things up despite how simple a fix it appears. Seems like another cool advantage of osx! The folowing was written by someone else.....


"Heres a fix i should have known about, seeing how i use this command all the time.

"VPC5 could be considered slow. But one has to consider that the UNIX 'Nice' level of VPC5 is 0. This does not give considerable priority to VPC5. Luckily, Mac OS X 10.1 introduced the 'renice' command to the OS. VPC5 can be made to run faster by completing the following:

1.\tOpen the terminal and type the following:

ps -auxw | grep Virtual

This will reveal the process number for the Virtual PC application.


2.\tReprioritize the process using the following command:

sudo renice &lt;nice&gt; &lt;pid&gt;

Where &lt;nice&gt; is an integer between 20 and -20 (the lower the number, the higher the priority.) and &lt;pid&gt; is the process ID you learned in step 1.

I typically use a nice level of -16. Performing these steps will speed up the emulation to a more usable level."
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post #25 of 30
renice-ing VPC doesn't make it any faster unless it's already being slowed down by other tasks. If VPC is the only app you're running, renice-ing it won't magically give it more processor than it already has available.
post #26 of 30
VPC and VPC 5 are optimized for G4. Don't buy VPC 5 if you own a G3. But if you have a G4 or (better) a dual G4 it will work fine.

I own VPC 5 , and i run it on my G4 533: i use it , for the software from micro application (or data baker) architect 3 D. The software works fine, except for 2 things : take time to launch, and very low speed for the 3D visualisation (the 3D acceleration is very weak in VPC : emulation of S3 64 video card.)

I read a test in A french Mac revue.
On a G4 450 with 256 mByte ram the speed is the equivalent of a P3 500 mhz. That was with VPC 4 on mac os 9.
VPC 5 works both on mac os X 10,1,2 and mac os 9,1 and superior. VPC 5 take in account dual processor under mac os X.
post #27 of 30
Under OS 9 VPC 5 is great for my needs. It is slightly slower than a PC (not the most demanding app that I use with VPC) but very usable.

Under OS X the app simply won't open. The entire thing is just too slow. VPC with OS X definitely needs help.

This is the one reason I would be annoyed to have OS 9 removed as a bootable system.

Edit: Forgot to mention under OS 9 VPC 5 seems slightly faster than its predecessors.

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post #28 of 30
Virtual PC 5 with Windows 98 is very slow on my Dual GHz G4 under X. I will install Windows 2000 when I find my CD to see if it runs better. I don't feel like booting into OS 9 just to speed test VPC though...
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I installed Windows 2000 and everything seems much faster...Amazing. Even live window dragging isn't too bad!
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