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post #121 of 163
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Does it? *checks on Apple*

BWAHAHAHAHA

Apparently what I was seeing was possibly detritus from the Windows code, which *DOES* require QT7.0.2. The Mac version only requires 6.5.2.

Nevermind. mel, you're right, I haven't a clue why they bumped it to 5. This should have been 4.10 from a feature point of view.

Being that I don't gloat...
post #122 of 163
In the search function, could someone mind telling me what the "booklets" feature is. Is this something they might be coming out with for digital music - or does it already exist and I just never noticed? Can I buy digital "booklets" for my CDs I already own? ...or download them?
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post #123 of 163
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Originally posted by iShawn
In the search function, could someone mind telling me what the "booklets" feature is. Is this something they might be coming out with for digital music - or does it already exist and I just never noticed? Can I buy digital "booklets" for my CDs I already own? ...or download them?

NOPE! that is the beauty of the entertainment cartel^H^H^H^H^H^H ponzy scheam^H^H^H^H^H business! look at DVDs the first DVD of a movie sucks...then 2 weeks later the special edition with a fair amount of extras hits then a weeek aftter that, the super-mondo-7,000,000 disc platinum collection comes out for $5 less than the original DVD...it is the labels - not apple that screw people over.
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post #124 of 163
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Originally posted by a_greer
...it is the labels - not apple that screw people over.

Excessive consumerism is arguable (but not here) the core issue.
post #125 of 163
To actually answer the question, booklets can be downloaded from the iTunes Music Store with the purchase of select albums. You can only get them with albums, and the amount of albums that contain the booklets are growing all the time.
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post #126 of 163
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
To actually answer the question, booklets can be downloaded from the iTunes Music Store with the purchase of select albums. You can only get them with albums, and the amount of albums that contain the booklets are growing all the time.

That doesnt really anwer the question - if I buy an album tonight, or bought it last year, and the booklet (or video for that matter) is added on Monday and the album is the same price, is there a way to get the new content without repurchase? there should be
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post #127 of 163
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Originally posted by a_greer
That doesnt really anwer the question - if I buy an album tonight, or bought it last year, and the booklet (or video for that matter) is added on Monday and the album is the same price, is there a way to get the new content without repurchase? there should be

it's usually on new additions to the Music Store so this is unlikely to happen.
post #128 of 163
Is nobody else excited by the variable bit rate option for AAC that's now available in itunes import options... or was it there all along?
post #129 of 163
No, it's new to iTunes 5. I am excited. Quicktime 7 has had it, and now it's finally in iTunes. I don't know why they didn't have AAC VBR with AAC's introduction.
post #130 of 163
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Originally posted by SS3 GokouX
No, it's new to iTunes 5. I am excited. Quicktime 7 has had it, and now it's finally in iTunes. I don't know why they didn't have AAC VBR with AAC's introduction.

yeah it's a very cool addition - about time
post #131 of 163
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Originally posted by jasenj1
As you wish.



See how tight the top margin is? That's just wrong, IMHO. And the window controls are dinky.

And the titlebarless paradigm falls apart the second you enter a dialog box - like preferences - those are standard Windows UI components.

- Jasen.

That's just sick. The Windows version has round corners, the Apple version square corners!
post #132 of 163
One of my favorite new features is "Remember playback position" under the Options tab of Get Info. Anyone remember if podcasts behaved that way automatically before 5.0? It's already become quite handy for some video files I've started managing with iTunes simply because of that feature since (afaik) QuickTime Player doesn't have that capability. I might even like a global preference for setting it, toggling it off for tracks I don't want it set on. Or maybe the ability to set/unset it (and other options?) based on Smart Playlist criteria, thought I doubt Apple wants to let us be that clever.
Hmm, I wonder if it can be toggled with AppleScript ...
post #133 of 163
What is the benefit of a VBR?
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post #134 of 163
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Originally posted by sjk
One of my favorite new features is "Remember playback position" under the Options tab of Get Info. Anyone remember if podcasts behaved that way automatically before 5.0?

Yes, yes they did.
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post #135 of 163
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Originally posted by iShawn
What is the benefit of a VBR?

It varies the bit rate in the encoding so that when music requires more detail, it increases the bit rate, when there is less, it lowers it. Depending on the emphasis placed by the encoder this can give you better sounding encodings in less space.

From reports though, it appears Apple have put the emphasis on increasing quality rather than lowing file sizes as a VBR encoded AAC is slightly larger than a non VBR song. Most other encoders produce smaller files.

The disadvantage is that it requires more time to encode VBR songs and more CPU to decode them. I've not personally ran tests so I've no idea if those would be significant disadvantages.
post #136 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
It varies the bit rate in the encoding so that when music requires more detail, it increases the bit rate, when there is less, it lowers it. Depending on the emphasis placed by the encoder this can give you better sounding encodings in less space.

From reports though, it appears Apple have put the emphasis on increasing quality rather than lowing file sizes as a VBR encoded AAC is slightly larger than a non VBR song. Most other encoders produce smaller files.

The disadvantage is that it requires more time to encode VBR songs and more CPU to decode them. I've not personally ran tests so I've no idea if those would be significant disadvantages.

Since quality is the issue compared to other codeks from MS, Real, and others, if true, Apple did the right thing.

It does take more "oomph" to encode, but decoding can't be much of a problem or an iPod couldn't do it.
post #137 of 163
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Does it? *checks on Apple*

BWAHAHAHAHA

Apparently what I was seeing was possibly detritus from the Windows code, which *DOES* require QT7.0.2. The Mac version only requires 6.5.2.

Nevermind. mel, you're right, I haven't a clue why they bumped it to 5. This should have been 4.10 from a feature point of view.

We might both be right. I said that if Apple added the ability to sell video into the program that could be worth a "5", and you said that perhaps "under the hood" changes might do it.

Welll...

Check this out at Ars. If it's right...

http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...2005/9/12/1202
post #138 of 163
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Originally posted by melgross
We might both be right. I said that if Apple added the ability to sell video into the program that could be worth a "5", and you said that perhaps "under the hood" changes might do it.

Welll...

Check this out at Ars. If it's right...

http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...2005/9/12/1202

Sounds like a cheesy ending to a 80s sitcom to me...
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post #139 of 163
iTunes 5.0 does have an annoying feature though - I don't know what they've done to the search but if you add a song it doesn't turn up in the search for quite a while. iTunes 4.9 was much more responsive.
post #140 of 163
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Originally posted by danielctull
Sounds like a cheesy ending to a 80s sitcom to me...

Naw, more like a cheesy 80's movie. Are you going to be the kid that starts clapping methodically and slowly to cue the final music?
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post #141 of 163
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
iTunes 5.0 does have an annoying feature though - I don't know what they've done to the search but if you add a song it doesn't turn up in the search for quite a while. iTunes 4.9 was much more responsive.

The search is broken.

Sometimes it says you're searching all items but it's actually remembered that last search you did and is only searching the album titles or whatever you last clicked. You have to click off 'All' on something else and then back again on All.

Just one of the many crappy badly done changes in iTunes 5.
post #142 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
The search is broken.

Sometimes it says you're searching all items but it's actually remembered that last search you did and is only searching the album titles or whatever you last clicked. You have to click off 'All' on something else and then back again on All.

Just one of the many crappy badly done changes in iTunes 5.

i think the search bar is worse than the old system any way but this is just plain annoying! As it happens it was a file with a .snd so wasn't in my library but was in my 'recently added' list - weird!
post #143 of 163
hey all,
i've found a problem

before installing iTunes 5 i had about 7000 songs which was roughly 30 days of music.
Now [with iTunes 5] i have same number of songs, but have over 300 (!!) days. Clearly this is wrong.

While it's great for bragging, it's completely inaccurate. Anyone else have this problem?
Thanks
post #144 of 163
also i thought there were going to be 'Nestled' playlists, not just the ability to drop one into another.

I've got over a dozen 'Best of' playlists [eg. -Best House, Best Abstract Hip Hop, -Best Jazz, etc). If i could nestle them all under one 'BEST OF' playlist it would tidy things up so much!
post #145 of 163
File -> New Folder.

Drop them in.
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post #146 of 163
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Originally posted by Mr. H
Oh, and one last thing. iTunes now does VBR AAC encoding!

I just noticed this myself!

Anyone do any quality or compatibility comparisons with the VBR AAC files?
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post #147 of 163
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Originally posted by Xool
I just noticed this myself!

Anyone do any quality or compatibility comparisons with the VBR AAC files?

Not yet, but the lack of it has caused the results of tests on the enthusiast tech sites to rate AAC as the lowest quality encoding other than plain MP3.

Maybe this will bring some respect. I hope they redo the tests.
post #148 of 163
ok, i was wrong about Nestled playlists, they do exist and they're great.

But has does anyone else's iTunes now say they've got 10 TIMES the amount of music they really do?

(eg, mine says i have 487 days of music, instead of 48.7!!)

my friend says it doesnt happen in his copy of iTunes 5

also, why isnt the lyrics tab able to be searched? (or atleast have the option of turning it on/off)

i've found that the lyrics tab is great for putting the tracklisting on DJ Mixes (that appear all as one huge file), except i cant search within them!

perhaps they'll change this in 5.0.2?
post #149 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
That's just sick. The Windows version has round corners, the Apple version square corners!

Uhh, the Mac version has round corners too. At least version 5.0.1 does.
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post #150 of 163
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Originally posted by Xool
Uhh, the Mac version has round corners too. At least version 5.0.1 does.

If you count 3 pixels knocked out as round and no anti-aliasing, then yes, it's round too.

The point is, it's not the same round corner as every other OSX window.
post #151 of 163
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Originally posted by Xool
I just noticed this myself!

Anyone do any quality or compatibility comparisons with the VBR AAC files?

Yes.

It's kind of a stupid thing anyway. AAC was already variable bit rate before they added the new VBR setting. It's just MORE variable now.

In general I reckon it sounds better.
post #152 of 163
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Originally posted by melgross
Not yet, but the lack of it has caused the results of tests on the enthusiast tech sites to rate AAC as the lowest quality encoding other than plain MP3.

Maybe this will bring some respect. I hope they redo the tests.

I think you've been reading the wrong tests. WMA and ATRAC always come out lowest no matter which test I've read other than a couple of oddball tests where they're encoding at 64kbps - which is pointless really. Everything will sound bad.

Picking the first test off of google...

http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multifo...8/results.html

Old style AAC comes 3rd behind OGG Vorbis aoTuV and Musepack (both codecs that have very little support beyond the geek fringe) followed by VBR LAME MP3 (which has come on leaps and bounds recently to challenge AAC) then WMA and ATRAC

Since I don't encode as low as 128 and I don't know many people that do, it seems a bit of a pointless test though. I can tell the difference between 128 and 160 AAC and between 160AAC and 192MP3 and I'm sticking with 160 AAC.
post #153 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
The search is broken.

Sometimes it says you're searching all items but it's actually remembered that last search you did and is only searching the album titles or whatever you last clicked. You have to click off 'All' on something else and then back again on All.

Just one of the many crappy badly done changes in iTunes 5.

Holy crap! Did they really ship something THAT broken?! Is it like that in Panther as well?
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post #154 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
I think you've been reading the wrong tests. WMA and ATRAC always come out lowest no matter which test I've read other than a couple of oddball tests where they're encoding at 64kbps - which is pointless really. Everything will sound bad.

Picking the first test off of google...

http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multifo...8/results.html

Old style AAC comes 3rd behind OGG Vorbis aoTuV and Musepack (both codecs that have very little support beyond the geek fringe) followed by VBR LAME MP3 (which has come on leaps and bounds recently to challenge AAC) then WMA and ATRAC

Since I don't encode as low as 128 and I don't know many people that do, it seems a bit of a pointless test though. I can tell the difference between 128 and 160 AAC and between 160AAC and 192MP3 and I'm sticking with 160 AAC.

When was Apple's AAC made with VBR. It's only been recent.

If you are going to encode at high rates, say 256 and above, the difference is miniscule. But most encoding is done at 128, and the differences can be heard there.

This test actually shows AAC as not being bad at all, but WMA VBR is still better:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1560785,00.asp

As we all know by this time, finding something specific on Google is not always easy. After searching through the first 28 pages for certain tests I saw last year, I gave up. so the only one I was looking for that I found is the one above. The other tests I'm seeing are simply too old to be relevent.

Anyway, none of the codecs are satisfactory to me when listening on my main system, though they are fine on smaller less revealing ones.
post #155 of 163
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Originally posted by melgross
When was Apple's AAC made with VBR. It's only been recent.

It was news to me. In a discussion on hydrogen audio someone was explaining what the difference was between AAC and the new VBR AAC.

The bitrate isn't fixed in either form. It varies very slightly in normal AAC and more in Apple's new VBR format but not very much still. The LAME fans were pointing out that you could set the variation in the LAME encoder whereas Apple haven't let you do so. Some people are reporting large variations, others very little so I presume there's more to it than setting limits with AAC. Maybe Apple will add a slider to vary size/quality with VBR in a future release.
post #156 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
If you count 3 pixels knocked out as round and no anti-aliasing, then yes, it's round too.

The point is, it's not the same round corner as every other OSX window.

Round corners aren't big or clever - they look a little tacky to be honest - i think iTunes has the right amount of rounded edges.

Incidentally the search problem with it remembering your previous search but displaying 'all' has been fixed.
post #157 of 163
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Round corners aren't big or clever - they look a little tacky to be honest - i think iTunes has the right amount of rounded edges.

If so, all the other windows therefore have the wrong rounded corners.

Since they were there first, anti-alias properly and render drop shadows accordingly and iTunes5 doesn't, then regardless of which you prefer for iTunes, it's plainly iTunes that is wrong.

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Incidentally the search problem with it remembering your previous search but displaying 'all' has been fixed.

I noticed. Podcasts still appear in playlists - horrible. borders still black, no drag bars between frames, ok/canel buttons in prefs...

It's still a UI trainwreck.
post #158 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
If so, all the other windows therefore have the wrong rounded corners.

Since they were there first, anti-alias properly and render drop shadows accordingly and iTunes5 doesn't, then regardless of which you prefer for iTunes, it's plainly iTunes that is wrong.

Apple Mail looks different to everything else - is this wrong? Some UI differences are good for the eye but also means Apple can try out different ideas. Apple have done this in the past and then changed everything in the OS to suit (QuickTime used to be the tester).
post #159 of 163
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
If so, all the other windows therefore have the wrong rounded corners.

Since they were there first, anti-alias properly and render drop shadows accordingly and iTunes5 doesn't, then regardless of which you prefer for iTunes, it's plainly iTunes that is wrong.

Agreed, I can't understand why this has even happened...


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I noticed. Podcasts still appear in playlists - horrible. borders still black, no drag bars between frames, ok/canel buttons in prefs...

It's still a UI trainwreck.

Podcasts in playlists can be useful (i'm going back on my word I said previously - in this thread I believe) I have an 'Unplayed Podcasts' playlist and its nice to go for a ride and catch up on unheard podcasts. WHilst I agree there should be a default to stop podcasts being listed in music playlists.

Also contrary to what I previously I have also warmed to the search bar as a means to navigate my library - Showing only videos, music, audiobooks etc... It's possibly not the best way, but it's not too bad.
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post #160 of 163
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Apple Mail looks different to everything else - is this wrong? Some UI differences are good for the eye but also means Apple can try out different ideas. Apple have done this in the past and then changed everything in the OS to suit (QuickTime used to be the tester).

Yes. Apple Mail is wrong also.

Horrible buttons. Blue pane which can't be changed or moved. status indicators that no longer indicate the progress of email being downloaded in any meaningful way. selection bars that ignore the system defined colours.

Quicktime going to metal made sense when they were using metal to indicate a media type physical device replacement eg. a stereo, dvd player or other bit of consumer electronic kit. Metal windows behave differently too. It makes no sense at all to use metal on the finder. And now we have the itunes dark metal/plastic bastardisation.

Apple are perfectly welcome to try out ideas but doing so by introducing ever changing UIs on the public instead of in their own labs (if they have any anymore) is an odd thing to do for the company that once prided itself on the consistency of it's interface.

Windows XP is more consistent. Even some of the Linux desktops are more consistent.
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