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post #1 of 269
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Looks like Katrina is the real deal. If anyone here lives in the New Orleans area, I'd suggest you get out now. We were watching the Weather Channel before, they said the only recorded storm with a lower air pressure was Camile. A category 5 coming in from due south can easily wipe New Orleans off the map, there was a story about that in National Geographic once.
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post #2 of 269
Hopefully everyone down there are taking appropriate precautions. Let's hope it weakens or shifts track.
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post #3 of 269
CNN Breaking News just said the mayor of N.O. just ordered a complete evacuation.
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post #4 of 269
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
CNN Breaking News just said the mayor of N.O. just ordered a complete evacuation.

To paraphrase one of my favorite Radiators song titles, it's a TOTAL EVACUATION.

Anyone and everyone in or around NOLA needs to get out now if they haven't already.
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post #5 of 269
My sister use to live in Harvey ( just across the river ) and any time they had a heavy rain the streets would flood. With Katrina coming in if the wind doesn't ruin most things the flooding will.

reg
post #6 of 269
I almost took ajob in NOrleans . . . . . it was a full time Tenure track job . . . . I didn't take it due to a temporary gig at a better school.

I often kicked myself for that . . .

but then again I merely have to remember why I didn't take the job: The city feels like you are in a toilet bowl!
They have to literally pump water out of it, and over the levy ring that surrounds the city 24/7
It an ugly miserable feeling town . . . . . High crime rate and rascism is still very present . . . and even with all that, its still extremely expensive . .
and to top it off, I read recently that 0ver 60% of every masquito in Louisiana is carrying West Nile Virus . . .

But really . . . . where will people from Farrgo go to party in the winter now?
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post #7 of 269
At least Hurricane Katrina is at the strongest its going be (hopefully) right now. Statistically, its most unlikely that its 175mph winds will hold up right up until landfall... and if any drier air to the north gets entrained into the system, it could weaken some. water vapor loop The region of strongest winds are some 50 miles across...thats just like an F3 tornado 50 miles in diameter

And hopefully, (for the sake for New Orleans), it will take its northward turn earlier than expected and pass to the east of the city, meaning that the strongest part of the system also avoids them, and the prevailing wind direction will be from the North, backing towards the West as the storm moves inland...ie offfshore, mitigating the effects of the surge. Wherever it hits is going to get severely damaged...lets hope its the least populated area along the Gulf Coast.

I just watched a scary interview on ABC... there are some 100,000+ people who cannot afford, or dont have the means to get out of the New Orleans area, those parts of the city that are below sea-level. The worst case scenario is almost unimaginably horrific... lets just hope that N.O dodges this bullet.

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post #8 of 269
All the above cons about Nahlens are true. Yet, despite all that, what a VIBRANT place. I lived in the Quarter for about three months in 1985. Wow, what an experience... Crawfish (suck those heads...) and soft shelled crab while listening to some sweet jazz in an open court, mmm.

The place is a sitting duck for a storm based disaster. That's if the termites don't do permanent damage first...
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post #9 of 269
I see the City of N.O. is planning to use the Superdome as an evacuation center... I wonder how a building like this would fare in 175 mph sustained winds (gusts to 210mph). If Katrina does hit the city with its current intensity (unlikely but not impossible)... who would venture a guess as to the risks of housing thousands of people in that one location. It's horrible thought, but if that building had a major structural failure during the storm....

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/nfc/Superdome.htm

ugh...
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post #10 of 269
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Originally posted by iPoster
Lthey said the only recorded storm with a lower air pressure was Camile.

The biggest storm was typhoon tip (870 mb, 200+ mph winds), Camille was 905 mb (the lower the pressure, the bigger the storm).

This one is 902mb, which seems pretty nasty to me, and is larger than Camille.

GILBERT (1988 ) 888 mb
UNNAMED (1935 ) 892 mb
ALLEN (1980 ) 899 mb
CAMILLE (1969 ) 905 mb
MITCH (1988 ) 905 mb
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post #11 of 269
I think the Superdome will be fine. The thing was probably built out of concrete and rebar, both of which could withstand some major winds. As for the roof, it might blow off, but I doubt officials will have anyone in the arena itself for that very reason. All in all, the building should make it even if it sustains major external damage from debris.
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post #12 of 269
The Superdome is rated for 200 MPH continuous winds.
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post #13 of 269
This whole thing is intense. I am hoping for the best, but it really does look pretty grim.

Well, Regardless of the ultimate severity, a lot of people's lives are about to be put through a blender, we can only hope they can recover...
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post #14 of 269
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Quote:
Originally posted by FormerLurker
The Superdome is rated for 200 MPH continuous winds.

True, found the following online (wiki):

Quote:
The Superdome is a massive structure located on 52 acres (210,000 m²) of land; the dome has an interior space of 125,000,000 ft³ (3,500,000 m²), a height of 253 feet (82.3 meters), a dome diameter of 680 feet (210 meters), and a total floor area of 269,000 ft² (25,000 m²), making it the largest domed structure in the world.

The Superdome is built to withstand catastrophes; the roof is built to stand up to 200 MPH wind and even deep flood water wouldn't reach the second level 35 feet from the ground. It has thus been used as an emergency shelter but is not designed for the task; in 1998 during Hurricane Georges problems included looting and supplying 14,000 people with necessities.

One thing I didn't know about it is, the roof literally holds the whole thing together, it holds the exterior walls from falling down....

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Contractors building the Superdome also found that it required efforts and techniques that were a bit out of the ordinary, especially in the construction of its roof. For this building, the largest clear span steel structure in the world (as attested to by the new Guinness Book of World Records) is literally held together by its roof. In its flying - saucer-shaped design , the walls of the Superdome literally hang (for want of more descriptive term) from the roof, with the force vectors at foundation level pointing away from the center.
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post #15 of 269
A statement from the National Weather Service in Slidell, near New Orleans, Louisiana, warned that much of the affected area "will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer."

Low-rise, wood-frame buildings will be destroyed, and concrete apartment buildings "will sustain major damage," it said.

"High-rise office and apartment buildings will sway dangerously, a few to the point of total collapse," the warning read.

"All windows will blow out. Airborne debris will be widespread, and may include heavy items such as household appliances and even light vehicles."

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post #16 of 269
Woo Boy...

I am currently hunkered down in Biloxi, waiting for hell to break loose... It's usually a bad sign when Weather Channel's Jim Cantore is stationed in your city... ack!

It already getting pretty stormy here.

I hope that Nawlins fairs okay, but unfortunately, I think we are going to bear the major brunt of this storm.

I am mostly concerned about our casinos here... as they are just not rated to withstand this kind of a storm... and they are extremely vital to our economy here.

Will try and post some pics as soon as I can (assuming we have power.)
post #17 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by SCARECROW
Woo Boy...

I am currently hunkered down in Biloxi, waiting for hell to break loose... It's usually a bad sign when Weather Channel's Jim Cantore is stationed in your city... ack!

It already getting pretty stormy here.

I hope that Nawlins fairs okay, but unfortunately, I think we are going to bear the major brunt of this storm.

I am mostly concerned about our casinos here... as they are just not rated to withstand this kind of a storm... and they are extremely vital to our economy here.

Will try and post some pics as soon as I can (assuming we have power.)

good luck
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--George W Bush

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--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #18 of 269
My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in Katrina's path. I can't imagine what is about to happen.
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post #19 of 269
It's going to be Lake New Orleans tomorrow. Just look at this cross section:



post #20 of 269
They are officially predicting 50-75 percent of NO underwater!

post #21 of 269
Dear god. Been on the phone with family in MS all day. Hunker down, folks. The only thing we can be sure of is that the entire gulf coast will be in the stone ages for a few weeks after tomorrow.

Jesus, I'm going to miss NO.
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post #22 of 269
Man, I'm tearing up as I write this. It's such a beautiful, strange, degenerate, glorious city. The most sweetest spring I ever spent was in NO.

If what I'm reading is anywhere near correct, they're more or less talking about New Orleans being wiped off the map.

Some of the descriptions of the possible devastation are completely apocalyptic.

80% of structures destroyed, the city under 25 feet of burning, toxics laden water, the surviviors who have managed to get on something high having to compete with fire ants and snakes.....

I don't think I can take this in. I hope and pray that it won't be this bad.
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post #23 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by iPoster
True, found the following online (wiki):



One thing I didn't know about it is, the roof literally holds the whole thing together, it holds the exterior walls from falling down....

that's basically the point of a dome
post #24 of 269
Now less than 8 hours from...well, hell on earth...I find one thing more disturbing than all the rest:

The lack of a positive spin on what could happen. I have seen absolutely nothing along the lines of, "New Orleans would get lucky if Katrina..." or "it could end up being not so bad if Katrina manages to..."

Nothing but various degrees of bad.

It was also a bit disheartening when I was watching TV footage Sunday. CNN interviewed some of the people who were staying in NO because they didn't have transportation out, and I was wondering if the interviewee would be dead in 24 hours.

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post #25 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by Bronxite
that's basically the point of a dome

I thought the point of a dome was to eliminate the need for internal pillars to hold up the ceiling. Same principle as archways.
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post #26 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by CosmoNut
I thought the point of a dome was to eliminate the need for internal pillars to hold up the ceiling. Same principle as archways.

that and all the walls bear the support. and a unique feature is the equillibrium makes it also support the walls
post #27 of 269
CNN is reporting now that the roof is starting to peel off the SD.
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post #28 of 269
Just to add a little levity, there's this.

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SHEPARD SMITH: Youre live on FOX News Channel, what are you doing?

MAN IN NEW ORLEANS: Walking my dogs.

SMITH: Why are you still here? I'm just curious.

MAN: None of your fucking business.
post #29 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by BRussell
Just to add a little levity, there's this.

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #30 of 269
Good info about the situation in the Superdome here:
http://www.nola.com/newsflash/louisi...list=louisiana

Good info about the overall NOLA situation here:
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/weather/
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post #31 of 269
I was just listening to a grim account by Mark Bello on CNN (Monday evening)... He was witnessing the rescue operation going down in a 20 square mile region of metropolitan New Orleans which is flooded, with many houses under water to the eaves. He mentioned the possibility of maybe 1000-2000 casualties, people who may have drowned in their homes, including many handicapped folk who might have been trapped as the water suddenly rose
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post #32 of 269
And of all places, New Orleans. Truly sad.
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post #33 of 269
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Originally posted by sammi jo
I was just listening to a grim account by Mark Bello on CNN (Monday evening)... He was witnessing the rescue operation going down in a 20 square mile region of metropolitan New Orleans which is flooded, with many houses under water to the eaves. He mentioned the possibility of maybe 1000-2000 casualties, people who may have drowned in their homes, including many handicapped folk who might have been trapped as the water suddenly rose

I don't think casualties will be anywhere near that bad. Of course, the potential is there but I have a feeling that most got out of there and the rest found high ground. But, again, the potential is certainly there although I think we'd be hearing about a lot more deaths by now if it were true.

The situation seems to be worsening for New Orleans as well. There is going to need to be an unprecedented cleanup after the water goes away. Unbelievable
post #34 of 269
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Originally posted by Bronxite
I don't think casualties will be anywhere near that bad. Of course, the potential is there but I have a feeling that most got out of there and the rest found high ground. But, again, the potential is certainly there although I think we'd be hearing about a lot more deaths by now if it were true.

The situation seems to be worsening for New Orleans as well. There is going to need to be an unprecedented cleanup after the water goes away. Unbelievable

Friend here that used to live there are saying that they are hearing very little news about the area. They say that worries them.
post #35 of 269
The phone infrastructure (both cell and land) is out for Slidell and I think Bay St. Louis. No word getting in or out. Very bad.
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post #36 of 269
After so many survived the hurricane itself, a major levee broke last night, and what was dry after the hurricane (such as the French Quarter), is now underwater and rising.

I don't think thousands of casualties is out of the range of possibility.
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post #37 of 269
Gesh, first chance I got to look at net. Worst environment imaginable. I work for a hospital and the patients are flowing in. Last night was an all nighter and lots off looting. My phone is just now working for first time. We had to go to manual procedures. Large fiber line got snapped so all out T1's were down.
post #38 of 269
Its an environmental nightmare also. The water now flooding 80%+ of New Orleans is getting mixed with petrochemicals, refuse, toxic household and garden chemicals, bacteria, you name it... a filthy poisonous soup. How long is it going to take to get the city cleaned out and detoxified before any sort of reconstruction starts?

Also, as regards the potential death toll.... CNN just broadcasted an aerial video of the Gulfport, Biloxi area and the coastal parts of Mississippi and Alabama which got hit by the eastern eyewall, the most violent part of the hurricane... unbelievable damage to property, houses literally reduced to matchwood. If anyone was trying to ride out the storm in any of those houses, they didn't stand a chance.

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post #39 of 269
I wonder what happened to SCARECROW. Biloxi was utterly destoyed.
post #40 of 269
Apple should post a help the Katrina victims button for donations using oneclick. Put the button on the Apple homepage and the ITMS.

Apple did so with the tsunami relief effort and should do the same for those who need our help in the USA.

I posted this as a new thread in the General Discussion Forum.

To Donate to relief efforts.

www.redcross.org
www.salvationarmyusa.org/
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