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post #81 of 269
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Don't give me that shit - it's been nearly 5 fucking days. If this was New York or L.A. you could be sure the response would have been much more swift.

They have been running computer simulations for years, and everyone knew the devastating affect of a level 4 or 5 hurricane on the region.

Man you are dense.

The evacuation plan was to take 3 days, not the two that they had!

The scope of the rescue is huge. Just open your eyes. 100,000 people there, fires everywhere, water covering 85% of the city, roaming gangs of gunmen, looters and on and on and on. There only a few roads into the area.

Let's just be real for a little while, please.
post #82 of 269
video on the scene shows that more needs to be done.
post #83 of 269
can't get it to work.
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post #84 of 269
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Originally posted by pfflam
can't get it to work.

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post #85 of 269
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Originally posted by Gene Clean

If your trying to get MSN videos to play, I know that MSNBC site videos do not play on a mac.

I am not sure about MSN, but I'm sure it is the same MS tactic. I try not to visit any site that has MS in the name fro that reason.
post #86 of 269
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Originally posted by NaplesX
Man you are dense.

The evacuation plan was to take 3 days, not the two that they had!

The scope of the rescue is huge. Just open your eyes. 100,000 people there, fires everywhere, water covering 85% of the city, roaming gangs of gunmen, looters and on and on and on. There only a few roads into the area.

Let's just be real for a little while, please.

Stop being a retard. I you trying to pretend to be a complete fucking idiot? How hard is it to air drop water and food?
post #87 of 269
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Stop being a retard. I you trying to pretend to be a complete fucking idiot? How hard is it to air drop water and food?

Not hard when your not being shot at or trying to air rescue countless numbers of humans.

However right now it's real hard.
post #88 of 269
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Originally posted by NaplesX
I am not sure about MSN

Well, then maybe you should read gene's post (you quoted, after all) instead of giving us an unwanted op-ed on your browsing habits.
post #89 of 269
I keep thinking that hopefully this will lead to better emergency preparedness in the future. The fact that we are this far into the whole thing without aid for these people is unacceptable.

I also find it hard to believe that they can't use choppers to bring in food and water to these people. We've had choppers flying over urban war zones for decades. People are dying in the street and their bodies are being left to rot ... in the United States
post #90 of 269
I keep wondering whether some kind of economy has emerged in the rubble of NO. I started wondering as I watched people looting things that just didn't make any senseTVs and whatnot. All it would take is for a gang to take over a Schweggman's (grocery store) and force people to barter for goods.

Has anyone heard anything?
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post #91 of 269
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Originally posted by Bronxite
I'll respond to your idiotic post later but for now I pose this question...

Would you care as much if all these people were white?

Also, would you be more critical of the people themselves?

first off, where the hell did i mention anything about white or black or whatever skin color someone is in my post?

second, i'd LOVE to hear your response to me pointing out given information since i'm so "idiotic" according to you.

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Originally posted by NaplesX
That is just racist to the max.

I am not sure where you're getting your information, but there is an unprecidented amount of aid on the way there.

if you want to bring up racism, i'll go ahead and do it:





Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)


news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1




A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)


news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530


those are all DIRECT QUOTES from the media. why are the black folk "looters" while the white people just happen to "find" food? we knew the media was already racist though.

i'm sure as hell willin to believe that it doesnt help new orleans is a predominantly black city.

theres no excuse for this crap period. wheres FEMA? where was the aid to the superdome? if buses (days after) can arrive then obviously help can be sent. obviously if they can get there everyone else can. the superdome is dry and obviously these vehicles can drive in and out of the city still. its all well that there are federal grants being porposed yada yada but what needs to be done is GETTING EVERYONE THE HELL OUT OF THERE. that CAN be done and IS NOT BEING DONE. instead of spending money to fix things in NO and prevent much of the disaster from occuring or getting help to that city IMMEDIATELY, it is cut and we go fight a war in iraq because the bush regime "thought" saddam had WMDs. oops, guess that never worked out huh.

where's bush? oh, here he is !





caption: President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/ABC News, Martha Raddatz).

heaven forbid dubya had to take off from his vacation!

there are many efforts and many many great & courageous firefighters, volunteers, rescue workers doing what they can and i applaud them for that. those people are the true heroes. what im sayin though is look at all the news available and what isnt being done. we live in the so called richest country in the world, the so-called u.s. of a. yet we cant get these people all the help they need. if you cant see my train of thought you are a dimwit, simple as that.:
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post #92 of 269
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Originally posted by TigerWoods99
there are many efforts and many many great & courageous firefighters, volunteers, rescue workers doing what they can and i applaud them for that. those people are the true heroes. what im sayin though is look at all the news available and what isnt being done. we live in the so called richest country in the world, the so-called u.s. of a. yet we cant get these people all the help they need. if you cant see my train of thought you are a dimwit, simple as that.:

That was a great rant.

The thing you are obviously missing is money means nothing in this kind of situation - nada.

You can ride in on a moneytruck and it won't feed anyone unless they can digest paper and ink and it wont quench anyones thirst.

You need people and equipment there on the ground. You can't get them there effectively until the water is gone. You can't make the waters go away until they fix the breaches in the levees. They have to rescue people that are stranded. Thay can't do that if they are at risk of being killed while doing it. They need to get more people on the ground but we also need those people to help rescue other people. It is a catch 22 all around, there's no way around it. One thing depends on the next.

I don't know how to break it to you. Money is not the issue here.
post #93 of 269
Niteline on NBC is outlining the ridiculous situation the criminal element is exposing everyone to.

Sick bastards.
post #94 of 269
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post #95 of 269
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Originally posted by TigerWoods99
first off, where the hell did i mention anything about white or black or whatever skin color someone is in my post?

second, i'd LOVE to hear your response to me pointing out given information since i'm so "idiotic" according to you.



if you want to bring up racism, i'll go ahead and do it:





Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)


news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1




A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)


news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530


those are all DIRECT QUOTES from the media. why are the black folk "looters" while the white people just happen to "find" food? we knew the media was already racist though.

i'm sure as hell willin to believe that it doesnt help new orleans is a predominantly black city.

theres no excuse for this crap period. wheres FEMA? where was the aid to the superdome? if buses (days after) can arrive then obviously help can be sent. obviously if they can get there everyone else can. the superdome is dry and obviously these vehicles can drive in and out of the city still. its all well that there are federal grants being porposed yada yada but what needs to be done is GETTING EVERYONE THE HELL OUT OF THERE. that CAN be done and IS NOT BEING DONE. instead of spending money to fix things in NO and prevent much of the disaster from occuring or getting help to that city IMMEDIATELY, it is cut and we go fight a war in iraq because the bush regime "thought" saddam had WMDs. oops, guess that never worked out huh.

where's bush? oh, here he is !





caption: President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/ABC News, Martha Raddatz).

heaven forbid dubya had to take off from his vacation!

there are many efforts and many many great & courageous firefighters, volunteers, rescue workers doing what they can and i applaud them for that. those people are the true heroes. what im sayin though is look at all the news available and what isnt being done. we live in the so called richest country in the world, the so-called u.s. of a. yet we cant get these people all the help they need. if you cant see my train of thought you are a dimwit, simple as that.:

can you please stop posting. you are about 2 days behind in news and your "revelations"

you are black. you are only this upset because it is happening to black people and you wont admit that black people are going nuts. it's the white man's fault.

you are being racist, as you always are.


how's that girlfriend doing btw?
post #96 of 269
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Originally posted by giant
FEMA director mike brown on CNN just said that the federal gov't didn't even know about the people at the convention center until TODAY.

i have been watchign amid trying to contact friends, and allow me to say mr. fema director has his head shoved so far up his own ass, it's not even funny. he says they are so distraught and upset that so many people "didn't heed the warning to leave." dear dipshit director, look at the footage. you can tell these people until you are blue in the face, but they ARE NOT IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO GET THEMSELVES, BELONGINGS, AND FAMILIES TO A HOTEL ROOM FOR WHO-KNOWS-HOW-MANY-NIGHTS, FEED THEM, AND MAKE SURE THEY PICK THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF A 200 MILE WIDE HURRICANE.

my dear f'n lord, this man should be thrown out of his position as soon as this situation is over. when he said that statement above on cnn, it became clear to me that he actually thought that everyone would just do what he would do in a similar situation.
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post #97 of 269
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Originally posted by Bronxite
and you wont admit that black people are going nuts.

All the news channels caught up this evening, why haven't you? This is no war zone and there is absolutely no excuse for the national guard, police forces and aid workers to not go in en masse.
post #98 of 269
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Originally posted by rok
i have been watchign amid trying to contact friends, and allow me to say mr. fema director has his head shoved so far up his own ass, it's not even funny. he says they are so distraught and upset that so many people "didn't heed the warning to leave." dear dipshit director, look at the footage. you can tell these people until you are blue in the face, but they ARE NOT IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO GET THEMSELVES, BELONGINGS, AND FAMILIES TO A HOTEL ROOM FOR WHO-KNOWS-HOW-MANY-NIGHTS, FEED THEM, AND MAKE SURE THEY PICK THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF A 200 MILE WIDE HURRICANE.

my dear f'n lord, this man should be thrown out of his position as soon as this situation is over. when he said that statement above on cnn, it became clear to me that he actually thought that everyone would just do what he would do in a similar situation.

Gee, I wonder if he had any experience in emergency management when he went to FEMA.
post #99 of 269
You know, I can't get over how totally unacceptable this is that here we are days into the disaster and so many people (at least tens of thousands) are still in major centralized areas in a major US city without food and water. This could be you or me. These are people some of us know. For all that people hate on the media, I'm so happy that this evening they decided to press this point. Particularly today I've gotten a lump in my throat more than a few times. This is just too much. I don't even know what to say.
post #100 of 269
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Originally posted by rok
i have been watchign amid trying to contact friends, and allow me to say mr. fema director has his head shoved so far up his own ass, it's not even funny. he says they are so distraught and upset that so many people "didn't heed the warning to leave." dear dipshit director, look at the footage. you can tell these people until you are blue in the face, but they ARE NOT IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO GET THEMSELVES, BELONGINGS, AND FAMILIES TO A HOTEL ROOM FOR WHO-KNOWS-HOW-MANY-NIGHTS, FEED THEM, AND MAKE SURE THEY PICK THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF A 200 MILE WIDE HURRICANE.

my dear f'n lord, this man should be thrown out of his position as soon as this situation is over. when he said that statement above on cnn, it became clear to me that he actually thought that everyone would just do what he would do in a similar situation.

The FEMA director was interviewed by Wisconsin Public radio and that's how he first heard of the people at the Convention Center!!

I heard it on the radio . . . he told the interviewernot to listen to rumors!!
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

"Nothing...

post #101 of 269
The FEMA Director (Mr. Brown) you are a FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!

why arent the cruise ships located up and down the Mississippi river NOT being used to get those people from the New Orleans area to Baton Rouge when it would only take a matter of hours?

Why is it that HUNDREDS of media crews can rush to get the story on Helicopters, Vans, Planes (new orleans international airport IS in service for emergency flights, and), EVEN FLAT BOATS!! Why are these people not being rescued??!

I have so many friends who have lost everything in this and all they can ask is why is it that these people cannot be saved in a timely manner. If there are people who are hindering the efforts SHOOT THEM (period). we are in a state of marshal law and have been for several days now. I have every bit of simpathy for the people comondeering (abandoned) vehicles to get out of town and the people who are tearing down doors to provide food for others, but the animals who are shooting at hellicopters, raping, robbing retail establishments should be shot and left in the water to rot.

Please get the helpless people out of the city. There are so many good people here in this city. Is this still the U.S.?
post #102 of 269
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Originally posted by Playmaker
Is this still the U.S.?

That's what I'm wondering too. Is this still the U.S.A. ?
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post #103 of 269
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Originally posted by Playmaker
The FEMA Director (Mr. Brown) you are a FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!

why arent the cruise ships located up and down the Mississippi river NOT being used to get those people from the New Orleans area to Baton Rouge when it would only take a matter of hours?

Why is it that HUNDREDS of media crews can rush to get the story on Helicopters, Vans, Planes (new orleans international airport IS in service for emergency flights, and), EVEN FLAT BOATS!! Why are these people not being rescued??!

I have so many friends who have lost everything in this and all they can ask is why is it that these people cannot be saved in a timely manner. If there are people who are hindering the efforts SHOOT THEM (period). we are in a state of marshal law and have been for several days now. I have every bit of simpathy for the people comondeering (abandoned) vehicles to get out of town and the people who are tearing down doors to provide food for others, but the animals who are shooting at hellicopters, raping, robbing retail establishments should be shot and left in the water to rot.

Please get the helpless people out of the city. There are so many good people here in this city. Is this still the U.S.?

amen on all accounts, and i am glad to hear you are still with us, playmaker. PM me when you get the chance and let me know where you are. we all gotta stick together throught his, in any way we can.
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Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
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post #104 of 269
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Originally posted by NaplesX
That was a great rant.

The thing you are obviously missing is money means nothing in this kind of situation - nada.

You can ride in on a moneytruck and it won't feed anyone unless they can digest paper and ink and it wont quench anyones thirst.

You need people and equipment there on the ground. You can't get them there effectively until the water is gone. You can't make the waters go away until they fix the breaches in the levees. They have to rescue people that are stranded. Thay can't do that if they are at risk of being killed while doing it. They need to get more people on the ground but we also need those people to help rescue other people. It is a catch 22 all around, there's no way around it. One thing depends on the next.

I don't know how to break it to you. Money is not the issue here.

did you actually READ my post or did you skim through it like a children's picture book because thats the level of comprehension you have? i'll quote my fucking self for you Naples:

"its all well that there are federal grants being porposed yada yada but what needs to be done is GETTING EVERYONE THE HELL OUT OF THERE. that CAN be done and IS NOT BEING DONE"


that means that money aint gonna get these people to safety, RESOURCES THAT ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE

cant get them there effectively ??? then how the hell are there news crews, tanks, and cops passin by people stranded on the street yet they cant do anything to help them? what about the 82 buses parked right outside NO not going anywhere? or how bout the 10s of thousands of people who were told to go to that convention center and oh we'll bring you food and you'll get transportation out and they have been there with nothing for days. oh thats right, its all too dangerous. BS. the reporter on MSNBC was sayin just how organized, calm, harmonious these people all were and that it wasnt dangerous at all. there are a few idiots out there, yep. but the people on the streets and at that convention center screaming for help arent. this is a life and death situation, and not everything is being that could be. news casters and news reporters are sayin the exact same thing as ME on TV. you get mad at me for pointing out the government's failures in this time of dire need yet you dont get mad at CNN for reporting the news. i dont even know what else to say.....its just.....ridiculous beyond belief. people are stranded there on their death bed and its "too dangerous" to go in. fuck that.....

i'm done arguing with anyone who cant read, look, watch and comprehend whats going on. its not some big secret.




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can you please stop posting. you are about 2 days behind in news and your "revelations"

you are black. you are only this upset because it is happening to black people and you wont admit that black people are going nuts. it's the white man's fault.

you are being racist, as you always are.


how's that girlfriend doing btw?


let me guess, this is applenut

black people are going nuts. right. well mr big bad applenut from the mean streets of "da bronx". since you're so tough and think only black people are going "nuts" as you so eloquently put it, you should go to one of the parishes down there thats under water and just wait out the storm, i'm sure you'll be fine and its only the black folk that are going nuts. anyone would be going nuts when its desperation and they have nothing. they dont have food, water, shelter, bathrooms......all they have is the clothes on their back. its life or death there right now, but you can sit on the sidelines and make jokes about something that you arent experiencing first hand. new orleans is 70% black and 30% of its citizens live in poverty, and the poor are dirt poor there. that might be why black people are going "nuts". there was a whole group of white people being interviewed on a rooftop going "nuts". damn those white folk actin up again. you're an idiot. you're an idiot to even insinuate anything about me being black as the reason im upset about this when my original post said nothing of ethnicity.

get the fuck outta here. you're a little punk ass who thinks hes tough behind a computer screen but you'd be a coward face to face. werent you already banned? why are you still posting here if you're too good for us and dont care about this message board? or do you stalk me or somethin because you're infatuated with me? take your private gated community ass and that brilliant education im sure you received and ask them for a refund of that tuition. because obviously it didnt teach bigots & racists like yourself anything besides whats in a text book. you still cant reply with an intelligent or mature comment to a black inner-city raised kid who went to some crappy public schools. your comments here have spoken for themself for years, and have the nerve to call ME a racist you truly are a class act applenut.

oh and i dont have a girlfriend. you should keep better tabs on my personal life next time homey.
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post #105 of 269
He !

This thread is named RIP New orleans and it's not in political outsider.
The responsabilities behind this drama are an important subject, but I will not allow this thread to degenerate.

If you are interest by this subject, please open a new thread in PO. Any more heavy oriented political post would be deleted here.

PS : and it's not because there would be a new subject in political outsider, that we tolerate personal attacks.
post #106 of 269
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Don't give me that shit - it's been nearly 5 fucking days. If this was New York or L.A. you could be sure the response would have been much more swift.

They have been running computer simulations for years, and everyone knew the devastating affect of a level 4 or 5 hurricane on the region.

Where is Sandra Bullock and her one million dollar donation that she gave the tsunami victims?
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post #107 of 269
Why is Blanco "warning" the thugs on TV? I mean, seriously. Isn't that like sending them vinyl albums of her speeches at this point?
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post #108 of 269
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Originally posted by His Dudeness
Where is Sandra Bullock and her one million dollar donation that she gave the tsunami victims?

this is going on and you are posting about sandra bullock?
post #109 of 269
Tiger, you're a good man.

Jack Cafferty of CNN also made a big rant yesterday about the incomptence of the Bush administration. He also pointed out the "big elephant" in the room (race).


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post #110 of 269
Thanks to anders, here's a copy of that msnbc video from the convention center mentioned at the top of the page

post #111 of 269
Unbelievable - Matthew Cooper is still making excuses for Bush:

http://www.time.com/time/

I hope most Americans have finally seen the true nature of the administration. It goes far beyond mere incompetence - they simply don't care about other people.
post #112 of 269
Corporations and $$$ is the Focus not regular folks, or even Americans. Screwing America for their Parties interest has become habit for Washington. We just dont have a Govt who' interest in the people of this country.
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post #113 of 269
You might want to check out what the president said this morning:

"The results are not acceptable," referring to the speed and amount of help that's in the region. He knows we can do better. At least he is willing to admit it. When the top dog publicly says things need to change, things will change.
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post #114 of 269
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
You might want to check out what the president said this morning:

"The results are not acceptable," referring to the speed and amount of help that's in the region. He knows we can do better. At least he is willing to admit it. When the top dog publicly says things need to change, things will change.

Republicans have run our total Govt for 5 years, the buck stops somewhere and i blame the Republicans for all the crap they have gotton us into from a war,ignoring our own borders to taking away our liberties(patriot act) to not preparing for a hurricane. Its all about $$$. SAD.
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post #115 of 269
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Originally posted by Aurora
Republicans have run our total Govt for 5 years, the buck stops somewhere and i blame the Republicans for all the crap they have gotton us into from a war,ignoring our own borders to taking away our liberties(patriot act) to not preparing for a hurricane. Its all about $$$. SAD.

This kind of operation starts from the local level on up. It appears to me that the NOLA admin jumped ship on their city. Cops are just as bad off as the citizenry there. As far as i can tell there is no command and control on the local level. The NGuard is working while waiting for critical infrastructure to be established, especially communications. That's why they need that aircraft carrier there.

They've got a lot of air traffic and no control. It has to be hectic and dangerous.
post #116 of 269
Two APVs and two black hawks in front, 82 busses in the middle and two APVs and two black hawks behind. Get everyone onboard and out. That should give enough security.

To rebuild a city is hard work. To move 2-30000 people 15 miles shouldn´t be.
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post #117 of 269
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Originally posted by Anders
Two APVs and two black hawks in front, 82 busses in the middle and two APVs and two black hawks behind. Get everyone onboard and out. That should give enough security.

To rebuild a city is hard work. To move 2-30000 people 15 miles shouldn´t be.

See, I'm hearing close to 100,000 or more. I heard some estimates that say 200,000.

Sure there are crowds waiting, but it will be that way for a while. They are gathering on every bridge in hope of rescue. And, as soon as those people are being taken away more replace them. Some people are just coming out from their houses and attics and venturing to higher ground.

There's no easy way to tackle this, and no quick fix, I'm afraid.
post #118 of 269
this is what they're dealing with folks. Look at all the bridges and roof tops. There's no communication or power. People stuck there are just guessing what to do.

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post #119 of 269
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Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses which they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.

It's been 3 days, and the buses have yet to appear.

Although obviously he has no exact count, he estimates more than 10,000 people are packed into and around and outside the convention center still waiting for the buses. They had no food, no water, and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.

There are many infants and elderly people among them, as well as many people who were injured jumping out of windows to escape flood water and the like -- all of them in dire straights.

Any attempt to flag down police results in being told to get away at gunpoint. Hour after hour they watch buses pass by filled with people from other areas. Tensions are very high, and there has been at least one murder and several fights. 8 or 9 dead people have been stored in a freezer in the area, and 2 of these dead people are kids.

The people are so desperate that they're doing anything they can think of to impress the authorities enough to bring some buses. These things include standing in single file lines with the eldery in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows and anything else that would show the people are not barbarians.

The buses never stop.

Before the supplies were pitched off the bridge today, people had to break into buildings in the area to try to find food and water for their families. There was not enough. This spurred many families to break into cars to try to escape the city. There was no police response to the auto thefts until the mob reached the rich area -- Saulet Condos -- once they tried to get cars from there... well then the whole swat teams began showing up with rifles pointed. Snipers got on the roof and told people to get back.

He reports that the conditions are horrendous. Heat, mosquitoes and utter misery. The smell, he says, is "horrific."

He says it's the slowest mandatory evacuation ever, and he wants to know why they were told to go to the Convention Center area in the first place; furthermore, he reports that many of them with cell phones have contacts willing to come rescue them, but people are not being allowed through to pick them up.

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Originally posted by NaplesX
See, I'm hearing close to 100,000 or more. I heard some estimates that say 200,000.


Sure, but this is hardly an excuse that rescue operations are going very very slow. Especially that FEMA has learned about the 20K people at the convention center three days late is a very bad sign. This is something that could have been avoided. IMHO.
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