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post #41 of 79
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Originally posted by maverick18x
Plus, to me this "iPhone" is in no way the announcement that the iPod was. To make a few hundred songs on a phone sound equatible to the digital music revolution that was/is the iPod seems laughable. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I think this is going to be big.

Exactly what I was thinking. The phone is not an Apple product anyway. It's a partnership with Motorola and hardly warrants equating it to the impact the original iPod had. I'm sure the phone will be mentioned but I doubt it will be the only announcement.

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post #42 of 79
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Originally posted by melgross
They should buy it just to get out of the restrictions, and then sell off the company, as they shouldn't be in the business of owning music. Maybe Pixar should buy it.

Oh, I wonder what it's worth. I don't remember, is it a public company?

Apple should totally get in the business of owning music. Why you ask?

1. The idiot labels do not get the internet and digital distribution. However, they hold the power in this area. Look they want to raise the price and do all kinds of stupid stuff. Apple has power but fundamentally little power to stop this. By owning the largest label they can pioneer the way. I would not suggest Universal become part of Apple. Rather (and this is just dreaming) Apple Computer would merge with Apple Corp. and Universal. The name of the new corporation would be Apple Corp. Apple Corp would own Apple Computer and Universal Records. Universal would take on the Beattles catalogue and largely operate l;ike they do now. HOWEVER! if Steve wants to sell somngs for 99 cents forever he doesnt have to ask. And if he owns the largest label I bet Sony and the rest will not sell their songs for more than 99 cents when the largest label sells them for 99 cents.

2. Apple would have power over the other Music stores. I am not sure they could deny Napster and the rest the Universal Catalogue. But they would have the threat of it. Oh hell- if M$ can get away with it why couldn't Apple. By the time the Justice department sues wins etc Napster will be dead as Netscape.

3. In the vary long run Apple could use Universal and iTunes to move the whole music industry away from the current model. Currently the labels waste huge amounts of money trying to distribute music they think will sell. Adds, product placement etc... They pay for this by taking huge cuts from the successful artists. Imagine Apple thru Universal starts to actually use digital distribution to save money and let consumers decde what they like. It would save all the waste current lables go thru and allow Universal to offer artists a greater cut. In turn more artists want to sign with Universal and in turn Apple gains more power.

Its all really beautiful!
post #43 of 79
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Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
I would be SHOCKED if Steve showed off the ROKR for the first time, this is mostly a MOTO thing, I think...

PLUS the ROKR just doesn't seem to be anything special, certainly not to be compared with the original iPod...

This is just foggy memory, but I thought that I read that Jobs would be at the announcment whenever it would be made.
post #44 of 79
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Originally posted by salmonstk
Apple should totally get in the business of owning music. Why you ask?

1. The idiot labels do not get the internet and digital distribution. However, they hold the power in this area. Look they want to raise the price and do all kinds of stupid stuff. Apple has power but fundamentally little power to stop this. By owning the largest label they can pioneer the way. I would not suggest Universal become part of Apple. Rather (and this is just dreaming) Apple Computer would merge with Apple Corp. and Universal. The name of the new corporation would be Apple Corp. Apple Corp would own Apple Computer and Universal Records. Universal would take on the Beattles catalogue and largely operate l;ike they do now. HOWEVER! if Steve wants to sell somngs for 99 cents forever he doesnt have to ask. And if he owns the largest label I bet Sony and the rest will not sell their songs for more than 99 cents when the largest label sells them for 99 cents.

2. Apple would have power over the other Music stores. I am not sure they could deny Napster and the rest the Universal Catalogue. But they would have the threat of it. Oh hell- if M$ can get away with it why couldn't Apple. By the time the Justice department sues wins etc Napster will be dead as Netscape.

3. In the vary long run Apple could use Universal and iTunes to move the whole music industry away from the current model. Currently the labels waste huge amounts of money trying to distribute music they think will sell. Adds, product placement etc... They pay for this by taking huge cuts from the successful artists. Imagine Apple thru Universal starts to actually use digital distribution to save money and let consumers decde what they like. It would save all the waste current lables go thru and allow Universal to offer artists a greater cut. In turn more artists want to sign with Universal and in turn Apple gains more power.

Its all really beautiful!

I don't think so. Once Apple does that it's down the slippery slope. Why should they have artists in Washington hearings pointing out that they aren't fair? Why should they have to worry about CD sales? Or signing artists? Apple doesn't need to be caught up in some payola scheme, or drug bust. Or suing teenagers or grandma's. Besides, despite what artists and those who would rather steal their music want us to believe, the music companies aren't as unfair as we seem to want to believe.

No sir. The music business doesn't make enough profit these days to make any of that worthwhile. And then they would be a competitor instead of a partner.

No no no.
post #45 of 79
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Originally posted by melgross
This is just foggy memory, but I thought that I read that Jobs would be at the announcment whenever it would be made.

Yeah, but to have ROKR be the center of Steve's big media event??? This is MOTOs big thing, not Apples. But this doesn't mean that Steve won't be there when Motorola unveils is FINALLY, just to show his support...
post #46 of 79
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Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
Yeah, but to have ROKR be the center of Steve's big media event??? This is MOTOs big thing, not Apples. But this doesn't mean that Steve won't be there when Motorola unveils is FINALLY, just to show his support...

I'm wondering if this isn't as important to Apple as it is to Moto. Possibly even more important.

The word these days is that eventually most songs will be downloaded to phones rather than iPods. How many phones are sold a year 100 million?

If Apple gets on that bandwagon and can get a phone to a Cingular which is the biggest Cell provider here, then it might get the other companies to pay attention, if the phone does well. Otherwise Apple might get squeezed out.

I know a lot of people here will say no way, but I just bought my daughter a phone that plays music, has a memory card, does video and stills, etc.

Apple can't afford to get cut out of that market. It won't be AAC Fairplay. Apple has to get people thinking that if they want to do this on a phone then it had better be a phone that Apple has a stake in.
post #47 of 79
Steve isn't going to show off the motorola phone. Honestly nobody is very proud of that product. Motorola was told to hold off scheduling any announcement on this product, because Apple was scheduling another event for September.
post #48 of 79
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Originally posted by webmail
Steve isn't going to show off the motorola phone. Honestly nobody is very proud of that product. Motorola was told to hold off scheduling any announcement on this product, because Apple was scheduling another event for September.

And you know this from?
post #49 of 79
Sounds like it's going to be 1,000 videos in your pocket.
post #50 of 79
1000 Diddy music videos?

1000 episodes of Survivor?

1000 copies of The Phantom Menace?

Inquiring minds want to know... is this to be measured in kilo-, Mega-, or Giga-craptaculars?

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post #51 of 79
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Originally posted by Kickaha
1000 Diddy music videos?

1000 episodes of Survivor?

1000 copies of The Phantom Menace?

Inquiring minds want to know... is this to be measured in kilo-, Mega-, or Giga-craptaculars?


Well, for someone like me, it's a boon. I have almost 700 videos.
post #52 of 79
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Originally posted by Kickaha
1000 Diddy music videos?

1000 episodes of Survivor?

1000 copies of The Phantom Menace?

Inquiring minds want to know... is this to be measured in kilo-, Mega-, or Giga-craptaculars?


IF they will be selling music video's I can understand. But even then, what is the venue these are expected to play in? I read that it may have a 3" 640x480 screen. Ok, I guess for take it anywhere fun it'll work.

But the old objections are still valid. Even if Jobs says it's here, the old objections are still valid.

You can't walk and watch, you can't drive and watch, you can't study and watch (at least if you're normal), you can't work and watch, etc. Those are some of the most used areas of iPod usefulness. In fact, there is hardly any other time left.

So why would you buy a video? To watch on the computer, to watch on your TV or home theatre.

Is 640x480 good enough for that? Maybe for TV. We can always fill the screen on our computer. It's not bad then.

But if it's a movie, 640x480 most likely isn't enough. H.264 requires a good cpu to work. Will the iPod have one? Will it use H.264? What about the higher rez's? Are we going to get a movie done in 2.23/1 as a 640x287 download? That's crap.

There are so many questions, and no answers as yet.

Whatever it is, it will surprise us, happily or not.
post #53 of 79
wall street journal just released an article saying that cingular would be the carrier.

after reading all of your coments i mixed them up and though of this conspiracy theory

first Steve will introduce iTunes 5 with fully integrated video, new interface and featuress and the all new video store, including subscription for videos(hard drives are not that big so, buy music, rent videos)

second jobs shows the video ipod. There is content, therfore portable player= vPod. create a necesity and then a solution to that necesity in a few minutes.

third the anouncement of the all famous iPhone. that will also be able to stream video, play music.

by doing this they completely refresh their holidya season lineup for the music segment of the business

then they just leave the computer refresh including the all new iMac G5 with something cool and new for paris expo
post #54 of 79
Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
I would be SHOCKED if Steve showed off the ROKR for the first time, this is mostly a MOTO thing, I think...
PLUS the ROKR just doesn't seem to be anything special, certainly not to be compared with the original iPod...



i'm with thinkdifferent on this one. if this is just the crappy moto ROKR, i am going to shoot someone in the ****s.
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post #55 of 79
Originally posted by webmail
Steve isn't going to show off the motorola phone. Honestly nobody is very proud of that product. Motorola was told to hold off scheduling any announcement on this product, because Apple was scheduling another event for September.



Steve is definitely not proud of the motorola phone and all the bullshit delays.
That is my gut instinct, nothing more, nothing less.
post #56 of 79
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Originally posted by melgross
IF they will be selling music video's I can understand. But even then, what is the venue these are expected to play in? I read that it may have a 3" 640x480 screen. Ok, I guess for take it anywhere fun it'll work.

But the old objections are still valid. Even if Jobs says it's here, the old objections are still valid.

You can't walk and watch, you can't drive and watch, you can't study and watch (at least if you're normal), you can't work and watch, etc. Those are some of the most used areas of iPod usefulness. In fact, there is hardly any other time left.

So why would you buy a video? To watch on the computer, to watch on your TV or home theatre.

Is 640x480 good enough for that? Maybe for TV. We can always fill the screen on our computer. It's not bad then.

But if it's a movie, 640x480 most likely isn't enough. H.264 requires a good cpu to work. Will the iPod have one? Will it use H.264? What about the higher rez's? Are we going to get a movie done in 2.23/1 as a 640x287 download? That's crap.

There are so many questions, and no answers as yet.

Whatever it is, it will surprise us, happily or not.

Well, with that analogy, you can't view pictures while you walk, can't view pictures while you drive, can't view pictures while working. But there's an iPod photo isn't there? The Sony PSP can play movies so I'm sure Steve can handle the technology of playing videos on the iPod. And yes I wouldn't mind a simple portable solution to bringing my videos over to a friends house to hook up to the TV.
post #57 of 79
Video iPod is my vote if the invitation is a clue. Note centering on the WATCH Pocket...

http://alexandros.roussos.free.fr/ma...usic_event.jpg
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post #58 of 79
The IFA - international radio/television/digital home entertainment fair - is taking place right now in Berlin. One of the hot topics is home media centers and content distribution. It seems all of the shown devices either run Windows XP MCE or are heavily MS reliant.

The Airport Express was a first step in the right direction for Apple. Its introduction dates quite a few days back now and the product has seen no improvements yet. Nor has the concept been driven anyfurther on Apple's part or the product range been broadened.

For the ITMS and Apple's music/digital entertainment strategy to further succeed they have do something in this direction and not rely on third parties - ie the "Made for iPod"-programme or Elgato.

I sure hope the announcements tend to be of that sort.

P.S.: I hope the introduction of the iTunes phone will bring better cellular synching support...
post #59 of 79
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Originally posted by RolandG
.....P.S.: I hope the introduction of the iTunes phone will bring better cellular synching support...

get something like a sony ericsson T630 and you WILL have better cell synching support right now. AND you wont have to use that rubbish motorola phone interface [bleaghhhh ]
post #60 of 79
640x480 on a 3" screen??!! The PSP is 480x272 on a 4" screen and is rated as one of, if not the best small portable screens around.

As for the 1000 songs in your pocket, here we go again line. How about a 4Gb shuffle, maybe with a screen?
post #61 of 79
My speculation is as follows:

40 & 80GB iPod Video
320x208 widescreen display (like on Motorola A1000, P910, etc) or similar
H.264 encoded music videos available via iTMS.


From http://www.shapeofdays.com/2005/05/a_demonstration.html (first link on Google when looking this up), "At a size of 850 by 366 pixels, this second clip has more than three times the resolution of the first clip. This isn't near-broadcast-quality, either. It's actual broadcast quality." [...] "This clip, this one you see right here at broadcast resolution, is encoded at 768 kilobits per second. With audio which you'll notice sounds substantially better since I used the MPEG-4 AAC audio encoder it comes to exactly 980 kilobits per second".

1000 Broadcast Quality Music Videos in your Pocket would be around 40GB assuming an average of 4 minutes per video (actually, let's assume that Apple use standard definition DVD resolution video of 720x480, which is slightly more pixels than the above, but maybe they'll drop the quality a smidgeon to compensate). Let's assume that Apple also provides an audio-only version of the file alongside the video when you buy the video, then a 40G vPod will comfortably hold 500 music videos and 5000 songs. An 80G vPod will hold 10000 songs and 1000 videos.

And it will be done right because of Apples excellence in interface design (although iPhoto's menu structure is rather poor I believe, that is only a single application).

It makes total sense considering the clues in the article. This ain't the iPhone (well, not solely).

I hope they will be available to order this soon. I've got this £18 off voucher that expires in the middle of September.

haha, I can use the scrolling trackpad with quicktime like some kind of video deck.
post #62 of 79
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Originally posted by ajprice
640x480 on a 3" screen??!! The PSP is 480x272 on a 4" screen and is rated as one of, if not the best small portable screens around.

As for the 1000 songs in your pocket, here we go again line. How about a 4Gb shuffle, maybe with a screen?

I've played with a Dell PDA with a 640x480 TFT display. It was really really nice, but only 65k colours, whereas more standard 320x240 TFT displays on PDAs show 262k colours these days. I think for a vPod something similar to the latter will be used (the larger pixels allow more light through, which is important for this type of application), but the video output on the device will show the full resolution of the video (720x480).

Given the processing power and display, I hope that Apple also install a J2ME JVM and/or a proprietary, but documented, C/C++ interface - my Motorola A1000 which I'm getting tomorrow has this, and I've noticed that games like Hexen run on it without a problem (so graphics are better than PS1, but not as good as say Dreamcast or PS2). Maybe Apple can take on Sony's PSP - if people realise their portable media player can also play games reasonably decently, then will they bother to buy a PSP?
post #63 of 79
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Originally posted by snipe
Video iPod is my vote if the invitation is a clue. Note centering on the WATCH Pocket...

http://alexandros.roussos.free.fr/ma...usic_event.jpg

Oh, they're "watch pockets" ... I thought they were for condoms or something.

But yes, that's yet another clue. It's pretty much cemented in my mind what is going to happen*.

Oh, and imagine your car having a vPod dock, and being able to show a movie in that car to your kids in the back to keep them sedate. This will be a necessary capability, so the vPod will have a different dock connector. If we're lucky old-style docks will still work, albeit only for audio and charging.

A 720x480 DVD resolution movie is 1Mbit a second or thereabouts. You could encode the Lord of the Rings trilogy Extended Edition (all 662 minutes of it) into 5GB using H.264 (actually, at 2.35:1 it'd probably be encoded at 720x306, meaning an even smaller file size - 3-4GB).

* Well, if it isn't a video iPod, then expect the iPod Watch! With 1GB/2GB of flash memory and bluetooth audio connectivity. Using AAC-Plus you can fit 1000 songs on your wrist!
post #64 of 79
heh. watch pockets are quite useful for one or two condoms.... you know, when out and about, better safe than sorry, you never know where you might end up, and a few condoms are handy... this applies if you are a girl or guy.

now, iPodMusicVideo - 1000 music videos. $399 40gb no worries, sounds good.
h.264 of course, with quicktime7 for windows and mac required for iPodMusicVideo. all done through iTunes, not iPhoto5. iPhoto for your camera mp4s, iTunes for your h.264 music videos

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post #65 of 79
Anyway, I see Sir Mccartney getting the new (spec. edition) beatles G5 iPod out of his designer jeans (made by his daughter)proclaiming the war is over.

I mean his lastest/newest single isn't that called "New Line"

Imagine all the possibilities....
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post #66 of 79
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Originally posted by snipe
Video iPod is my vote if the invitation is a clue. Note centering on the WATCH Pocket...

I think it's best known as a change pocket these days. Besides, I think it's pretty obvious that Apple is announcing a line of jeans.

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post #67 of 79
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Originally posted by Hattig
1000 Broadcast Quality Music Videos in your Pocket would be around 40GB assuming an average of 4 minutes per video [/B]

My mathematics sucks. Well, I had it correct and then edited it.

4 minutes is 240 seconds, which at 1Mbit/s is 30MB per song. So a 40GB (37Gib) vPod can indeed hold 1000 music videos (30GB), 1000 songs (4GB) and 1-10000 photos (3GB, depends on size of photo).

The 80GB (74GiB) vPod (available October) will hold 1000 music videos (30GB), 10000 songs (40GB) and 2-10000 photos (4GB).
post #68 of 79
And maybe a new Express station with 'n' standard...
to stream video?

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post #69 of 79
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Originally posted by RolandG
The IFA - international radio/television/digital home entertainment fair - is taking place right now in Berlin. One of the hot topics is home media centers and content distribution. It seems all of the shown devices either run Windows XP MCE or are heavily MS reliant.

The Airport Express was a first step in the right direction for Apple. Its introduction dates quite a few days back now and the product has seen no improvements yet. Nor has the concept been driven anyfurther on Apple's part or the product range been broadened.

For the ITMS and Apple's music/digital entertainment strategy to further succeed they have do something in this direction and not rely on third parties - ie the "Made for iPod"-programme or Elgato.

I sure hope the announcements tend to be of that sort.

P.S.: I hope the introduction of the iTunes phone will bring better cellular synching support...

Air Vids?
post #70 of 79
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Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
Air Vids?

heh... iPodVideo now with AirportExpress2 featuring AirTunes+ AirVideo

anyone spot mockups on the net yet? eg landscape-mode iPodVideo?? c'mon ya lazy bastards. get out your photoshop..! my excuse is i am using suse linux at the moment and Gimp scares me. also because of it's name.
post #71 of 79
Yup that definitely wouldn't surprise me...
post #72 of 79
I doubt a "vPod" is going to happen.

Here's what I think:

iPod mini gets updated with color screens
Line of Motorola iTunes-enabled phones revealed
5th Gen ipod with wireless capabilities that connects to itunes music store via mobile network.
post #73 of 79
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Originally posted by bdkennedy1
Well, with that analogy, you can't view pictures while you walk, can't view pictures while you drive, can't view pictures while working. But there's an iPod photo isn't there? The Sony PSP can play movies so I'm sure Steve can handle the technology of playing videos on the iPod. And yes I wouldn't mind a simple portable solution to bringing my videos over to a friends house to hook up to the TV.

The iPod photo isn't to watch like a movie or a music video. It's to organize your photo's.

Not exactly the same thing, is it?
post #74 of 79
remember that mad respects go to hardmac for they are the ones that first posted the "Life Is Random" iPod shuffle with no screen news... (they managed to get into moscone and scope things out a little macworld sf2005)

here's hardmac.com's latest take on things... not saying that it is accurate but it at least gives us a bit of perspective

One thing is clear, Apple can really attract news networks by simply sending away invitation to a Special Event; and immediately the web is boiling about amazing new products, rumors, and so on.

Competitors are probably upset of seeing so much effects generated by such a cheap PR while they might need millions of dollars communication campaign to reach such attention.
Regarding, the sentence, one should notice that it is the past : "changed" and not "change"; so this special event does not describe a future product, but it will be related to the revolution initiated by the launch of the iPod.
But this new product will be available for a large number of customers; in addition it might not be only Mac-related since such announcement will be made earlier than the AppleExpo (only 3 weeks away).

so what to expect:
- a brand new flash-memory-based iPod (possible with the recent rumors regarding Apple-Samsung deal)
- a video iPod associated with iTunes Video Store.
- iPhone (but if it is the only product release during the event it will be a bit disappointing)
- A new multimedia product to compete with the poorly performing Windows Media Center.

We would love that last proposal to be true, since the market for such HD-based product is exploding. Apple has everything in its hands to gain immediately a large percentage of this market:
- G' or even intel processors
- iApps
- a well known experience to deliver a fully integrated product (obtained from the Mac mini development)

One week to go for the answer.

[translation by Eric]
post #75 of 79
One thing is clear, Apple can really attract news networks by simply sending away invitation to a Special Event; and immediately the web is boiling about amazing new products, rumors, and so on......

heh. Creative must be SOOOO pissed off right now. All this hype about new iPods while they are dealing with the very un-Zen issue of viruses shipping with your Creative music player. poor bastards.
post #76 of 79
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Originally posted by sunilraman
One thing is clear, Apple can really attract news networks by simply sending away invitation to a Special Event; and immediately the web is boiling about amazing new products, rumors, and so on......

heh. Creative must be SOOOO pissed off right now. All this hype about new iPods while they are dealing with the very un-Zen issue of viruses shipping with your Creative music player. poor bastards.

Of course, Creative just announced thei patent.

So if it's valid, they might be rubbing their hands together.
post #77 of 79
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post #78 of 79
What if THIS was announced on the 7th...
http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2005/mft05083105.htm

Haha just kidding, if that happened though, it'd be pretty cool!
post #79 of 79
holy fuck these journalists/analysts can afford some good drugs. what the fuck are they smoking? Apple buying SixFlags? now? ahhahahahah hahahha hah hahah haha hahhahh WTF? NewsCorp, okay, Sony, possibly, because they're dumb, but Apple? hahahahhhahhah these analysts don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
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