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post #42 of 113
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Originally posted by ChevalierMalFet
Apple's just being a media whore. The iPod announcement rated serious TV news coverage, so they are riding off that.

Well, don't forget that the Christmas season is just around the corner, so debuting things now makes sense.
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post #43 of 113
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Well, don't forget that the Christmas season is just around the corner, so debuting things now makes sense.

Unlike previous years when Apple waits until two weeks after Christmas. Somehow, I don't expect much in the way of hardware announcements at MWSF, if updated Power Macs and PowerBooks come out next week.
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Mac minis w/FrontRow & a new HDMI 40"+ HD plasma will be announced,,,)

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Nah they won't use plasma displays.

There are new technologies using a combination of OLED backlighting and LCD pixels which is moving way beyond plasma.

I'm sure they will switch to HDMI when it becomes 29 pin and not the current 19 pin.
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Unlike previous years when Apple waits until two weeks after Christmas. Somehow, I don't expect much in the way of hardware announcements at MWSF, if updated Power Macs and PowerBooks come out next week.

I think that's a good approach. I mean, who has money after the holidays anyways? (apart from mac fanatics who hoard their money for MWSF)
post #46 of 113
People have started to expect PowerMacs at WWDC every year now. With that in mind. Apple does need to get a more frequent update cycle for their Pro desktops. If they were to announce a PowerMac that would be a half decent cycle if there were another at WWDC next year which should be like late May, or early June. That's right around 6 months. And it actually also springs in right before XMAS on this end which is a good thing for Apple to update almost everything before XMAS for the buying season. They did say pro.
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post #47 of 113
Apple may as well condition people now to expect shorty cycle revisions. They simply won't get away with 9 month cycles once they move to Intel chips.

This will be beneficial to Apple because they won't have a bunch of pent up demand causing people to sit on their hands. We'll all get used to smaller increments with the occaisonal new feature hype.

I'm looking forward to getting away from these mega announcements. I look forward to seeing less bytchin and moaning about buying a Mac at the wrong time.

Bring on the 6 month cycle!
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post #48 of 113
I think Apple is "between a rock and a hard place" here...

Since apple is watched so closely by analysts today they are concerned about keeping their sales at a higher pitch than before, and so to combat the drop in sales before the Intel announcements I think the Apple MUST put a GREAT PPC product on the table to stop sale attrition.

So my prediction is that the PPC will start with the dual 2.5 or dualcore 2.5, and then progress to a medium with 2 - 2.2 dualcore and then 2 - 2.5 dualcore or something very similar.

There may be a 2.3 dual proc. for the first couple months to finish clearing stock
but not sure.

Definite PCI-e and DDR2 which is going to rock the systems with PC cross platform GPU at great prices, much lower than MAC specific cards of course.
And great GPU products coming standard on all but the low-end PM.

Maybe X700 128MB standard and X1800 CTO.

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post #49 of 113
No. Sorry you guys have all missed it. I happened to be messing with my iChat. You know screwing around and such, and happened to catch Steve practicing his presentation. It was kind of at the end...

"The iPod Shuffle is our best selling iPod product under $100.00. So that means it time to change it. Introducing the iPod Pico! It's 32% smaller than the original iPod Shuffle, and we've added a 1/4" - 266,000 color screen. AND it will be available in black. The 256MB version will be $99.99 and the 512 MB version will be $129.99. Both are available TODAY!"
post #50 of 113
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Not Photoshop. Think Pro version of iPhoto.

Of course, I recall that Adobe was annoyed with Apple for brining out iPhoto in the first place as they viewed it as competition with some of their consumer-level products. IIRC, the photo management capabilities of Photoshop Elements was the issue.
post #51 of 113
Has anybody seen this invitation? I would like to see the invitation.
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post #52 of 113
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Of course, I recall that Adobe was annoyed with Apple for brining out iPhoto in the first place as they viewed it as competition with some of their consumer-level products. IIRC, the photo management capabilities of Photoshop Elements was the issue.

but steve jobs was annoyed first when adobe did not wanted to do consumer level software like iPhoto and iMovie. Steve said "beat it" and start develop them and buying companies to fill that gap in the software area, then, when adobe saw the success of iPhoto and iMovie, they [adobe] released their "elements" programs.

besides new hardware, apple could release new software, maybe a pro photo editing software & media management platform.

also, where is Apple Remote Desktop 3? maybe it will be released on the Oct 19 event.
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post #55 of 113
If they do release the new image software, that might straighten adobe up and get them to crank out the CS suite faster... (est. late 06) I'm sure that Motion could be enhanced to take on After Effects.... it would be sweet if Apple introduced an After Effects killer!
post #56 of 113
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Hopefully the photography releated element is a built-in iSight into new Powerbooks.


This is another misguided MAC User, iSight is not photography related
it is VIDEO related. If they are making an announcement before the ProFoto show in New York, then it will be something substantial, and it will be hardware I think. Has Apple ever had a special announcement away from MWSF that was software? NO.

You guys who think they are taking on Adobe Photoshop.... WOW, get
clued in. Adobe is one of the best friends of APPLE in the sense that their
software drives users to the MAC hardware.

This will be interesting. There is possibilities for a lot of hardware that would assist photographers, one of Apple's main customer base groups.

All the iApps, all the iPods, are about driving users to MAC platform
and hardware puchases. have you all forgotten the switcher campaign?
post #57 of 113
I think Powermacs will be much smaller. ; )
post #58 of 113
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Originally posted by Mac4me
This is another misguided MAC User...

Maybe they're misguided but you should take a look at the difference between MAC and Mac.
post #59 of 113
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Originally posted by axdigital
I think Powermacs will be much smaller. ; )

I sure hope so. I don't have room for a boat anchor in my place.
post #60 of 113
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Maybe they're misguided but you should take a look at the difference between MAC and Mac.

MAC=cosmetics
Mac=shortened name for Macintosh, which is an old computer made by Apple
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post #61 of 113
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How will Apple try to piss off Adobe next?

They pummeled Premiere with Final Cut Pro, and built Motion to go up against After Effects (though I find the two compliment eachother very well, but if Motion ever gets true 3D environment capabilities, I'll be launching After Effects much less often). Will they release an alternative to Illustrator, Photoshop, or InDesign? "Pages Pro"? Content creation, or simply content manipulation? Or just some sort of photo management software?

I guess the question would be, what does the photo/print world need? A Pro iPhoto? A Photoshop alternative? A camera? A printer? Often times with Apple products, you didn't know you needed it until they demo something you never thought of.

Apple didn´t piss of Adobe, they asked to collaborate with Adobe in certain Applications, like iPhoto and iMovie, but Adobe says, no, we have other plans... Steve Jobs told that story in the past, I don´t remember where I read it. So then Apple go and bought Final Cut Pro
post #62 of 113
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Originally posted by alberto
Apple didn´t piss of Adobe, they asked to collaborate with Adobe in certain Applications, like iPhoto and iMovie, but Adobe says, no, we have other plans... Steve Jobs told that story in the past, I don´t remember where I read it. So then Apple go and bought Final Cut Pro

I remember reading that. It wasn't actually Final Cut Pro that came from that but rather iLife. Apple went to Adobe and said "could you make a small consumer oriented video editing and dvd burning app" Adobe said no and Apple went and pieced together a iLife.

It's obvious that Adobe and Apple's relationship is fine because Adobe could have hit the road when the latest Mac transition of the month was announced.

Regarding Apple Photo Pro. If this app ever sees the light of day I doubt that it pisses Adobe off. Apple Photo Pro sounds to me like iPhoto on steroids. It will probably me much less about editing photos and much more about managing them.

I know a few Photographers and they are fine with their Photoshop workflows but PS is a editing app first and foremost and they needs something that bridges the gap between management and editing. Apple could insert themselves here as a PS helper app.
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post #63 of 113
I think along with hardware upgrades, the only thing Apple will announce in regard to Adobe, would be a partnership of something that Adobe can show off at their booth the next day. Does Apple have a booth at PhotoWhatever?

I don't see that there is any upside to competing more with Adobe in the photo market.
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post #64 of 113
Digital Photography Workflow

Neither Apple nor Adobe have an app that really organizes a photo shoot from packing to final download and editing. If Apple hopes to create a seperate product for photographers they need a program that can facilitate a nice shoot from start to finish.

Anytime you mention graphics some bleats about Adobe. Adobe is NOT graphics they are simply a graphics vendor.
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post #65 of 113
Ironically Apple's app will more likely directly compete with Capture One; a small company with a one man Mac development team, but none the less they have had the mindshare s "the professional worklfow" folks. Up until recently the RAW conversion software was generally regarded as superior to Adobe's ACR as well.

Adobe's made some inroads into workflow with Bridge, but they are still not a top down solution, and while Bridge is a lovely idea, in all aspects beyond integration with Adobe apps it's been a huge disappointment.
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mad props to kresh and mac mini OC'ers. all that jumper soldering and stuff. shure takes more skill than a "overclock by 10% please" BIOS option

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post #67 of 113
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Originally posted by MacRonin
I am sure that Apple fully intends to take on Photoshop...

Just on their schedule...

Much like they are doing with Motion (very powerful app for 300 bucks, not quite an AE killer, but working towards it; for what it does, it does it VERY well), they will also do with this new Pro photo app...

Not quite a Photoshop killer, but for what it does...

It's all about long-term erosion of the competitor's marketshare/user base...

Ten years from now, folks may just be using Apple boxes with very well designed Apple software and be saying "Yeah, I remember Adobe..."

The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." For all Adobe's faults, (Illustrator *cough, cough*) Photoshop is a stable, well designed, deep, powerful program that has no equal, in terms of abilities or quality. It just so happens that 90% of the talent at Adobe is in the Photoshop department.

Speaking as someone who makes his living primarily with Photoshop on a Mac, I'd be horrified if Apple were to release a photo-editing app that caused Adobe to drop Mac support. I've got ten years invested in learning the intricacies and nuances of Photoshop and I'll be plenty pissed if Apple flushes that down the drain for me in a power-grab with a new program that most likely won't be really for professional use for at least two or three years after Adobe pulls out.

Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.

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Originally posted by chris v
The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." ..... Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.


i agree with you but imagine for a second though that apple came out with a "photoshop-killer" that did something like full node-based non-destructive gpu-accelerated (hence near-realtime) masking, effects, crops, scales, typography, etc, while still maintaining the workflow conventions of photoshop.... although in any case very unlikely that this will be announced 1. this weekend 2. pre-intel-transition
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The LAST thing the professional Mac-using world needs right now is a "Photoshop Killer." For all Adobe's faults, (Illustrator *cough, cough*) Photoshop is a stable, well designed, deep, powerful program that has no equal, in terms of abilities or quality. It just so happens that 90% of the talent at Adobe is in the Photoshop department.

Speaking as someone who makes his living primarily with Photoshop on a Mac, I'd be horrified if Apple were to release a photo-editing app that caused Adobe to drop Mac support. I've got ten years invested in learning the intricacies and nuances of Photoshop and I'll be plenty pissed if Apple flushes that down the drain for me in a power-grab with a new program that most likely won't be really for professional use for at least two or three years after Adobe pulls out.

Who here is ready to abandon Photoshop right now for version 1.X of Apple Pro whatever? I'd seriously have to consider Windows, as much as it galls me to say so.

I would think the part of my post that mentioned 'ten years from now' would indicate that I didn't think Apple was going to announce (and market as such) a 'Photoshop killer' app...

And if Adobe would just start using CI calls, then Apple wouldn't have to 'kill' them in the future...
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post #70 of 113
What, didn't everyone drop Word and start using Pages?
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well i know i did seriously. pages is simpler, more elegant, and more fun for just typing up "we will be closed on monday" type notices and simple letters.
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Originally posted by MacRonin
.....And if Adobe would just start using CI calls, then Apple wouldn't have to 'kill' them in the future...


heh. steve made an offer bruce@adobe couldn't refuse...
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Originally posted by ChevalierMalFet
Another issue I was thinking of. With 37inch 1900x1200 LCDs on the market for around $2,000, Apple's 30inch LCD is looking a bit pricey.

Size matters not - resolution does. A 37" 1900x1200 LCD is in no way shape or form a competition to a 30" ACD, unless you use it to watch TV or maybe play games.
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They will probably introduce new displays, as the 20-inch iMac has better specs than 20-inch cinema display when it comes to brightness and contrast ratio.

So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?
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...So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?

That would be good, would be an opportunity to have new enclosures and follow the look through the displays and Powerbooks. Has to be better this way than when the G5 was intro'd and the silver/plastic displays carried on for ages afterwards.
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They will probably introduce new displays, as the 20-inch iMac has better specs than 20-inch cinema display when it comes to brightness and contrast ratio.

So new PM, PB and display; and maybe some new software. Is it to much to introduce at once?

I am afraid so. Good catch though on the display specs. I had not noticed that the new iMac has so much an improved display. In paper at least.
post #78 of 113
With the new thin iSight, they'll introduce another iPod on the 19th. This time it will do more than just store photos and video... it'll capture them as well. After all, Apple is an iPod company now, more than a computer company.

There's your pro photography tie in - an iPod with photoBooth. The screen will act as the flash.
post #79 of 113
They won't put an iSight in the laptops unless they can figure out how to make an iSight 1/4" deep.
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post #80 of 113
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Originally posted by sunilraman
mad props to kresh and mac mini OC'ers. all that jumper soldering and stuff. shure takes more skill than a "overclock by 10% please" BIOS option

(edit: posted on an amd64 venice 3000+ OC'ed 1.8ghz to 2.34ghz )

Wasn't too bad, my mini is an original 1.25, so all I had to do is remove all but one jumper, I didn't have to bridge a connection. Although even with a magnifying glass the jumpers are tiny, tiny, tiny
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