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post #41 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:14pm
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Originally posted by Gakusei
They should've released 4 and 6 gig models.

The 6 gig will most likely be the Rev B
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post #42 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:15pm
Overproducing?

Where are people getting this? Apple has sold every single iPod that has ever come off the line.

Some stores sold out of one model and not the other and somehow this equates to over production or something bad? It should be obvious by now that apple has no problems getting rid of iPods.

When the first sales data starts rolling in, Apple will adjust production. This is simply how business works, perfection is unattainable.

If anything, apple has demonstrated a nearly impecable record of producing the "right" music players. That is, unless people were expecting perfection, for a company to deliver exactly the qty of each model to be sold on the first weekend?

Nothing bad or even unexpected happened with the nano release!
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post #43 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:23pm
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Originally posted by Booga

The stupid dock adapter that doesn't adapt to anything probably makes people feel less warm and fuzzy about their purchase, but at that point they've already bought.

What are you talking about?
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post #44 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:27pm
Genentech is buying all 8000+ of it's employees 4 GB iPod nanos. I haven't talked to one person who didn't choose the black one over the white one when we registered for what color we wanted.

So, it seems that the black is just more popular at the moment. Perhaps the problem is that, below a certain size, if a product is white and plastic, it looks like a digital kitchen timer to most people. :-)
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post #45 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:39pm
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Originally posted by dfiler
Windows/USB2 syncs iPods faster than OSX/firewire. (Sorry, don't recall the link)

I say this despite being a Mac user and prefering firewire on a technical level.

Far more people lack firewire than lack USB. In the real world, USB is perfect for this device even if a handful of firewire fundamentalists claim that it is a deal breaker.

Keep in mind that no one in this thread said to dump USB 2.

One problem that you miss is that a lot of Macs are in use that have Firewire and only USB 1. Even if we get hypothetical, it's trivial to add FW to most PCs. Unfortunately, a much greater fraction of Macs are not expandable, not all laptops have an external Cardbus/ PCMCIA slot and only PowerMacs have full PCI slots. Also, a lot of PowerMacs new and old can't sleep properly with USB devices plugged into an add-in USB card.
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post #46 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:42pm
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Originally posted by jdbartlett
What the Nano doesn't have is color selection. It may have a color screen, but it still doesn't come in color - and rubber/silicon skins are not the answer. I tried one of these recently and it felt gross to touch my iPod (plus the iSkin I tried left some nasty marks on my iPod).

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Originally posted by MacGregor
ProPod Nano, engraved with your corporate logo.
iPod Mini with pink fuzzy teddybear accessories.

You guys may be interested in a red, green or pink iPod nano? Or one with custom logo/print?

http://www.colorwarepc.com

(I'm not affiliated with these guys, nor have I ever purchased anything from them - but looks like a nice service)
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post #47 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:46pm
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Originally posted by Gakusei
They should've released 4 and 6 gig models.

I don't think that will be a problem, 6 months from now, but this is unrealistic right now. The 6GB model would probably be $300.

Compare the nano with the price of 2 and 4GB SD cards.
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post #48 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:54pm
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Originally posted by afalkner
yeah. I guess I see it both ways. But cant help but wonder the reaction if they had released them in 4 colors..

White, Black, Purple and Navy or Dark Green or Red or or or or......



I suspect Apple knows about trends. Every few years, an injection of colour shakes things up and everyone goes ape sh*t making everything from keychains to CD holders in a multitude of colours.

No more multi-coloured device from Apple...black and white are just fine...at least for a few years.
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post #49 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:54pm
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Originally posted by JeffDM
I don't think that will be a problem, 6 months from now, but this is unrealistic right now. The 6GB model would probably be $300.

Compare the nano with the price of 2 and 4GB SD cards.

Actually it will be:

4GB $199
6GB $249
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post #50 of 150
9/13/05 at 1:57pm
see just seeing the nanos in the different colors sparks interest. and for people I think that is what got them so interested in the mini was the ability to very simply personalize their mini by picking a color that represented them.
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post #51 of 150
9/13/05 at 2:08pm
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Originally posted by akhomerun
sales will pick up when apple actually lets the public know through magazine and TV ads.

TV ads for the nano and phone have been getting more than enough airplay on Comedy Central.
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post #52 of 150
9/13/05 at 2:08pm
I think I want to clarify my position here....I dig the nano and would my self pick the black one. But listening to my wife say how she wishes they came in color and noticing when I go to the gym that almost all the men that have ipods have the regular ipod and almost all the women have minis of various colors. I dont know how many times I've heard a woman describe her ipod mini as cute instead of cool. The nano definately appeals to the geek but the minis appeal was to woman what a new pair of shoes are....accessories to their wardrobe...okay now im getting retarded...hope someone knows what Im getting at. Its not that I hate the nano I just feel the mini and its colors had more appeal to certain areas of our population. And paying 65 dollars more just to get it colored doesnt seem to me to be a good deal. ill stop now. 8)
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post #53 of 150
9/13/05 at 2:20pm
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Originally posted by Booga
The stupid dock adapter that doesn't adapt to anything probably makes people feel less warm and fuzzy about their purchase, but at that point they've already bought.

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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
What are you talking about?

It looks like the included dock adapter allows the design of a universal third party dock connector-compatible devices, that all future iPod designs will have a plate that allows it to adapt to the universal design. Right now, it looks like nothing uses it, but I expect that to change over the coming months.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302272
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post #54 of 150
9/13/05 at 2:22pm
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Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
Actually it will be:

4GB $199
6GB $249

I meant if they released a 6GB NOW, that it probably would have to cost $300, due to the current cost of the flash RAM chips. When the next revision comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if they did release those sizes at the prices you state.
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post #55 of 150
9/13/05 at 3:05pm
I don't understand why Apple has gotten rid of there "Flavors?" Apple started the colorful electronic rage and now seems to have abandoned it. People, especially at my age (highschool) really dig the colors. They couldn't care less about the thinness of the device. Most people who I told about the iPod nano just coming in Black and White were really dissapointed. Apple has grown up, meaning they are slowly loosing the younger generations who are their primariy buyers... Sad...

BUT the iPod Nano still looks cool, just don't understand the limited colors...
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post #56 of 150
9/13/05 at 3:11pm
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
... with my 40GB photo, I can't transfer files from mac to pc because its a hard drive. If I had a flash drive, that wouldn't be the case

Actually, I believe the flash drive doesn't change things, it's a drive too. What makes the difference is the format of the drive. Apple has been formatting the flash drives (shuffle) for PCs, which work on a Mac too. Just reformat your iPod to be PC format and reload it. Then you should be able to go between with files.
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post #57 of 150
9/13/05 at 3:19pm
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Originally posted by JeffDM
I meant if they released a 6GB NOW, that it probably would have to cost $300, due to the current cost of the flash RAM chips. When the next revision comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if they did release those sizes at the prices you state.

Also, it is known that the 6GB mini was hardly selling at all compared to the 4GB mini. So, a 6GB nano would likely be wasted. Those who might have purchased it went on to the 20+GB iPods. It would be nice if the nano was priced the same per GB as the mini so that they were $149 (or so) and $199, but Apple likely can't do those prices with the flash RAM and the extras like color screen that the nano brings versus the mini. Sure, perhaps in 6 months to a year, the prices will drop, and there will probably be some new cool other iPod model that you will have to decide between.
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post #58 of 150
9/13/05 at 3:35pm
Firewire is a must. No FireWire, no purchase. At least for us.
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post #59 of 150
9/13/05 at 3:56pm
My two Macs are an 800mhz G4 iMac and a 800mhz G4 PowerBook. Neither of us have USB 2 ports. And to buy a -quality- PCMCI USB adapter isn't exctly inexpensive. So not having FireWire on the nano is a big thing for me.

My two current Macs do everything I need them to do. Faster would be nice but not enough to buy new ones yet. That's what Apple gets for making great products. I don't need to update/replace them as often as I did with my Windows PCs which I don't use anymore.

I already have a 60gb iPod photo. If I didn't, due to the lack of FireWire for the nano I would still have to look at the full size iPods. At least until the next version which probably won't have FireWire either. At least if things continue to go the way they have with the shuffle and nano.
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post #60 of 150
9/13/05 at 4:03pm
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Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
I don't understand why Apple has gotten rid of there "Flavors?" Apple started the colorful electronic rage and now seems to have abandoned it. People, especially at my age (highschool) really dig the colors. They couldn't care less about the thinness of the device. Most people who I told about the iPod nano just coming in Black and White were really dissapointed. Apple has grown up, meaning they are slowly loosing the younger generations who are their primariy buyers... Sad...

BUT the iPod Nano still looks cool, just don't understand the limited colors...

Apple is wise to get rid of the colors. The color scheme was cheap and Fisher-Pricey. The current iPods are much more elegant and state-of-the-art looking than the old iPod mini. While the mini was nice, and so were the color iMacs, it was just nice for a time. Maybe colors will reappear every so often in certain products, just not in every line and not all at once. Even so, the colors seemed out of place with Apple's current brand image and product line. Apple's products seem more uniform now, and it's kind of nice.
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post #61 of 150
9/13/05 at 4:39pm
colors are cool and will return maybe that "changing color patent thing" but colors do have inventory control problems

as far as the lower than expected sales--come on this ipod got sooooo much press and expectations more than other mp3 players it's the new cool but their are a lot of cheaper per gig mini's out there, our walmart has a bunch so as these leave the market the nano will soar. also i bet colors come for christmas or the color changes depending on mood or music.
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post #62 of 150
9/13/05 at 4:41pm
...right... nobody cares about firewire (maybe you and few others who have 2 year old computer that apple should have put usb2 on anyway) if you have a tower mac you can get a USB2 PCI card for $11.99 from frys for your mac. OR you can use the SUPPORTED usb 1.1 (yeah it's slow but it's supported). not to mention most windows machines have usb2


Stop whining.. usb2 is so much better suited to very small portable devices. just deal with it :-)

Apple made it clear that they created a large inventory for the of iPod nanos so they wouldn't outsell the first week. I would guess that those stores were giving enough so they wouldn't run out for two weeks.

I'm sure in a few weeks you'll see apple saying best selling product ever. I can only name about 6 PC people who I know that bought iPods. But this week, like 20 people in my office have shown up with the nano and keep coming over to my desk to show the mac guy. Seriously like everyone in the windows world knows about about this ipod..


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Originally posted by jeffharris
No FireWire?

NO sale...

PERIOD
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post #63 of 150
9/13/05 at 4:42pm
A few comments...

1. There really isn't any incentive for existing iPod owners to buy a iPod nano. My 15 GB 3G iPod hold all of my music and small enough to fit in my pocket just fine.

2. Only one other person on this thread mentioned iPod market saturation. Everyone I know who wants an iPod either has one, or still can't afford one.

3. Some of the iPod accessories are weeks behind. With really no explanation. Were the accessories that much of an after-thought?

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post #64 of 150
9/13/05 at 5:38pm
no offense but if you have an 800mhz mac you shouldn't spend money on an iPod, spend it on a new computer. I'm glad they didn't include firewire, i don't want more, i want less on this ipod. The rest of the world shouldn' be punished because you don't have more mordern computers


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Originally posted by Sabon
My two Macs are an 800mhz G4 iMac and a 800mhz G4 PowerBook. Neither of us have USB 2 ports. And to buy a -quality- PCMCI USB adapter isn't exctly inexpensive. So not having FireWire on the nano is a big thing for me.

My two current Macs do everything I need them to do. Faster would be nice but not enough to buy new ones yet. That's what Apple gets for making great products. I don't need to update/replace them as often as I did with my Windows PCs which I don't use anymore.

I already have a 60gb iPod photo. If I didn't, due to the lack of FireWire for the nano I would still have to look at the full size iPods. At least until the next version which probably won't have FireWire either. At least if things continue to go the way they have with the shuffle and nano.
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post #65 of 150
9/13/05 at 6:27pm
I didn't buy one because I already own an iPod.

Saturation?..... or is Apple banking on people tossing a fairly recently bought Pod on the latest and greatest? Not sure if this sort of thing behaves the same as other consumer products....
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post #66 of 150
9/13/05 at 6:42pm
The iPod is not quite a mature product category. There will still be a lot of people who will be buying them, who have never owned one.
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post #67 of 150
9/13/05 at 6:42pm
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Originally posted by afalkner
see just seeing the nanos in the different colors sparks interest. and for people I think that is what got them so interested in the mini was the ability to very simply personalize their mini by picking a color that represented them.

You still can and Apple knows this as they've obviously given it some thought. White nano + a set of nano tubes. You no longer need to decide on one colour since you have a choice plus protection for the iPod in one. Once people realise this combo I expect it'll do very well and make Apple more money at the same time.

I think you'd find that's why Apple expected better demand for the white since black with nano tubes would look awful.

Excellent move in my eyes...if only they had the accessories available at launch.
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post #68 of 150
9/13/05 at 6:59pm
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Originally posted by webmail
...right... nobody cares about firewire (maybe you and few others who have 2 year old computer that apple should have put usb2 on anyway) if you have a tower mac you can get a USB2 PCI card for $11.99 from frys for your mac. OR you can use the SUPPORTED usb 1.1 (yeah it's slow but it's supported). not to mention most windows machines have usb2

Have you tried to add a USB 2 card to a PowerMac? If you have a device attached and then sleep the computer, a lot of them will simply crash. For example, the OS 9 'fix' for the Adaptec DuoConnect is to install an extension that disables sleep mode. The same computers crash just as well in OS X.

Yes, USB 1.1 is supported, but synchs would be at about 1/10th the speed, hardly what I would call an acceptable compromise.
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post #69 of 150
9/13/05 at 7:11pm
If colors drive sales, why not move that feature up the product line? Maybe we will soon see the much rumored LCD exterior magic color thingy -- in the iPod 20GB of course. In any event, Apple aren't stupid. If colors are really what the market demands, they'll find a way to wring another $50 for the priviledge.
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post #70 of 150
9/13/05 at 7:23pm
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Originally posted by Hobbes
Hmmm, I don't know, I find this report overblown as well.

If anything, it sounds like Apple misjudged the appeal of the black Nanos more than anything else. Which can be fixed fairly quickly.

The change must be a little disorientating for consumers at first, but once people see and handle them... I just don't see how these aren't going be a big hit.

p.s. Note that iPod Nanos are (of course) now the top sellers at the online Apple Store.

i agree,

i think the only problem for apple might be the psycological effect on steve when his marketting people mention the need for black earbuds.

btw i can now disclose im a former apple employee.

Mike
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post #71 of 150
9/13/05 at 7:43pm
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Originally posted by jeffharris
No FireWire?
NO sale...
PERIOD

Well, when it's only a couple of GBs it's not such an issue is it?

I'd be more concerned with "no AV output" (Not that I actually use that on my iPod Photo 30... hmm)
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
with my 40GB photo, I can't transfer files from mac to pc because its a hard drive. If I had a flash drive, that wouldn't be the case

I transfer files from mac to pc all the time. You need to reformat your iPod on a Windows machine (it'll lose ALL your data and songs so back them up first). Then resync it with iTunes on your Mac and all is good.
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post #72 of 150
9/13/05 at 7:45pm
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Originally posted by ThinkDifferent
I don't understand why Apple has gotten rid of there "Flavors?"

Yes after reading here I think flavours would be worth bringing back. And if they make a nice design (not just a plain colour) they could supply OSX desktop designs that match. I know my sister would prefer something like that
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post #73 of 150
9/13/05 at 8:02pm
<sarcasm>Bravo Appleinsider, it's at least the second time you hurt Apple's stock with very unscientific reports about iPod sales numbers.</sarcasm>

Please tell me what is the use of this article that makes great conclusions on very superficial data? It only hurts Apple... Maybe your "insiders" in that case work for the other side?

The funniest thing is that if Apple had trouble meeting the demand because of production problems, you would conclude that the sales are great, even if they sold less than now.
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post #74 of 150
9/13/05 at 8:33pm
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Originally posted by u2mr2os2
Actually, I believe the flash drive doesn't change things, it's a drive too. What makes the difference is the format of the drive. Apple has been formatting the flash drives (shuffle) for PCs, which work on a Mac too. Just reformat your iPod to be PC format and reload it. Then you should be able to go between with files.

Really? If that's the case, why aren't all iPods formatted for pc? that's also a disturbing thought. MS-DOS file system on my iPod
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post #75 of 150
9/13/05 at 9:24pm
Just wanted to say that I tried to get a nano the day after they arrived in stores and couldn't anywhere...

Everything I had heard prior to this story being released had said they were doing extremely well. There was even a story on my local news today about the nano and them being sold out around the country as soon as they were released.

Is this American Technology Research place legit? I can't remember seeing that name before.
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post #76 of 150
9/13/05 at 10:39pm
I think the next version would be 8GB. Flash memory goes up in 2x increments. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, etc. I guess they could use both a 2GB and 4GB chip but probably won't.

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post #77 of 150
9/14/05 at 1:09am
I bought my nano on the second day of availability, and my Apple Store was sold out of the black 4GB already.

I can't help but wonder if Apple should have at least kept the 6GB iPod mini around at the same price. In a perfect world, a $250 6GB mini and a 4GB nano wouldn't interfere with each other the same way the 14 inch iBook and the cheapest iMac don't interfere, because they have different strengths and specialties. Plus, I'm sure many retailers and manufacturers of iPod mini-related accessories must be a little disappointed at it's discontinuance.

I love my nano (even though it scratches - hurry up with accessories Apple!) but I'm not more interested in Apple getting a 20GB into the size of an iPod mini. Are we still quite far from that?
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post #78 of 150
9/14/05 at 2:37am
Originally posted by jeffharris
No FireWire?
NO sale...
PERIOD


*sigh*
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post #79 of 150
9/14/05 at 2:40am
by the way, apparently the iTunes Moto ROKR only has USB1.1
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post #80 of 150
9/14/05 at 3:03am
Well I didn't bother going to buy an iPod nano because I knew that:

1. the shops wouldn't have received any stock yet
2. the shops who had received stock would have sold out
3. the shops who had received stock and sold out wouldn't be able to tell me when they were able to get more stock
4. what's an iPod nano? We've just received our first shipment of the iPod mini.

I've become so used to not being able to get my mits on Apple kit that I don't even bother going out and looking for the new stuff. Maybe this is what a lot of the other people are thinking. 'Yeah it's a great new Apple product but you won't be able to get your hands on one for a few months'. If so, Apple have only got themselves to blame.

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