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At Apple Expo on Tuesday Apple announced a significant update to .Mac online service but did not introduce either of the previously rumored Macintosh hardware revisions.

The .Mac update combines the Macintosh experience with the power of the Internet to facilitate group communication and make sharing, storing and protecting digital photos and videos even easier.

The new version includes features such as .Mac Groups, a service that helps members communicate, coordinate schedules and stay in sync with private groups of friends or colleagues; an updated version of .Mac Backup software that makes it easy for members to archive their iLife and other important files; a four-fold increase in combined iDisk and email storage to 1GB for individuals and 2GB for families; and full French and German localization.

".Mac provides the simple and elegant online experience consumers expect from Apple," said Rob Schoeben, Apple's vice president of Applications Marketing. "By tapping into the power of the Internet from within the applications they use the most, .Mac members around the globe have discovered a better way to experience the Internet."

.Mac is available as a subscription-based service for $100 per year for individuals and $180 for a Family Pack which includes one master account and five sub accounts.

Both the .Mac update and Backup 3.0 software had been predicted in previous reports.
post #2 of 41
*That* was behind the black curtain?
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I'm on the verge of buying a new proffesional mac to get me through this Intel switch. (Either a PowerMac or perhaps a PB if some new ones come?)

All of Apple's 'clever' PR is to me becoming increasingly counter-productive and is actually putting me off buying - I'm now completely confused as to what to do.

We seem to lurch from statements like "Great PPC products are coming" to "Sept is going to be a big month" to hyped launches that deliver another iPod (ok, so a nice iPod I'll admit - but still it's just an iPod) and a normal looking phone that can um well, ... play music.

Then a big show with excitingly blacked out stands, huge rumours and all we get are cancelled keynotes and um, well ... just an up-rated iMac service.

How about some clarity Apple?

Stop promising jam tomorrow and deliver some butter today - particularly for your long suffering professional users.
post #4 of 41
Okay, so what happened to those "REALLY COOL" .mac only Widgets??
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Originally posted by Jeremy Hopes
"Sept is going to be a big month" to hyped launches that deliver another iPod (ok, so a nice iPod I'll admit - but still it's just an iPod) and a normal looking phone that can um well, ... play music.

Then a big show with excitingly blacked out stands, huge rumours and all we get are cancelled keynotes and um, well ... just an up-rated iMac service.

How about some clarity Apple?

Stop promising jam tomorrow and deliver some butter today - particularly for your long suffering professional users.

I'm a bit confused. Has Apple management taken over the rumor sites? It seems that you are holding them to task for not living up to the froth and hype generated by boards like these \
post #6 of 41
We can view the .Mac Groups as a new "widget".
post #7 of 41
No big surprise. The new Macs (minor updated Macs, anyway) aren't ready, or there would likely have been a keynote.

No matter WHAT the news, though (even .Mac update), you still choose your method and date for releasing it. That means you take the black curtains out of the drawer during setup.

That doesn't amount to any kind of "promise" from Apple about today.
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Originally posted by Jeremy Hopes
All of Apple's 'clever' PR is to me becoming increasingly counter-productive and is actually putting me off buying - I'm now completely confused as to what to do.

We seem to lurch from statements like "Great PPC products are coming" to "Sept is going to be a big month"...

While Jobs did say that a lot of great PPC products are coming, all the rumors and hype about hardware being updated today (Apple Expo Paris opening) were spread by lots of people on these various chat/forum boards. I'm not sure it's fair to suggest that this is the result of "clever PR" when it's people like us reading and writing these messages... and not Apple.

However, I do agree with you in that Apple should give us some better indicators of what's happening or will happen. I'm in the market for a new laptop and I also have three clients who have patiently waited to see whether and what Apple would announce/release at Apple Expo Paris. In light of the lack of info from Apple and knowing that the next year or two will be difficult (as businesses they refuse to be sucked into first-generation Intel-on-Macs), some of them will start reconsidering their Mac loyalty. So I agree with you that Apple's lack of at least providing us with some indicators of what will happen is becoming counter-productive.
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I had a feeling this would happen. I said so last night. I hadn't gotten word that anything was up even though I hoped there was.
post #10 of 41
*grumble* *grumble*

So. Apple WAS going to have a keynote; which implies to me they planned to have something keynote worthy - hopefully not the nano. But shortly before they cancelled.

Does that imply that SOMETHING was in the pipe but didn't make it out the other end in time? What's the lead on manufacturing, etc. a new product vs. the lead time of a keynote? Are there upgraded/redesigned PBooks or PMacs sitting in a warehouse waiting for new CPUs? Or is there a manufacturing plant waiting for CPU shipments to start churning out updated products?

I'm just a bit confused why they would schedule a Steve-note months in advance and then cancel close to the date.

Ah well, back to work. Nothing interesting from Apple-land today. *sigh*

- Jasen.
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Are any of you guys getting this crazy page popping up for some morgage company when you click to reply?. It pops up. I close the window, click on the reply page underneith, and it pops up again. Everytime I use the cursor, it pops up.

edit: I've now gone to other sites, and it's only happening here.

What's up moderator?
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Are any of you guys getting this crazy page popping up for some morgage company when you click to reply?. It pops up. I close the window, click on the reply page underneith, and it pops up again. Everytime I use the cursor, it pops up.

edit: I've now gone to other sites, and it's only happening here.

What's up moderator?

I can't believe this either. You're right. I'm furious. The company serving these ads ins't open yet for the day. I've dissabled the top ad. I will get to the bottom of this.

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post #13 of 41
Hi

OK, I take on board what people are saying with regard to rumour sites. Perhaps I was a little aggressive toward them unfairly and shouldn't have used the phrase 'Clever PR', so I'll apologise for that, but...

I've been a professional Mac user for around 15 years or so and I've never known a time when it feels so hard to plan ahead in terms of what's coming and what to spend and when. It's really beginning to affect the business.

Having completed the very painful OS9 to 10 switch we were looking foreward to a nice long stable period in which we could enjoy all the (dare I use this word - as I'm not sure who did promise it ) promised benefits of OSX alongside the PPC stuff. The Intel announcement was a blow, not in terms of hardware (in the end I really don't care what's under the hood) but because it sounds like yet more upheaval and software upgrades. Ok the end result will probably justify things but I not sure I can afford to do it all again so soon!

So, If I'm going to stay with Apple I'm going to need reassurance and information. eg. For quite a while now the only CPU's my suppliers can get are the dual 2.0 - no stocks of the 2.3 or 2.7 Apple doesn't explain why this is...

...surely we deserve more clarity - they must be aware of all the rumours that are flying around. I really would have been reassured more had we been told why the key note was cancelled etc
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The no-show hardware revision may be a very good sign. It could mean Apple is ahead of schedule for the Intel-switch and will release some amazing new Intel-Powerbooks in Jan.

Apple has no reason to release a Powerbook revision, if the entire line is going to be updated in a few months. Then again, it could also mean that Freescale just haven't been able to deliver the updated G4 chip in time. I doubt their engineers are very motivated ...

Oh well. Wait and see. Wonderful world of Apple secrecy.
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post #15 of 41
Wallstreet must be excited about the new .Mac. Apple is up $1.01 as of this post. If Steve would have introduced new quad PM's, G5 PB's, a new set top video box and video iPod with VR goggles, it probably would have dropped. It usually does after a keynote.
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post #16 of 41
I think it's probably up on the "The record companies are greedy, but we aren't going to raise prices" comments from SJ.
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Originally posted by Kasper
I can't believe this either. You're right. I'm furious. The company serving these ads ins't open yet for the day. I've dissabled the top ad. I will get to the bottom of this.

My apologies,

Kasper

Thanks Kasper. That worked.

There's a new way of forcing ads down our throats now. Go to PCMagazine or EWeek which are operated by the same company. An Ad takes up the screen before the actual page comes down. You either have to wait some time or click the link on the top right to make it go away. This is actually being used by the sites themselves.

http://www.eweek.com/prestitial/0,,,...0,3960,,00.asp

They must have gotten complaints as I didn't see it on PC Magazine just now.

Well, I just clicked this link and it didn't happen. Maybe it only happens the first time in a session.

I'm happy this is not some sort of revenue raiser here.
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Originally posted by murk
Wallstreet must be excited about the new .Mac. Apple is up $1.01 as of this post. If Steve would have introduced new quad PM's, G5 PB's, a new set top video box and video iPod with VR goggles, it probably would have dropped. It usually does after a keynote.

It's at 53.71 now on my real time account and hit a high of 53.81 so far.

But the But the NYSE is up almost 19, and the NASD has been up over 14, though both are coming down a bit now. So this could also be the reason.

Yesterday the new Nano, iBook, and iMac reports drove it up even though the markets were down considerably.

The statement about iTunes pricing could also be a factor. Though if he insults the music industry exec's too much it could backfire.
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It´s about time they upgrade their .Mac services... 250MB for this price is ridiculous at best!

And at least, they could provide us with more servers - download speeds of 70kbp/s make me the laughing stock of everyone when they are downloading my musicvideos.
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Originally posted by Denmaru
It´s about time they upgrade their .Mac services... 250MB for this price is ridiculous at best!

And at least, they could provide us with more servers - download speeds of 70kbp/s make me the laughing stock of everyone when they are downloading my musicvideos.

You're saying that you or they get 70 kilo BITS/sec download? something is wrong. It's not that slow. Depending on your (their) connection speed if it's broadband, 70 kilo BYTES/sec would be more like it. Though that's slow as well.

Someone on Ars said that he went Transmit, and his speeds are much faster.
post #21 of 41
Hmmm... since the Back-to-School deal ends on the 24th (same day as Expo), perhaps the rumoured revisions will occur next week?

One can hope.
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Originally posted by theBlend
Hmmm... since the Back-to-School deal ends on the 24th (same day as Expo), perhaps the rumoured revisions will occur next week?

One can hope.

I think it'll occur whenever the upgraded hardware is ready to ship. Something probably went wrong somewhere (IBM?), hence the Keynote cancellation etc...

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1GB of storage?

At $99 per year?

Please. What kind of fools does Jobs think we are?
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Originally posted by Apparatus
1GB of storage?

At $99 per year?

Please. What kind of fools does Jobs think we are?

I guess I'm that kind of fool. I just attempted to "get" the free upgrade... nothing happened.
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they keep trying, but still can't touch the space i get with free gmail (2.6GB)
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1GB of storage?

At $99 per year?

Please. What kind of fools does Jobs think we are?

Syncing by itself is worth the $99.

I hardly use the mail address, I don't use iDisk, I uploaded photos from iPhoto to my homepage once, but I sync between my two Macs every single day.
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Originally posted by Jeremy Hopes
Having completed the very painful OS9 to 10 switch we were looking foreward to a nice long stable period in which we could enjoy all the (dare I use this word - as I'm not sure who did promise it ) promised benefits of OSX alongside the PPC stuff. The Intel announcement was a blow, not in terms of hardware (in the end I really don't care what's under the hood) but because it sounds like yet more upheaval and software upgrades. Ok the end result will probably justify things but I not sure I can afford to do it all again so soon!

If you buy Macs today they will last for a couple of years at least. You don't have to run out and get the Intel Macs and Intel versions of the software the same day they're released an dmost of your current software will likely run on Intel machines when you buy new hardware the next time.

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If you buy Macs today they will last for a couple of years at least. You don't have to run out and get the Intel Macs and Intel versions of the software the same day they're released an dmost of your current software will likely run on Intel machines when you buy new hardware the next time.

If you need the power now, you buy now.

Unless you intend to do truely hi end work they will last a lot longer than "two years at least". four years is a more apt time.

Being that PPC Powermacs will continue to be available until end of 2007, that isn't a concern either.

Despite the lack of new hardware at the Paris fair, we should be seeing replacements coming fairly soon. At any rate, if it's a Powerbook, and someone needs a major PPC upgrade it isn't likely, but even the current ones are "good enough" for the time being. I suggest taking advantage of Apples large drop in pricing of refurbished ones if price is an issue. that will make it easier to get a new x86 model shortly after they do come out mid to late 2006.
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they keep trying, but still can't touch the space i get with free gmail (2.6GB)

You are comparing apples and oranges. All you can use the space on Gmail for is mail. You can setup 15 meg of space on .Mac and use the remaining space as backup for files. It isn't all about mail.
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You are comparing apples and oranges. All you can use the space on Gmail for is mail. You can setup 15 meg of space on .Mac and use the remaining space as backup for files. It isn't all about mail.

Yeah! I don't understand why people want to keep all of their mail on someone else's servers anyway. That never made sense to me. I always have the server delete my mails as soon as I download them. A GB, or even two, is no big deal on todays machines, even portables.

If someone is really afraid that their own machine might crash and they'll lose all their mail, remember that these online servers do the same thing. Security is also questionalbe.

You can always backup these vast mail files on a DVD-RW.

So I really don't understand the problem.
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One GB is still hella weak. I don't use syncing at all. I use iDisk and mail, and that's about it. And at that price, I should get at LEAST 4GB.
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Originally posted by melgross
Unless you intend to do truely hi end work they will last a lot longer than "two years at least". four years is a more apt time.

Being that PPC Powermacs will continue to be available until end of 2007, that isn't a concern either.

Despite the lack of new hardware at the Paris fair, we should be seeing replacements coming fairly soon. At any rate, if it's a Powerbook, and someone needs a major PPC upgrade it isn't likely, but even the current ones are "good enough" for the time being. I suggest taking advantage of Apples large drop in pricing of refurbished ones if price is an issue. that will make it easier to get a new x86 model shortly after they do come out mid to late 2006.

Thanks for reminding me why I am a hardcore Mac addict...hey, my Performa 6400/200 is still working (9 years!) and I won't be struggling to upgrade my G5 "monster" because of the Intel switch.

A gigabyte of iDisk space -- not that big a deal. But I'll still test Apple's support and hunt for workarounds in here!
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Yeah! I don't understand why people want to keep all of their mail on someone else's servers anyway.

That's rather dismissive of you. The inability to think of a circumstance for yourself doesn't mean there isn't a reason for others.

I access my e-mail from at least 4 different computers, and that's just between home and work. It's even more when I travel. Deleting them from the server is not an option.

From pure storage, .mac is lacking. But the iDisk is integrated, and maintaining a backup of critical stuff is trivial. So is quickly setting up photo sharing. For me, the ease of use trumps storage statistics.
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Originally posted by melgross
Yeah! I don't understand why people want to keep all of their mail on someone else's servers anyway. That never made sense to me. I always have the server delete my mails as soon as I download them. A GB, or even two, is no big deal on todays machines, even portables.

Cheap off site backup...and running a private mail server is a little tricky for anything short of an IT professiional, that is why accountants don't configre SMTP, pop3, imap, www interfaces... on the server and why tech dont do...whatever tasks an accountant would do...+++


And the off site backup is as accessable as any on sight backup, unless the net is down...but then what the hell good is email?

Put yourself in the path of a huracain, your office and home are leveled, you still want to attempt to do business, and communicate with family, but you don't have their email addresses or other info they emailed you -- that isnt a problem for gmail/.mac users.
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That's rather dismissive of you. The inability to think of a circumstance for yourself doesn't mean there isn't a reason for others.

I access my e-mail from at least 4 different computers, and that's just between home and work. It's even more when I travel. Deleting them from the server is not an option.

From pure storage, .mac is lacking. But the iDisk is integrated, and maintaining a backup of critical stuff is trivial. So is quickly setting up photo sharing. For me, the ease of use trumps storage statistics.

No. You misunderstood what I was saying. I said that "I don't understand". And then I gave reasons.

Now it's up to someone such as yourself to give reasons why it serves a purpose for you. Which you did.

That's called a "dialog". There was nothing dismissive about it. If I were being dismissive, as some people here often are about what others say, I would have said that" it's stupid to keep your mail on a server".
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Fair enough, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Originally posted by a_greer
Cheap off site backup...and running a private mail server is a little tricky for anything short of an IT professiional, that is why accountants don't configre SMTP, pop3, imap, www interfaces... on the server and why tech dont do...whatever tasks an accountant would do...+++


And the off site backup is as accessable as any on sight backup, unless the net is down...but then what the hell good is email?

Put yourself in the path of a huracain, your office and home are leveled, you still want to attempt to do business, and communicate with family, but you don't have their email addresses or other info they emailed you -- that isnt a problem for gmail/.mac users.

Ok, another good reason.

Let me make it a bit clearer as to what I was referring to.

Most people I've talked to about this DON'T do what you and tchwojko do. They simply never dump an e-mail. They keep them forever. No rhyme or reason. They just can't imagine getting rid of them. They have years of long forgotten e-mails. We all know pack rats. These are the people I'm talking about.
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Ok, another good reason.

Let me make it a bit clearer as to what I was referring to.

Most people I've talked to about this DON'T do what you and tchwojko do. They simply never dump an e-mail. They keep them forever. No rhyme or reason. They just can't imagine getting rid of them. They have years of long forgotten e-mails. We all know pack rats. These are the people I'm talking about.

i mean, i don't mean to get into an argument about email, but are you saying that MOST people don't access their email from multiple locations? Because that is where having massive amounts of storage off-site comes in handy. I can quickly grab any of dozens of 3 or 5 or 10mb word or PDF files from any computer, work, home, other work, different office, etc, not to mention checking out possible necessary details by searching my archives of messages (from anywhere). I'm not a betting man, but i'd say this is probably very common behavior.
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Originally posted by progmac
i mean, i don't mean to get into an argument about email, but are you saying that MOST people don't access their email from multiple locations? Because that is where having massive amounts of storage off-site comes in handy. I can quickly grab any of dozens of 3 or 5 or 10mb word or PDF files from any computer, work, home, other work, different office, etc, not to mention checking out possible necessary details by searching my archives of messages (from anywhere). I'm not a betting man, but i'd say this is probably very common behavior.

Yeah, according to surveys, most people don't do that. Even if they did, do they really need that e-mail from 8 years ago? Think about what most e-mails contain.

I'm not talking about business, where the law says that you MUST keep every e-mail.
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Originally posted by melgross
Yeah, according to surveys, most people don't do that. Even if they did, do they really need that e-mail from 8 years ago? Think about what most e-mails contain.

I'm not talking about business, where the law says that you MUST keep every e-mail.

fair enough, i'm not up on all the surveys. i guess we should bring back the 10mb of storage that was standard before gmail, since that is what people need?

people might not need an email from their aunt from 8 years ago, but the copy of a powerpoint presentation on so-and-so from one year ago sure might come in handy.
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