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Long-awaited updates to Apple's PowerBook and Power Mac systems, once scheduled to make their debut last month in Paris, will finally surface later this October, reliable sources have told AppleInsider.

The new PowerBook G4 systems -- the last Apple laptop revision to run on PowerPC processors -- have been troubled by a series of small issues that have combined to delay their release by several weeks.

With Apple pushing to complete its transition to Intel chips ahead of schedule, the company this summer began dismantling its PowerPC engineering teams in favor of reallocating as many engineers towards its Intel projects as possible.

As a result of the engineering shifts, sources told AppleInsider that Apple's final round of PowerPC projects -- including the new PowerBooks -- have been met by a shortage of resources. The PowerBooks have also reportedly been plagued by bugs in the Intrepid 2 chipset that were causing systems to underperform when compared to their predecessors.

Although previous reports had indicated that the PowerBooks would see a slight speed bump to 1.7GHz via Freescale's MPC7448 G4 microprocessor, more recent information suggests that Apple may have scrapped these plans. Instead, sources say the PowerBooks may continue to utilize the MPC7447A running at 1.67GHz, which is the same processor used in the existing PowerBook line.

Much of the allure that will surround the new 15-inch and 17-inch PowerBooks will be due to component enhancements such as higher-density displays. Previously published Apple documentation hints that the 17-inch model will sport a native resolution near 1920 x 1200 pixels.

Internally, the new PowerBooks are said to sport DDR2 memory (and the Intrepid 2 chipset), larger hard disk drives, slightly improved battery life and dual-layer DVD burning SuperDrives. There's also a possibility, sources say, that dual-layer SuperDrives included with the systems will be Blu-ray drives. However, this is far from certain (and we wouldn't count on it).

Sources say Apple plans to unveil the new 15-inch and 17-inch PowerBook systems on October 19th through its website, though a number of factors could delay an announcement till the following week. Meanwhile, the fate of the 12-inch PowerBook continues to hang in the balance with sources predicting minor, if any, revisions to the offering.

Around the same time that the new PowerBooks make their debut -- and likely on the same day -- Apple is also expected unveil its most powerful Power Mac systems ever. Admittedly, the exact specifications of these systems are unknown at this time, though sources say the systems will be based on IBM's dual-core PowerPC 970MP G5 processors.

Each new PowerMac will boast two of the PowerPC 970MP processors for a total of four cores of processing power. Improved PCI-E-based graphics and dual-layer SuperDrives are also a lock, sources added.

Both the new PowerBooks and Power Macs are expected to gain software support from a build of the soon-to-be released Mac OS X 10.4.3 Update. The Mac OS X "Tiger" update is fast approaching gold master status, recently reaching build 8F40 and weighing in just shy of 100MB.

As an added teaser, sources have also recently hinted at a photography-related announcement that will coincide with the release of Apple's new PowerBooks and Power Macs, but as with the Power Macs, details remain scant.

Unless plans change drastically over the next several months, AppleInsider sources expect these new Pro machines to be the last PowerPC-based systems to ever emerge from Apple's Cupertino, Calif.-based design studios.

Apple last updated its PowerBook systems in February and its Power Macs in April.
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1920x1200 on a 17" widescreen display. Ow. I run 1600x1200 on a 20" display and everything's already nearly too small for me. I think we're looking at some serious eyestrain here. (No pun intended.)
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thank god.
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I think by "PCI-X" you mean PCI-Express. PCI-X graphics would be a *major* downgrade in bandwidth over the current AGP 8X graphics! And either PCI-X or AGP would be an inferior interface to the PCI-Express currently available on the "consumer" iMac.
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I want a 7448 running at least at 1.8 GHz, with a 200 MHz FSB and 1 MB L2 cache. And I want now. And I am not going to shut up until I get.
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I wonder how hot (and thus noisy) the Dual Core Powermacs will run compared to the fastest Powermacs now available...
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There is not a chance on this earth that the drive is a Blu-Ray drive. Hell you can barely find working mockup protoype Blu-Ray laptop drives working let alone muster the idea that Apple would actually attempt to ship a drive in the Powerbooks.

All dual-core PM lineup sounds like a pipedream. This is Apple we're talking about. They'll have a dual dual-core at the top but the bottom and mid units will be single 970MP systems. Count on it.
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Happy Halloween

So much for the people who shouted "apple they notmakin computrs no more they just for poids now they suk why not pwermacs on wensday"

"With Apple pushing to complete its transition to Intel chips ahead of schedule"

More talk like that, please

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I want my YonahBook for New Years please? \ OK, then, ASAP. [/B]

Maybe I am too risk-averse but I rather have a 1.8 GHz G4 running Photoshop natively than having to run it on a Yonah via Rosetta until the end of next year (when the Intel-native version will come out).
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I like that "ahead of schedule" part.

This makes me ponder: What is Steve going to do for MWSF???
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Not surprised about the dual core G5s in the PMs, but I thought that Freescale would be pushing for their dual core G4 for the PB - especially since they were to be shipping now.

The push on the Mactels is also good news - hopefully the first will be shown at MWSF in January.

Does any developer working with 10.4.3 have any feelings on how close it is to release?
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"Photography related announcement." Sounds like built-in iSight for Powerbooks

Why not throw in a remote and Front Row, they have to give us something
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Please PowerMac come next week.!!

I would love to see new displays as well with Isight built-in and maybe a larger than 30" cinema display. Hopefully prices on the display will drop too.
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Guys, built in iSight camera is a tacky "consumer" feature. Perfect in the iMac, but really, really tacky in a 30" professional LCD panel.
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well, you are entitled to your opinion.
I don't see any tacky thing myself. actually is very subtle IMHO.
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well theres the update i was waiting for.

of course they throw in your face "ahead of schedule"

do i really want to spend 2500 on a new PB?


someone tell me what to do! when will the new intels come out? when would the best time to buy them be?


ahhhhhhh
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Correction: PowerBook were last updated in January.
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well theres the update i was waiting for.

of course they throw in your face "ahead of schedule"

do i really want to spend 2500 on a new PB?

someone tell me what to do! when will the new intels come out? when would the best time to buy them be?

ahhhhhhh

i hate to go all yoda on you, but answer that, only you can. simply put, do you actually have any current OR imminent paying projects that a.) cannot be handled by your current set-up and b.) can recoup your investment quickly? if not, if you're ONLY trying to buy top of the line to stave off obsolesence, save your money and just buy a nice high-end ibook or the cheapest powerbook on a clearance sale AFTER the new ones are announced, because ALL computers go obsolete way too quickly.

hell, ipods are almost computers and go obsolete on a weekly basis.
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Originally posted by Kolchak
1920x1200 on a 17" widescreen display. Ow. I run 1600x1200 on a 20" display and everything's already nearly too small for me. I think we're looking at some serious eyestrain here. (No pun intended.)

1600x1200 is a baseline resolution on 20" displays, with 100 DPI (which is roughly the standard DPI among Apple displays). If that's too small, you may need new eye glasses.

Although 1920x1200 on 17" may yield small fonts (133 DPI), for some people, such resolution is a must for the type of work they do.
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Hopefully the HD screen is a BTO option.

Not because I don't want one ('cause I do) ... but I don't want to hear the whining from all the people with poor eyesight.

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Unless plans change drastically over the next several months, AppleInsider sources expect these new Pro machines to be the last PowerPC-based systems to ever emerge from Apple's Cupertino, Calif.-based design studios.

The last PowerPC-based machines? What happened to transitioning to Intel through 2007? They're going to ride these same PowerPC machines out all the way through 2007, or all of Apple's Macs will be Intel-based by the end of 2006?
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The last PowerPC-based machines? What happened to transitioning to Intel through 2007? They're going to ride these same PowerPC machines out all the way through 2007, or all of Apple's Macs will be Intel-based by the end of 2006?

Probably the latter, since Apple is rumored to be pushing hard to get the Intel switch done quickly.

I still think that we're going to end up with some unhappy creative professionals if Photoshop et al isn't running on Intel by the time the Powermacs come out.
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re: screen resolutions, remember this is probably why we heard apple doing some sort of "resolution indespendent interface" (or whatever it was) for an upcoming mac os x major update. with screen densitities getting tighter and tighter, the interface MUST be infinitely scalable in every respect, not just fonts and such... every widget, icon and doodad, too.

i mean, hell, if we get to effective 300 dpi screen resolution someday, that'll be laser printer quality from the mid-90's ON YOUR SCREEN. that reality can't be that far away.
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I like that "ahead of schedule" part.

This makes me ponder: What is Steve going to do for MWSF???

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Isn't this an audiobook tie-in with the Madonna iPod?

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The last PowerPC-based machines? What happened to transitioning to Intel through 2007? They're going to ride these same PowerPC machines out all the way through 2007, or all of Apple's Macs will be Intel-based by the end of 2006?

There are those who anticipate IBM making the Power 5 cpu available for Apple, in the next year, or late in the year, that this is part of the plan.

Regardless, I for one am likely to get me a new PowerMac with the 970MP, PCI Express, and DDR2 RAM.

So has anything been heard about the recent NVidia graphics cards coming to the Mac?
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Not surprised about the dual core G5s in the PMs, but I thought that Freescale would be pushing for their dual core G4 for the PB - especially since they were to be shipping now.

No. Those aren't due till mid 2006 at the earliest. ie. after we're expecting the first Intel machines to be out.

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The push on the Mactels is also good news - hopefully the first will be shown at MWSF in January.

I think that's just wishful thinking on Apple's part. When they get the chips is up to Intel and they're saying second half of 06 for anything interesting. Yonah for laptops aside in January.

If they do release something in January though at least that's about a year of sorting out bugs before the real deal arrives end of 2006 with Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest based kit, OSX 10.5? and by then some native software worth running on it that will run at speeds approaching G5 PowerMac speeds or better.

If the PowerMacs come in with dual 970MPs and PCI-E next week then that's one beast of a machine.

IMHO, the camera thing is going to be a revised iSight with Front Row compatibility and possibly the Powerbook will have built in cameras.
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There are those who anticipate IBM making the Power 5 cpu available for Apple, in the next year, or late in the year, that this is part of the plan.

I wouldn't have thought so. The future's Intel, not some multi-platform arrangement no matter how nice that idea appeals to existing PPC customers or those that just think the PowerPC is simply better. The language used was clear.

edit: But hey, Jobs said Video on the iPod was a daft idea too once. ;-)
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Isn't this an audiobook tie-in with the Madonna iPod?

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There is not a chance on this earth that the drive is a Blu-Ray drive. Hell you can barely find working mockup protoype Blu-Ray laptop drives working let alone muster the idea that Apple would actually attempt to ship a drive in the Powerbooks.

The do have working prototypes of the slot-loading Blu-Ray drive ready for production but it seems unlikely to be included here. It's much more likely to be offered on the Intel PowerBooks next spring. Of course as usual Apple will use a dumbed down version that doesn't support all the media that the drive can support. I suspect only the 17" model will have an HD display and only then as a BTO option. Not much of an update but I'll take what I can get.

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I wouldn't have thought so. The future's Intel, not some multi-platform arrangement no matter how nice that idea appeals to existing PPC customers or those that just think the PowerPC is simply better. The language used was clear.

edit: But hey, Jobs said Video on the iPod was a daft idea too once. ;-)

Well, it surely would be a remarkable development and a bit of a switch from what all the expectation has been, on Apple going intel as soon as possible. I was surprised to read it, and I wish that I could remember which site I was reading it on, but it was not one of the speculative Mac sites, but something like info world.

It also goes contra to the report about Apple repositioning its engineers toward the intel switch, from PPC.
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Intrepid 2 doesn't make sense. Why develop a new chipset that will only be used for 6 months?

Low-end Power Macs may use two 970FX chips instead of one 970MP for cost reasons.
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Is it me or are the pictures of the PowerBooks and iBooks on the Apple Store slightly fuzzier than they were before, like they have been resized ? They look less crisp than the other product images on the page.
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Is it me or are the pictures of the PowerBooks and iBooks on the Apple Store slightly fuzzier than they were before, like they have been resized ? They look less crisp than the other product images on the page.

Apple's new marketing strategy - the product information on the web site slowly fades away into obscurity as the update draws closer.

Think of it like QT transition effects for product announcements.
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post #36 of 191
I just checked my computer source and their powermacs and powerbooks are all now discounted.
Everytime this happens, new ones are on the way. Sometimes, this takes a few weeks...

I wonder if the new powermacs have the dualcore processors, if they will be referred to as G6's?
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Intrepid 2 doesn't make sense. Why develop a new chipset that will only be used for 6 months?

I'd guess they started designing it way before they knew of the transition. Furthermore it's going to be in use for more than a year I'd guess. I can't see the PowerMacs being replaced in less than a year and I'd also guess that Apple may have to keep some production around like they had to keep OS9 G4s around for Quark holdouts. If the software isn't there yet native on Intel then they'd be effectively killing their market.

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Low-end Power Macs may use two 970FX chips instead of one 970MP for cost reasons.

I doubt that's cost effective. I'd bet one 970MP is cheaper than two FXs.
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Intrepid 2 is a PowerBook/iBook chipset. Most people are predicting that the 'Books will go Intel soon and never look back.
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ok.. so.. the question for me: WHEN WILL WE SEE INTEL IN POWERMACS?

i'm thinking about upgrading, but not sure if i should stick it out for the intel macs. i currently run a dual 2gig G5 rev A. i mainly work in final cut and everything runs speedy.

i'm really hesitant to buy another G5 (although a dual core tower would rip some ass), but not sure if i should just stick it out for intel. thoughts?
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Intrepid 2 is a PowerBook/iBook chipset. Most people are predicting that the 'Books will go Intel soon and never look back.

Sorry, yes, I'm getting my chipsets confused. Intrepid was also used in the iMac G4, eMac and Mini.

So what are they using in the new iMac to get DDR2 and PCI-E ? That's new too and probably of not much longer lifespan.
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