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post #41 of 269
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Originally posted by mrtwistor
I wonder what happened to SCARECROW. Biloxi was utterly destoyed.

Yeah.
I hope he's OK.

*crosses fingers and waits for another scarecrow post*
post #42 of 269
Is there a doctor in the house? Help me out here.

From the Wahington Post:

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It is likely to be weeks before the health consequences of Hurricane Katrina are known. But recent experience with similar natural disasters in the United States suggests that most deaths will have occurred when people trapped in automobiles drowned, that many survivors have minor injuries, and that large-scale outbreaks of disease will not occur.

In particular, epidemics of cholera and typhoid sometimes seen in the developing world when drinking water becomes contaminated are impossible because the microbes are not present in the population.

OK, small favors, cholera and typhoid are ruled out.

But, from Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt, via CNN:

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"We are gravely concerned about the potential for cholera, typhoid and dehydrating diseases that could come as a result of the stagnant water and the conditions," Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said Wednesday after announcing the emergency.

Uh........ so which is it? Anybody know?
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post #43 of 269
If it takes more than a couple of weeks to completely evacuate the remaining people in the NO metro area, count on dysentery.

I can't watch this coverage anymore. Every time it's on I just want to vomit.
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post #44 of 269
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Originally posted by midwinter
If it takes more than a couple of weeks to completely evacuate the remaining people in the NO metro area, count on dysentery.

I can't watch this coverage anymore. Every time it's on I just want to vomit.

I know.

There's an unreal quality to it, as if nobody can quite wrap their heads around the vastness of what's happening.

You keep hearing "the water is still rising in NO", but I don't think anybody can really say what that means.
They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.
They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.
post #45 of 269
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Originally posted by addabox
I know.

There's an unreal quality to it, as if nobody can quite wrap their heads around the vastness of what's happening.

You keep hearing "the water is still rising in NO", but I don't think anybody can really say what that means.

My mother just told me that in my hometown, which is about 400 miles due north of Gulfport/Biloxi, is running out of gasoline. The Jackson paper is running alerts notifying people of where they can buy it.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #46 of 269
just horrible......

and look what bush has to say:

"I would love to give you federal aid, unfortunately for you all our recourses are being used in Iraq installing an Islamic regime..."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...7/ai_n10176537

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/28/105541/380



unbelievable.......

i know that this was going to be a terrible situation but i cant help but think utter devastation and chaos could have somehow been prevented. why arent they gettin out to the levees to fix them as soon as they break?
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post #47 of 269
I am trying to avoid politicizing this right now. America just got about a million new homeless people with nothingnothing. No jobs. No homes. No possessions. Dead family members. No mail. No way to pay the bills. No pieces to pick up.

Those who aren't homeless are either lucky or soon to be dead.

I'll politicize later, maybe when everyone is evacuated or when Lake Ponchartrain is finished drowning New Orleans and the levees are rebuilt or when all that water is pumped out or all those bodies found and removed or all the houses torn down or all the power and water and gas and phone lines rebuilt and all the interstates and highways and roads rebuilt.

I'll politicize then.

Tony Snow turned the tsunami into a crap statement about global warming and came off as a real heartless bastard, and he got called on it by Limbaugh's listeners.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
Gangs are not seen as legitimate, because they don't have control over public schools.
post #48 of 269
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Originally posted by TigerWoods99
just horrible......

and look what bush has to say:

"I would love to give you federal aid, unfortunately for you all our recourses are being used in Iraq installing an Islamic regime..."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...7/ai_n10176537

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/28/105541/380



unbelievable.......

i know that this was going to be a terrible situation but i cant help but think utter devastation and chaos could have somehow been prevented. why arent they gettin out to the levees to fix them as soon as they break?

leave politics out of this. even if that had been funded the city would have been fucked. it's below sea level surrounded by water and a category 4/5 hurricane hit it. you do the math.

seriously, you have to be really pathetic to immediately jump to politics when a disaster such as this strikes. rather than trying to blame someone for a natural disaster why dont you focus your efforts on something more productive for the situation
post #49 of 269
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Originally posted by midwinter
I am trying to avoid politicizing this right now. America just got about a million new homeless people with nothingnothing. No jobs. No homes. No possessions. Dead family members. No mail. No way to pay the bills. No pieces to pick up.

That is a little overly dramatic - all of the businesses and most of the people will be reimbursed by their insurance, and they will re-build a cleaner, newer version of New Orleans. Since morgage lenders require home insurance, the only people that lose everything are ones that rent without insurance, or own their home outright without insurance - the second category would be very few people.
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post #50 of 269
Statement by the Prime Minister on the Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina

Prime Minister Paul Martin today issued the following statement concerning the tragic results of Hurricane Katrina:

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"Like all Canadians, I am distressed by the destruction and loss of life wrought by Hurricane Katrina. On behalf of the Government of Canada and all Canadians, I offer our sincere condolences to the American people. During this most difficult time, Canada stands with you, and we are ready to provide whatever support you may require in the days, weeks and months ahead. "Even before the enormity of the devastation became clear, I asked Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan to lead the Government of Canada's response to any requests for assistance. We are continuing to monitor the situation closely. I know that she and a number of her Cabinet colleagues have been in touch with their American counterparts and have begun to determine what assistance Canada can offer. We have made it clear that we are prepared to offer any and all possible assistance, and we will continue to work closely with our neighbours as they deal with this terrible event."
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post #51 of 269
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Originally posted by e1618978
That is a little overly dramatic - all of the businesses and most of the people will be reimbursed by their insurance, and they will re-build a cleaner, newer version of New Orleans. Since morgage lenders require home insurance, the only people that lose everything are ones that rent without insurance, or own their home outright without insurance - the second category would be very few people.

I suggest that you spend more than a 2 day vacation in New Orleans before you go talking about stuff like that. And it might help if you take a good, hard look at the houses that have been destroyed and the people who are refugees. Seriously.


You might also ask yourself this: sure, they'll rebuild. But what are they going to do in the meantime?

To which I should add: the gulf coast's economy took thirty years to recover from Camille in '69.
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post #52 of 269
my wife and i got out on sunday to hammond. we live in covington north of the lake and i work in new orleans. we returned the day after the storm to our house -- barely -- to find covington and the north shore a war zone, but very little loss of life (i can't speak for slidell, though, which appears to be under water). all of eastern new orleans and eastern st. tammany parish is either detsroyed, underwater, or both. do you have any idea how many working people cannot work anymore for any one of a thousand reasons now? the cascade effect of this disaster on the already pathetic economy of louisiana is downright scary.

all phone service is down in southern louisiana. period. cell phones, everything. we left for my brother-in-law's in houston yesterday to get phone contact and to geta visual on what we had been hearing in the news. we also had no power, water, phones, or strong enough equipment (a la chainsaw) to take care of the crushign amount of damage around our property. plus we smelled gas on our street, and downed powerlines in our front yard. we plan to go back as soon as we assemble some supplies to take care of the damage. if there is anyone reading this post and worried about anyone north of the lake, it is very likely that if they are in mandeville or covington, they are alive and well, though terribly shaken, ad possibly with minimal or massive property damage. we promised to make a phone call for a neighbor to a family member once we got phone service past baton rouge to let them know that they were alive and well.

new orleans is literally destroyed folks. the amount of devastation to so many poor people in that city is inconceivable. people stayed because they had no money to go anywhere, or no vehicles. (yes, there were a few "i'll ride it out" fools, but the majority truly had nowhere to go, and now they have nowhere to stay). and to anyone else outside this region, this storm went from run-of-the-mill summer 'cane to biblical LITERALLY overnight. usually we could see these things coming up across cuba for days, but this was on us in 48 hours.

my wife and i are so lucky to have what we have. our house still stands, and is still structurally sound (though with a bit more, um, "ventilation"). my business will be attempting to start up again from donated remote offices and at-home internet and on-site work with our clients.

but new orleans, well, i'm not much of a religious person, but my god...
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Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

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When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #53 of 269
We're all thinking about y'all. Stay safe.
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post #54 of 269
Nice to know you made it Rok!
Good luck.
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post #55 of 269
Great to hear from you, rok - glad you fared better than so many. The firsthand details and perspective you shared are appreciated.
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post #56 of 269
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Originally posted by e1618978
That is a little overly dramatic - all of the businesses and most of the people will be reimbursed by their insurance, and they will re-build a cleaner, newer version of New Orleans. Since morgage lenders require home insurance, the only people that lose everything are ones that rent without insurance, or own their home outright without insurance - the second category would be very few people.

I saw on CNN that floods are usually not covered in most insurance plans.
post #57 of 269
I'm sure a lot of people blame Bush. It's all his fault. Global warming caused this disaster. Of course there's only talk of global warming in the summer when it's hot as hell, and not in the winter when there's a few feet of snow on the ground, but I don't care. Global warming killed those people and the people in southeast asia from the tsunami.

And all those suv's guzzling all that fuel are driving our country to hell in a handbasket. We all brought in on ourselves, people.



Of course I'm kidding. This is some of the mentality I've heard lately. Amazing isn't it?

And my thoughts and prayers are with you all.
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post #58 of 269
If you live in a flood plain the insurance companies make you get flood insurance. Now the amount that you are covered for is dependant on how much extra you pay and how it is written in. Most do not cover replacement cost. Therefore many people will get some money but not near enough to rebuild or replace lost or destoyed property. Many will not have income or even be allowed to return to their residence for weeks or months and normal business will be out even longer ( if they don't relocate ). I foresee many people just leaving the area and the entire area starting from scratch. It is all very sad.

reg
post #59 of 269
Can someone show how big an area that has been hit? Like link to a google map and explain how large an area of devastation we are talking about? I really don´t have any idea...
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post #60 of 269
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Originally posted by Anders
Can someone show how big an area that has been hit? Like link to a google map and explain how large an area of devastation we are talking about? I really don´t have any idea...

I know, for all the coverage it's surprisingly hard to get a handle on what the actual situation is, isn't it.

NYT has a pretty good graphic here.

Shows the relationship of the levee system to the flooded areas.
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post #61 of 269
I'm noticing that a lot of the news coverage, and even more discussion boards of various persuasions, are focusing on "looting" as somehow being the big problem. There is a lot of frankly lurid talk of how "lawlessness" has set in, and how "roving bands" are running free.

I won't speculate on the motive for this, but nevertheless:

Looting is not the problem. This is a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions. Removing anyone who remains alive, housing and feeding them and providing medical care is the problem, now and for the foreseeable future.

Against the terribleness of what has been lost some stolen VCRs are as nothing.

Sorry, this has been really bothering me.
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post #62 of 269
Yeah, steal a VCR. Plug it in to an outlet with no power...
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post #63 of 269
The news are terrible. There is certainly some AI member here who has suffer this terrible storm.
My best wishes are with them


Agains the power of nature, humans are nothing
post #64 of 269
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Originally posted by Anders
Can someone show how big an area that has been hit? Like link to a google map and explain how large an area of devastation we are talking about? I really don´t have any idea...

These pictures are from the Nasa Earth Observatory website:

post #65 of 269
Anders: Lake Pontchartrain is about 40 miles by 25 miles.
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post #66 of 269
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Originally posted by reg
If you live in a flood plain the insurance companies make you get flood insurance. Now the amount that you are covered for is dependant on how much extra you pay and how it is written in. Most do not cover replacement cost. Therefore many people will get some money but not near enough to rebuild or replace lost or destoyed property. Many will not have income or even be allowed to return to their residence for weeks or months and normal business will be out even longer ( if they don't relocate ). I foresee many people just leaving the area and the entire area starting from scratch. It is all very sad.

reg

hey folks, thanks for the well-wishes. sorry i couldn't reply last night, but we had to get some sleep.

re: insurance, many who buy houses are required to have some sort of insurance, but just like fly-by-night auto-insurers who prey on the poor who need to own a car, there are many equivalent housing insurers who do the same, which give the home owners some sort of paper to show proof of insurance to buy a house, but when the clims come, the coverage folks have gone bankrupt from payouts or have fled. and this doesn't even cover those people in new orleans public housing (though that housing was its own hell on earth for decades).

and many are under the misconception that insurance = instant check in pocket. people may be waiting months for money. that's months before you can attend to repairs/replacement. where do you live until then? how do you pull in a paycheck? especially when everyone there is to work has been closed due to the hurricane, and there's no way INTO the biggest population center in the area? i think mardi gras glossed over the incredible poverty problem and class-differential that has existed in new orleans for a long time. even fema et al. depend on local contractors to help with the cleanup. well, guess what. a HELL of a lot of them lived in slidell and commuted around the basin to do work. slidell is underwater, and those contractors have either feld and are being told to stay away, or they perished in the flood.

do you see the deadly domino effect here?

re: causes and blames, i just can't bring myself to do it much. i have to say, though, being in the middle of it, it pisses me off to hear paula zahn and anderson cooper try to force someone they are interviewing into a verbal corner and admit they don't know what to do. listen, folks, this is kinda unprecedented. even the army corps of engineers is silently saying "f*ck me" under their collective breaths. they had decades to create this system, and now they're being asked to resurrect it overnight with no help from local labor (see above). and anyone who reads these boards knows i am no w fan, but sh!t-damn, to have boh sept. 11th AND this happen under my watch? this certainly should affect every election for decades to come because it takes one hell of an individual to become the mouthpiece and scapegoat for all of this tragedy, while still trying to coordinate fixing the aftermaths. i do not envy the man and the task at hand, or anyone in elected positions in the region.

everyone here in louisiana, though, wishes there had still been some wetlands left. i believe we were losing them at the rate of 24 miles PER DAY before this happened. to the uninitiated, the wetlands would have acted as an enormous shock absorber to storm surge, and even winds. i remember growing up in florida, and they had this tank of water on our field trips to the science center to show why the everglades are important, and as a kid, i never understood, but now i do. they pushed this board in the water to simulate a storm surge in a bare tank, and, of course, the wave hits the opposite side of the tank at full force. fill that same tank with reeds, like bristles of a brush, and the collective force of those millions of tiny strands eats that surge for breakfast. and i have lived 20 of my 30 years on this palent on the gulf coast, and everyone agrees in casual conversation and on the radio that global warming has got to have something to do with this. the cat 5 hurricanes are coming annually now, when it would've take years in between for when i was growing up. katrina exploded when it hit the gulf and 85-90 degree waters and weak rain fronts and no wetlands that would otherwise shear it down to a cat 4 or 3. we have, over the past decades, maybe 100 years, slowly created the recipe for this disaster. and it has to be fixed soon. hell, we still have a months before THIS season is over. what if another 'cane hits the gulf coast??? i dunno, maybe you pay attention tot his stuff more when it keeps beating the crap out of you year after year.

simply put, the wetlands wouldn't have stopped katrina, but they sure as hell would've helped. now grand isle louisiana is likely gone -- like forever. the barrier island and claw you see coming off the end of the mississippi from satellite has, as some on local radio stations have said, been "reclaimed by the gulf". in other words, so much instant erosion AND 20-30 feet of water on top for the next few weeks, well, you'll probably never see those areas of louisiana from satellite again in your lifetime.

the mosquito problem is about to take on biblical plague proportions as well down there. we already have nasty mosquitoes anyway, but with that much standing water? you can't fumigate that much water for larvae without causing sickness from the fumigation. and i have no idea where to pump all of this water. if you pump it back into the lake or the river or gulf, you'll have the quivalent of an oil spill of enormous magnitude, coupled with a fantastic assortment of garbage and whatnot from the streets of new orleans, a city so dirty that the mayor started a campaign last year to get people to stop desecrating the city with a campaign "new orleans -- imagine it clean."

again, this disaster is beyond comprehension. and while we have to clean up and rebuild, we also have to take a look at the 7000 things that we did wrong that led to this moment and, given the opportunity to rebuild from scratch, make sure they don't happen again.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

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When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

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post #67 of 269
question: can anyone get through .mac mail right now?i keep trying to log onto .mac via apple's website, but i can't get through, and it's my only access to a colleague at this point. it would not surprise me that it's overloaded from communications right now, but i can't be certain.
When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

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When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

-...
post #68 of 269
Slow as molasses here. I can get through, but I have to wait an eternity.
post #69 of 269
This is absolutely disgusting:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/0...act/index.html


I can't believe this at all. This is indicative of what this country has become, and is becoming.
post #70 of 269
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Originally posted by Bronxite
leave politics out of this. even if that had been funded the city would have been fucked. it's below sea level surrounded by water and a category 4/5 hurricane hit it. you do the math.

seriously, you have to be really pathetic to immediately jump to politics when a disaster such as this strikes. rather than trying to blame someone for a natural disaster why dont you focus your efforts on something more productive for the situation

im not even.....

of course i damn well realize the city was hit by a category 4 hurricane and being that nawlins is below sea level it would get flooded. but you know what fam? the hurricane itself didnt destroy and kill these people. flood waters did. i posted that link because its fuckin disgusting that aid could be CUT to new orleans and spent on fighting wars overseas when weather people warned that an event like this could spell catastrophy. everyone knew that, but where were the improvements being made to see that a CATASTROPHY OF THE WHOLE CITY FLOODING was prevented? the whole city would have been fucked despite funding? to an extent. but where were the people on stand-by to start repairing breeched levees as soon as the storm passed over? where were the national guard on stand-by to go into NO? where has FEMA been? we wanna fix other countries and cant fix home yet? now they are enforcing martial law and more concerned about looters than actually helping people down there first. yea, lets shoot someone for stealin a piece of bread when they got absolutely nothing now instead of trying to save everyone still in that toxen infested lake (cant even call it a city nomore).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/ go watch the video and read the article then come back and tell me how "pathetic" i really am for "jumping to politics". im callin the shots how i see em.

another thing that pisses me off. was watchin one of the news stations last night and there was this little girl standin on top of a car in the flooded street with her dad while a news crew in a boat are filming shes sayin "help us. help please please help us". i mean....the news just sittin there exposing people's misfortunes and cant even throw them a rope or somethin to help them? same with filming people on roof tops.


nobody sayin that bush ordered a hurricane or somethin silly like that, we all know that global warming causes this. what i'm sayin is that bush doesnt give a fuck about poor people. no one really gives a fuck about poor people. when i read on the web, watch the news stations, etc.......it seriously brings me to tears this shit.

if you're mad i called your homeboy george w. out then too bad.
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post #71 of 269
Digital Globe has huge 4k x 4k pixel jpegs (3MB each) at 2.4 meter resolution of NOLA
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post #72 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by TigerWoods99
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/ go watch the video

Wow. OMG
post #73 of 269
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Originally posted by TigerWoods99
snip.

I'll respond to your idiotic post later but for now I pose this question...

Would you care as much if all these people were white?

Also, would you be more critical of the people themselves?
post #74 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by TigerWoods99
im not even.....

of course i damn well realize the city was hit by a category 4 hurricane and being that nawlins is below sea level it would get flooded. but you know what fam? the hurricane itself didnt destroy and kill these people. flood waters did. i posted that link because its fuckin disgusting that aid could be CUT to new orleans and spent on fighting wars overseas when weather people warned that an event like this could spell catastrophy. everyone knew that, but where were the improvements being made to see that a CATASTROPHY OF THE WHOLE CITY FLOODING was prevented? the whole city would have been fucked despite funding? to an extent. but where were the people on stand-by to start repairing breeched levees as soon as the storm passed over? where were the national guard on stand-by to go into NO? where has FEMA been? we wanna fix other countries and cant fix home yet? now they are enforcing martial law and more concerned about looters than actually helping people down there first. yea, lets shoot someone for stealin a piece of bread when they got absolutely nothing now instead of trying to save everyone still in that toxen infested lake (cant even call it a city nomore).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/ go watch the video and read the article then come back and tell me how "pathetic" i really am for "jumping to politics". im callin the shots how i see em.

another thing that pisses me off. was watchin one of the news stations last night and there was this little girl standin on top of a car in the flooded street with her dad while a news crew in a boat are filming shes sayin "help us. help please please help us". i mean....the news just sittin there exposing people's misfortunes and cant even throw them a rope or somethin to help them? same with filming people on roof tops.


nobody sayin that bush ordered a hurricane or somethin silly like that, we all know that global warming causes this. what i'm sayin is that bush doesnt give a fuck about poor people. no one really gives a fuck about poor people. when i read on the web, watch the news stations, etc.......it seriously brings me to tears this shit.

if you're mad i called your homeboy george w. out then too bad.

You are calling out your own unreasonableness.

You are suggesting that we don't spend money on anything just because something bad might happen.

So therefore let's cancel spending on roads and highways and oil production and border control and water purification. Let just spend all that money on suring up levees and dams and bridges and placing equipment all across the US specifically for emergencies, because you know - something bad might happen, somewhere.



The current levee system was built to withstand a Cat3 storm, because of time and money constraints. A project to update the the 350 miles of levies and dikes and locks would take 20 years or more to complete. So no amount of funding or money would have helped the current situation in NOLA. It will take years just to get the levees back to operational at the Cat3 level. The war in Iraq will have long been over by then, so that connection is just stupid.

if you're mad I called you out then too bad.
post #75 of 269
OMG, what in the FUCK is the government doing? Is it because everyone left is black and poor - is that why they don't care?
post #76 of 269
Quote:
Originally posted by the cool gut
OMG, what in the FUCK is the government doing? Is it because everyone left is black and poor - is that why they don't care?

That is just racist to the max.

I am not sure where you're getting your information, but there is an unprecidented amount of aid on the way there.

You seriously need to readjust your outlook, friend.
post #77 of 269
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Originally posted by NaplesX
That is just racist to the max.

I am not sure where you're getting your information, but there is an unprecidented amount of aid on the way there.

Don't give me that shit - it's been nearly 5 fucking days. If this was New York or L.A. you could be sure the response would have been much more swift.

They have been running computer simulations for years, and everyone knew the devastating affect of a level 4 or 5 hurricane on the region.
post #78 of 269
I just saw this on The Register -- a hosting company in a downtown New Orleans high-rise.

And it's still FRELLING running!

anyway, the guys are having to deal with some pretty hairy conditions.

here's a quote from their blog:
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It's been a very long day. I'm going to crash for a bit and try to get 5 hours or so of sleep. I apologize again that I cannot respond to each IM. I am trying. We've got that IRC channel going and I'll try to get in there for a while later in the day.
I am going to debrief the police officer completely in the morning. He was utterly fatigued, thirsty, and wanted to find out what the hell was really going on.
Security has become a major concern now, because the NOPD is ineffective and the looters terrorists are roaming the streets. Word is now that they're lighting buildings on fire, but I can't confirm that. Anyway, we have to run guard shifts and patrol and it limits our downtime.
It is a zoo out there though, make no mistake. It's the wild kingdom. It's Lord of the Flies. That doesn't mean there's murder on every street corner. But what it does mean is that the rule of law has collapsed, that there is no order, and that property rights cannot and are not being enforced. Anyone who is on the streets is in immediate danger of being robbed and killed. It's that bad.
I will be back on around 0700 or so I think.

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

In our desire to impose form on the world we have lost the capacity to see the form that is there;
and in that lies not liberation but alienation, the cutting off from things as they really are. --...

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OMG, what in the FUCK is the government doing? Is it because everyone left is black and poor - is that why they don't care?

Especially after seeing that video from around the convention center it's hard not to start asking those questions. With people dead and dying, there is no excuse. The violence isn't even an excuse at this point.
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FEMA director mike brown on CNN just said that the federal gov't didn't even know about the people at the convention center until TODAY.

It's important to note, however, that they have to deal with an absolutely huge number of people. Getting them out of there is not going to be easy.
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