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post #121 of 175
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
Also it's much better to shut down regularly - at start up routine checks are made on the computer making sure it's in order - I never leave my computer on for more than a few days

I really don't understand what you are talking about.
post #122 of 175
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Originally posted by PB
I really don't understand what you are talking about.

I think he means that it does a simple RAM rest, and does a basic Disk Utility check as well.

But he's forgetting all of the checks and cleanup ( daily, weekly, monthly) it does when it's left on.
post #123 of 175
The new Mac minis are considerably better than the older ones. I'd have enough money to bear the brunt of a restocking fee (even if there's no guarantee of getting the right model the second time), but many more consumers do not. As in the case of the iPod nano, one ticked off customer can cause some trouble. The difference is Apple's computer market is small enough as it is, they don't wanna piss people off there too.
post #124 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
I think he means that it does a simple RAM rest, and does a basic Disk Utility check as well.

Even so, I don't see why this is a reason to regularly shut down a macine that works well. If you have for example defective RAM, you will most probably experience kernel panics and you will know that there is problem. And the startup check is not going to correct it.

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But he's forgetting all of the checks and cleanup ( daily, weekly, monthly) it does when it's left on.

Well, yes, but on a machine that goes to sleep every night, those do not run. It is however trivial to force them run whenever one likes.
post #125 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
But he's forgetting all of the checks and cleanup ( daily, weekly, monthly) it does when it's left on.

No I'm not actually - I perform these checks myself using the Terminal.
post #126 of 175
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Originally posted by PB
Even so, I don't see why this is a reason to regularly shut down a macine that works well. If you have for example defective RAM, you will most probably experience kernel panics and you will know that there is problem. And the startup check is not going to correct it.


Well, yes, but on a machine that goes to sleep every night, those do not run. It is however trivial to force them run whenever one likes.

I don't consider the turn on checks to be important myself. I just mentioned them as a posible reason. I think the other checks work even if sleep is used.

But you do have to check the system regularly even if it is working well. I do find occasional problems.
post #127 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
I don't consider the turn on checks to be important myself. I just mentioned them as a posible reason. I think the other checks work even if sleep is used.

But you do have to check the system regularly even if it is working well. I do find occasional problems.

The OS won't run it's regular cron maint. if it is sleeping...

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post #128 of 175
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Originally posted by Aurora
Those are nice specs, a Macmini with 64mb video and a 1.5 G4 will make for a very solid all around computer. 5 out of 5 stars. Sweet.

With the faster Hard Drive it basically would fix most of what was wrong with it. i would go out and buy one if.............
Apple weren't swtiching to Intels soon.
Not buying an outdated computer.
post #129 of 175
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Originally posted by MacRonin
The OS won't run it's regular cron maint. if it is sleeping...

Spring for Cocktail, only costs US$15 for a single-user lifetime license/updates...

www.macosxcocktail.com

I think YASU is better
http://www.jimmitchelldesigns.com/software.html
post #130 of 175
Onyx is da bomb. Just run it once a month and things are sweet. I was getting problems backing up my user folders in 10.4.2 for some reason but Onyx sorted it good...... At least with Onyx as well, I feel, okay, let's clean house, click a button, bam! its being done... rather than waiting for some mysterious processes that may run at certain times of the night/day/startup/etc etc....

I'll admit. It's a bad habit of "i gotta defrag my hard disk every week" from my windoze upbringing \
post #131 of 175
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Originally posted by MacRonin
The OS won't run it's regular cron maint. if it is sleeping...

Spring for Cocktail, only costs US$15 for a single-user lifetime license/updates...

www.macosxcocktail.com

I've been using cocktail for a long time. When I keep my machines on, I only have the monitor off.

None of these programs replace Disk Utility or Diskwarrior.
post #132 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross

But you do have to check the system regularly even if it is working well. I do find occasional problems.

Could you be more specific on that?
post #133 of 175
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Originally posted by PB
Could you be more specific on that?

Typical errors in the disk database. They creep up on you whether or not the machine is on all the time. This isn't the fault of the OS, it's just the usual corruption that all systems are subject to. The routines run at night don't fix disk errors. And if you have more than one drive or partition, they aren't checked at all.
post #134 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
Typical errors in the disk database. They creep up on you whether or not the machine is on all the time. This isn't the fault of the OS, it's just the usual corruption that all systems are subject to. The routines run at night don't fix disk errors. And if you have more than one drive or partition, they aren't checked at all.

I don't think just restarting the machine would solve such problems (MacCrazy's point), unless you force-run fsck. Or is it running automatically during startup? Which I doubt, judging from the time it takes when run manually. Besides, the MacOS is now journaled and problems from disk corruption (not physical damage of course) are much less common than before. But yes, if I am not mistaken, for the journal to take effect, you have to restart the machine.
post #135 of 175
wow, we all managed to drift way, way,way off subject. isn't this the new mac mini thread? If those specs are ture, i'll get that anyday
post #136 of 175
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Originally posted by PB
I don't think just restarting the machine would solve such problems (MacCrazy's point), unless you force-run fsck. Or is it running automatically during startup? Which I doubt, judging from the time it takes when run manually. Besides, the MacOS is now journaled and problems from disk corruption (not physical damage of course) are much less common than before. But yes, if I am not mistaken, for the journal to take effect, you have to restart the machine.

I've noticed a more stable computer after a restart - this could just be my impression but I like to empty the RAM every so often - this could be a completely false impression. I like my iPod to connect to iTunes etc. which only happens once each time it's opened. It's these little bits that occur but there are probably no adverse side effects to leaving it on.

Back to the thread though - these specs look good, but still not good enough compared to the iMac.
post #137 of 175
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
...these specs look good, but still not good enough compared to the iMac.

Mac mini - £359 - £499

iMac - £899 - £1199

Why are you comparing a Mac mini with an iMac? The mini is basically a headless eMac.
post #138 of 175
so if the models are "officially announced" as updated, would the older models be cleared at a $50-$100 discount?

i hope that apple clears things up soon, announces the new models, only sell these new models on the apple store, and then through other channels clear out all the inventory of older models. if their margins are quite thin on the mini, and especially since were are now in the christmas frenzy quarter, i'm not sure why apple would want to scrape every penny of profit out of the older models, when an announcement of new models** could start of some good volume of mac christmas buying on the right foot...

**in this case its not the "bigger better specs" that would attract people but the "new!", "latest!" and "just updated!" angle of things. the fact that there is DEDICATED 64mb of VRAM though would be one of the most important specs to push to differentiate themselves from budget Dull/ generic beigebox integrated graphics/ shared memory stuff... complain as we might about ati 9200, the other day i saw an ad for a toshiba laptop, it was like, 64mb of dedicated vram! but for an onboard ati 9000
post #139 of 175
hardmac has the serial numbers to look out for if you wanna be sure you are getting the updated mac mini
http://hardmac.com/news/2005-09-30/

there's going to be people pulling lots of hurley's (from Lost) ~ "the numbers are bad, man..." to demand to see the serial number of the unit before buying it. of course, no guarantee that this will work \
post #140 of 175
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Originally posted by sunilraman
hardmac has the serial numbers to look out for if you wanna be sure you are getting the updated mac mini
http://hardmac.com/news/2005-09-30/

there's going to be people pulling lots of hurley's (from Lost) ~ "the numbers are bad, man..." to demand to see the serial number of the unit before buying it. of course, no guarantee that this will work \

The serial number should be on the Apple tag on the outside of the box. So as long as the serial number list is correct there shouldn't be any problems finding a mini with the updated specs.
post #141 of 175
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Originally posted by sunilraman
hardmac has the serial numbers to look out for if you wanna be sure you are getting the updated mac mini
http://hardmac.com/news/2005-09-30/

there's going to be people pulling lots of hurley's (from Lost) ~ "the numbers are bad, man..." to demand to see the serial number of the unit before buying it. of course, no guarantee that this will work \

I don't know why people can't simply wait a few weeks. By then all of the older units should have gone by by.
post #142 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
I don't know why people can't simply wait a few weeks. By then all of the older units should have gone by by.

Because too many people want it NOW!

I wonder what Freud would have to say about this "I want it when I want it, which is now" attitude.
post #143 of 175
i wonder if the apple store guys will get real suspicious when you go in and you're like... hey, i wanna like, get a mac mini... umm.... can i see the box first, just to, you know, see if ummm....
post #144 of 175
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Originally posted by ka2357
Because too many people want it NOW!

I wonder what Freud would have to say about this "I want it when I want it, which is now" attitude.

Children have that attitude. It is supposed to disappear when someone matures. Adults are supposed to understand that putting something off today will gain them a greater benefit later. As in waiting until it can be assumed that the old units have been sold through,

Other than the sold through part, that is what Freud did say.
post #145 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
Children have that attitude. It is supposed to disappear when someone matures. Adults are supposed to understand that putting something off today will gain them a greater benefit later. As in waiting until it can be assumed that the old units have been sold through,

Other than the sold through part, that is what Freud did say.

There wouldn't be too many banks offering credit cards if people actually took on this adult attitude you speak of.
post #146 of 175
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Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
There wouldn't be too many banks offering credit cards if people actually took on this adult attitude you speak of.

No, if you don't spend more than you can afford to pay back on a monthly basis it could be a benefit. Only those who allow their purchases to reach levels that they can't pay back fit that catagory.

We use our AmEx card for almost everything, but we have to pay in full every month. No interest charges. We also pay off our Visa and MasterCard every month.

It can be done - if one thinks it through.

If you do need to buy on time, don't pay the minimum, pay as much as you possibly can. Don't go out Saturday. Sacrifice for something you really want or need. We can't have it all.
post #147 of 175
Originally posted by melgross
No, if you don't spend more than you can afford to pay back on a monthly basis it could be a benefit. Only those who allow their purchases to reach levels that they can't pay back fit that catagory.

We use our AmEx card for almost everything, but we have to pay in full every month. No interest charges. We also pay off our Visa and MasterCard every month.

It can be done - if one thinks it through.

If you do need to buy on time, don't pay the minimum, pay as much as you possibly can. Don't go out Saturday. Sacrifice for something you really want or need. We can't have it all.



ah.. the hard lessons i have learnt after getting into $6000 AUD worth of debt after buying a powermac g5 and a dodgy/troubled housemate not paying $1000 or so in rent and bond

1 year later, with some part time work and the help of my parents its all down to $1500 in debt now and i've cleared one of my credit cards ( i have since cut both credit cards up and just use online banking to check on them )
post #148 of 175
I know from first hand knowledge that MacMall has 250 of these units in stock.(as of this afternoon) It appears that all you have to do is ask. Do not go to the consumer side. Two of the three people I have spoken to really have very little knowledge of what they are selling. I would say that 99% of the people that visit this site know more than they do...and yes I am including the newbies and recent switchers. Go to business sales. They will work with you and tell you what you will receive. I don't like MacMall, but they got what you want...without paying tax. Demand free shipping. they'll give it to you...probably.

Dovetail
post #149 of 175
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Originally posted by sunilraman
i wonder if the apple store guys will get real suspicious when you go in and you're like... hey, i wanna like, get a mac mini... umm.... can i see the box first, just to, you know, see if ummm....

wait, you mean to tell me that if I go to the applw store today, i can get a 1.5Ghz Mac mini, if i check the number? or is it only from the online store?
post #150 of 175
well, all depends on whichever way you play the game... i have not verified this myself but according to hardmac.com, if you can know the serial number of the mac mini (its on a sticker on the side of the mac mini box as with most macs AFAIK), then you can "know" that you're getting an upgraded machine:

http://hardmac.com/news/2005-09-30/#4559
"Apple has sent to its certified Support Centers information related to the new Mac mini models.
To make it short, Apple explains that modifications are considered as minors and Apple will not communicate them to the public immediately.
Officially, the known Mac mini specifications are becoming the minimal specifications.
But we have good news, the reference numbers for Mac mini models have been changed, so if you want to play this game hereafter are the beginning of the serial numbers for each models :
YM531001TACG Best (M9971*/B)
YM531001TAAE Better (M9687*/B)
YM529022TA8M Good (M9686*/B)

In summary, till Apple has sold out its stocks, you will have a good surprise or a "bad" surprise when receiving your computer and checking out the serial number."
post #151 of 175
well, tuesday morning in NYC, tues afternoon in europe, and apple has made a big announcement !! NOT. i think steve runs a gambling business on the side related to mac announcements and stuff. he's taken the guessing game up a notch this year
post #152 of 175
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Originally posted by sunilraman
well, all depends on whichever way you play the game... i have not verified this myself but according to hardmac.com, if you can know the serial number of the mac mini (its on a sticker on the side of the mac mini box as with most macs AFAIK), then you can "know" that you're getting an upgraded machine:

http://hardmac.com/news/2005-09-30/#4559
"Apple has sent to its certified Support Centers information related to the new Mac mini models.
To make it short, Apple explains that modifications are considered as minors and Apple will not communicate them to the public immediately.
Officially, the known Mac mini specifications are becoming the minimal specifications.
But we have good news, the reference numbers for Mac mini models have been changed, so if you want to play this game hereafter are the beginning of the serial numbers for each models :
YM531001TACG Best (M9971*/B)
YM531001TAAE Better (M9687*/B)
YM529022TA8M Good (M9686*/B)

In summary, till Apple has sold out its stocks, you will have a good surprise or a "bad" surprise when receiving your computer and checking out the serial number."

This is incorrect. These serial numbers belong to the first bump in the mini's performance back when they upgraded the RAM to 512MB.

If you want to get the newest upgrade check my post here for the correct serial numbers.
post #153 of 175
rongold, apple is giving away the full version of iWork with every mac mini ???? WTF ?? i think you're mistaking it for "(30-day trial)" as on the tech specs page
post #154 of 175
You may be correct. I never actually use these programs so I have not yet checked.
Nevertheless; the information they posted is off by 2 months in manufacturing dates. You will not get the new Mac mini if you have packaging with serial numbers that predate the 37-36 week manufacturing period.
post #155 of 175
I walked into the Dallas, Know Street Apple Store last night to see if they had they had the newest of the new. The sales dork talked to me as if I were a gullable idiot. (I may be , but that isn't the point of this story)He told me that the "small" changes were due to, and only due to, part constraints. I rambled off three of the changes that I am aware of, the 32 to 64 mg vram, dual layer 8 x's DVD and somewhat major drive speed increase. He continued to tow the company line by insisting these were minor changes, not upgrades. I swear Apple brainwashes their employees worse than Wal-Mart.

Dovetail
post #156 of 175
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Originally posted by Dovetail
I walked into the Dallas, Know Street Apple Store last night to see if they had they had the newest of the new. The sales dork talked to me as if I were a gullable idiot. (I may be , but that isn't the point of this story)He told me that the "small" changes were due to, and only due to, part constraints. I rambled off three of the changes that I am aware of, the 32 to 64 mg vram, dual layer 8 x's DVD and somewhat major drive speed increase. He continued to tow the company line by insisting these were minor changes, not upgrades. I swear Apple brainwashes their employees worse than Wal-Mart.

Dovetail

Well in Britain all the Apple reps I've spoken to seem intelligent - I've had chats with them in the past and you can tell where the company line starts - but you can basically get them to agree with the unofficial stance. Maybe it's a stupid rep or he's just sticking to the company line like he's told.

Do you remember the iPod mini's that has 5GB hard drives - this was due to part restrictions but firmware blocked the better features - also the old PowerMacs had better optical drives which were blocked.

If Apple admit there are new computers people will stop buying the current ones - and let's be honest they must have a lot Mac Minis left -or it's a major change in strategy.
post #157 of 175
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Originally posted by Dovetail
I walked into the Dallas, Know Street Apple Store last night to see if they had they had the newest of the new. The sales dork talked to me as if I were a gullable idiot. (I may be , but that isn't the point of this story)He told me that the "small" changes were due to, and only due to, part constraints. I rambled off three of the changes that I am aware of, the 32 to 64 mg vram, dual layer 8 x's DVD and somewhat major drive speed increase. He continued to tow the company line by insisting these were minor changes, not upgrades. I swear Apple brainwashes their employees worse than Wal-Mart.

Dovetail

It's very strange. They simply didn't carry this off well. Why they didn't stick to their standard procedure of waiting until the supply chain was almost out of stock before releasing this is something that will be talked about for some time.
post #158 of 175
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Originally posted by melgross
It's very strange. They simply didn't carry this off well. Why they didn't stick to their standard procedure of waiting until the supply chain was almost out of stock before releasing this is something that will be talked about for some time.

maybe because the rumours are getting more mainstream because of Apple's popularity - if supply begins to run low people will stop buying?
post #159 of 175
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
maybe because the rumours are getting more mainstream because of Apple's popularity - if supply begins to run low people will stop buying?

That's always possible, but what is sometimes forgotten on these threads is that almost no one reads them. Despite the fact that there are thousand of people that go to the Apple rumor sites as well as other sites that discuss Apple products and such, like Arstechnica, the VAST majority of potential customers have NO idea about any of this.

They read the mass media and talk to their friends and colleagues, then make up their mind. They go in to buy a computer. All they know here is that it's that "cute" little Mac. They have no idea as to what's in it. No idea about the software except maybe for some vague rememberence of something someone told them, or that they might have read. They might know that it burns DVD's but they probably won't be doing that anyway, etc.

It's why most people I speak to have no idea that Apple is going to Intel.

As a matter of fact, most people aren't even aware that Apple isn't on Intel NOW.

Those are the typical consumer customers.
post #160 of 175
The MHz increase isnt great, its 0.08GHz, 80MHz, less than 6%. The hard drive and graphics are the bigger change.
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