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post #121 of 150
9/15/05 at 4:56pm
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Originally posted by sunilraman
sabon i'd have to go with jeff on this. fw400 enclosure with 7200rpm 3.5" drive. its the minimum IMO for *tolerable* Os x booting off an external drive.

As I said before, "What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?"
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post #122 of 150
9/15/05 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by Sabon
As I said before, "What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?"

fair enough dude, now that the iPod mini which had the optional firewire cable is no longer in apple's brand new primetime lineup.
i'm sure though that the iPod fullsize will have firewire capabilities out of the box. i could be wrong, but i believe for sizes >20gb apple will ship with full firewire capabilities for a while to come.
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post #123 of 150
9/15/05 at 5:22pm
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Originally posted by Sabon
As I said before, "What I'm worried about is the trend away from FireWire. Is the next full size iPods only going to have USB 2 also?"

When I got my 30GB iPod Photo last March, I was disappointed to notice that it came ONLY with a USB2 cable - no Firewire! It was inconvenient because I have a 1.42GHz MDD G4 Powermac and it doesn't have USB2.. Only USB1 and Firewire 400/800. I had to drive back to the Apple store for a Firewire cable and spend more $$$!!
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post #124 of 150
9/15/05 at 9:32pm
Well I just got a nano. My local Apple Store was sold out of all 4GB nanos. I currently have a 20GB iPod I was considering trading in for the iPod photo. But the iPod photo is thicker than my 3Gb iPod. I have a shuffle for working out but the nano is much better since I get screen and everytgin in a tiny package. And it is really small. This will sell really well, it really isn't that pricy compared with other flash players, and from what I can tell in informal polls, most people only have 300 songs (my 2GB nano only fit 380 songs, but I have most of mine @ 192 AAC.
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post #125 of 150
9/15/05 at 10:07pm
oh bugger. sabon, i think you have reason to be concerned. i just realised that even the ipod color 20gb and 60gb, you *have* to pay extra for a firewire cable!! damn those pc users.

with the iPod mini rev B not including firewire cable out of the box, i was like, okay, i'm willing to let that slide, but not including fw out of the box on their top of the line iPods (20gb and 60gb) is well.. hmm... i'm a bit shocked, frankly...
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post #126 of 150
9/16/05 at 1:05pm
This article is nonsense. On Sunday, I went to the mall here in Austin just when it was opening. There might have been 50 people in the entire mall and 45 of them were at the Apple Store. And all of those people were drooling around the nano. There continues to be lengthy lines at the cash register when I passed by today.

This littel device is going to put my daughter through college so, please, no more negative articles!
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post #127 of 150
9/16/05 at 3:28pm
Question:
Just ordered a nano which i'll be using with my g5 but i was wondering if it can charge it's battery with usb 1.1 from my PB Ti and not conflict with the itunes on my laptop.
Obviously i'm not carrying my g5 around if i leave my home for a few days...

Not trying to hijack thread here, just a quick question so i don't need to start a new thread and since i bought one, i thought i'd ask here...
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post #128 of 150
9/16/05 at 5:03pm
i think the charging only part through usb1.1 should be no problem. hell, syncing through usb1.1. should be alright too

tomster: are you working at an apple store/dealership or have you got a lot of shares in apple?
heh.... in any case dont worry, so far it looks like your daughter is a shoe-in for the "uncle steve and the magic iPod factory scholarship"

heh.. just don't pull any homer simpsons with that college fund
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post #129 of 150
9/16/05 at 5:05pm
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Originally posted by drazztikka
.....and not conflict with the itunes on my laptop.....

you can set preferences in iTunes on your laptop to ignore syncing with the ipod. so it *should* treat it as just like a usb drive. even if itunes-ipod syncing is turned 'on' on the laptop, it asks you, "this ipod is syncing with another computer, do you want to sync with this computer" to which you answer, NO.
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post #130 of 150
9/18/05 at 2:04pm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...676277-3578416

Looks like the Nano is #3 in electronics at Amazon.

Ooooops - looks like they are #2 now.
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post #131 of 150
9/18/05 at 6:42pm
you forgot to mention that
1. is iPod 20gb (non-color, 4th? gen)
4. is iPod nano (white)
5. is iPod 20gb (color photo)
6. is iPod mini (silver 2nd gen)

[in addition to]
2. is iPod nano (black)
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post #132 of 150
9/18/05 at 7:19pm
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Originally posted by sunilraman
you forgot to mention that
1. is iPod 20gb (non-color, 4th? gen)
4. is iPod nano (white)
5. is iPod 20gb (color photo)
6. is iPod mini (silver 2nd gen)

[in addition to]
2. is iPod nano (black)

THAT is just damn impressive!! I also like seeing MS Office Students for Mac at 19!!! Ahead of World of Warcraft!! I guess Macs are really a bit more than the 4% everyone says....
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post #133 of 150
9/18/05 at 7:28pm
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Originally posted by sunilraman
you forgot to mention that
1. is iPod 20gb (non-color, 4th? gen)
4. is iPod nano (white)
5. is iPod 20gb (color photo)
6. is iPod mini (silver 2nd gen)

[in addition to]
2. is iPod nano (black)

Yes - BUT - the best part is that the next competing MP3 player is at position 39! There are something like 10 iPods between it and #1!



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post #134 of 150
9/18/05 at 7:35pm
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Yes - BUT - the best part is that the next competing MP3 player is at position 39! There are something like 10 iPods between it and #1!




And this begs the question....why discontinue the iPod Mini at all?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?
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post #135 of 150
9/18/05 at 8:57pm
iPod nano 4GB (black):

Apple.com ship 5-7 days
Crutchfield.com Temporarily out of stock
Amazon.com In stock soon.
JR.com Temporarily Out of Stock
BestBuy.com Item is out of stock
CircuitCity.com Temporarily unavailable for shipping
Target.com Item arriving in 2 to 6 weeks. Order now.

...sounds like a slow start to me
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post #136 of 150
9/18/05 at 9:37pm
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Originally posted by MacGregor
And this begs the question....why discontinue the iPod Mini at all?!?!?


That was actually a pretty big move on their part. One scenario is that the Nano is cheaper to make than the Mini, since they did the scroll wheel themselves, and there looks like there is less assembly involved.

The other thing is - they probably had to buy a complete shit load of Samsungs Flash memory to get the discounts (some people estimate 40% of Samsung's inventory) - so they don't want the Mini to eat into Nano sales.
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post #137 of 150
9/18/05 at 9:40pm
~~post fixed, thanks peoples.
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post #138 of 150
9/18/05 at 9:42pm
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Originally posted by ikDigital
iPod nano 4GB (black):

Apple.com ship 5-7 days
Crutchfield.com Temporarily out of stock
Amazon.com In stock soon.
JR.com Temporarily Out of Stock
BestBuy.com Item is out of stock
CircuitCity.com Temporarily unavailable for shipping
Target.com Item arriving in 2 to 6 weeks. Order now.

...sounds like a slow start to me


heh. a family friend of mine from malaysistan is visiting his mum-in-law in SF east bay... he's coming back in 3 weeks. i can forget about asking him to pick up a black nano for me
i suppose apple.com could get it out to sf east bay in a week as indicated but.... meh. i'l stick to my retro-cool-in-demand iPod mini 1st gen silver
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post #139 of 150
9/18/05 at 10:03pm
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Originally posted by the cool gut
That was actually a pretty big move on their part. One scenario is that the Nano is cheaper to make than the Mini, since they did the scroll wheel themselves, and there looks like there is less assembly involved.

The other thing is - they probably had to buy a complete shit load of Samsungs Flash memory to get the discounts (some people estimate 40% of Samsung's inventory) - so they don't want the Mini to eat into Nano sales.

I doubt the Nano is cheaper and I don't think eating into nano sales will be much of a problem. They need to create an ecosystem where the Nano and the Mini are just two different markets. Mini's for kids going to school and Nano's for adults who need stop watches and color screens for calendars, etc. Why give up the cheap, color coordinated hard drive market to someone else if you don't have to? If I were Creative, I'd make the best Mini knockoff I could and start selling it before people realize Apple has stopped. In the consumer electronics field, there is less value in a simplified, clean product line, unlike computers. There is no reason to artificially make iPods in only two or three form-factors.
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post #140 of 150
9/19/05 at 6:27am
I'm not surprised that sales are slow. It's the same price as a Mini for half the storage space. That's no deal.

Apple is a really innovative company, but I can't help feeling that they're trying to screw me for every penny.

The Nano just isn't priced to match its value.
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post #141 of 150
9/19/05 at 8:00am
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Originally posted by chameleon
I'm not surprised that sales are slow. It's the same price as a Mini for half the storage space. That's no deal.

Apple is a really innovative company, but I can't help feeling that they're trying to screw me for every penny.

The Nano just isn't priced to match its value.

Well, they said the exact same thing about the mini when is came out too.
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post #142 of 150
9/19/05 at 8:08am
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Originally posted by chameleon
I'm not surprised that sales are slow. It's the same price as a Mini for half the storage space. That's no deal.

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The Nano just isn't priced to match its value.

There are several posts that have pretty well established that pretty much no store has any stock of these devices, they come in and sell out quickly.

I suppose having longer lasting, much more reliable and durable media storage type in a device that's less than half the volume has poor value. Also, the previous device didn't have a color screen. Overall, I think it's clearly a better value than the mini it replaced. As a flash-based device, I think these things are an incredible value, the 2GB unit is priced about the same or only a bit more than some competing 1GB flash devices that have a monochrome screen.
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post #143 of 150
9/19/05 at 8:38am
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Originally posted by chameleon
I'm not surprised that sales are slow.

IF they are. No reliable indications that they are...and some signals that the opposite is true.

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Originally posted by chameleon
It's the same price as a Mini for half the storage space.

I'd bet money they found that customers wanted smaller/lighter/thinner/better battery...AND...that they weren't actually using the space that they had on their iPod minis.
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post #144 of 150
9/19/05 at 10:40am
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Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
I'd bet money they found that customers wanted smaller/lighter/thinner/better battery...AND...that they weren't actually using the space that they had on their iPod minis.

Bingo bango:

I currently have 3900 files in iTunes, I think around 20 are videos. What would I want to put on a iPod nano?

- Well for a start lets put on every track that I have rated 4 or 5 stars. Thats currently 2.6GB.

- Next up I should probably add any unplayed podcasts. I don't need ones that I've already played really. At the moment there sits 12 podcasts to be listened to and they're 168.2MB. Total: 2.76GB.

- Okay so loads of space left. I guess every song that I've played more than 10 times is probably decent. So lets mix those in: there's 475 tracks at 1.74GB. **I'll explain here that I have a folder containing smart playlists, clicking the folder reveals all tracks in the playlists contained, so if the track is in Top Rated and 10+ Plays, it only shows up once** The total is 2.78GB.

- Right, so I'm now having to find out what else I can put on. I'm thinking any recently added albums or songs that I haven't yet rated so I can listen and review. Say the added in the last 3 months. That's 301 tracks and 1.09GB. The total now coming to 3.78GB and 1002 tracks. Perfect for a nano.

The 3/4 of my music is most likely not too interesting album tracks and such. If I wanted to listen to specific albums, I have a few MBs free to add them to a playlist in the nano folder. I'll stick to my 40GB iPod for the moment, but after seeing how much I can get on a nano, I must say it's mighty tempting...!
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post #145 of 150
9/19/05 at 7:29pm
you know, if most of the iPod fan/user base says "nah, don't want a nano", that's actually a good sign. it means apple has targeted the non-iPod-using market, which means they are targeting to grow the iPod line outside of people who already have iPods and hence are less likely to buy the nano.

i think this is the very first time on the apple website IIRC that you can clearly see a non-apple-branded desktop or laptop, running, windows of course, on their website:



for chrissakes its a bloody HP pavillion of all things
my mind is blown...
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post #146 of 150
9/19/05 at 8:29pm
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Originally posted by sunilraman
you know, if most of the iPod fan/user base says "nah, don't want a nano", that's actually a good sign. it means apple has targeted the non-iPod-using market, which means they are targeting to grow the iPod line outside of people who already have iPods and hence are less likely to buy the nano.

i think this is the very first time on the apple website IIRC that you can clearly see a non-apple-branded desktop or laptop, running, windows of course, on their website:



for chrissakes its a bloody HP pavillion of all things
my mind is blown...

What you see in the picture above is Apple target marketing. If you are on a P.C. viewing the site, you see an iPod plugged into a P.C. If you view the same page with a Mac, then you would see in plugged into an iBook

Voila:

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post #147 of 150
9/19/05 at 11:12pm
that's cool
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post #148 of 150
9/20/05 at 12:13am
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post #149 of 150
9/20/05 at 7:59am
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Originally posted by the cool gut
If you view the same page with a Mac, then you would see in plugged into an iBook

Voila:


Uh, that's a Powerbook.
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post #150 of 150
9/20/05 at 8:56am
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
Uh, that's a Powerbook.

You say tomayto, I say tomahto.
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