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post #1 of 36
2/14/02 at 8:25pm
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I installed Yellow Dog Linux on my iBook dual-USB 500 w/combo tonight, as well as 9.2.1 and X.1.2. To summarize my experience with Yellow Dog on this iBook: Linux is now my main OS on this machine. :cool: This is so kewl!! Everything missing from OS X is here, plus you can still run Mac programs!! And I can forget about all those nasty dmg thingies in OS X that I hated so much, because now I have a native Linux distribution to run stuff on!! And the sound is AMAZING. I can play songs at probably like 2x the volume that OS X plays them on the iBook speakers. And it sounds EXCELLENT, seemingly better than OS X plays audio.

I am VERY impressed with Yellow Dog Linux. Plus, being based on RedHat, it is very familiar to me (I have a PC with RedHat at home).

Anyone with a Mac out there - install Linux. You'll never regret it!
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post #2 of 36
2/14/02 at 9:00pm
Ummm, this is the Mac OS X forum, not the software forum. If you're going to be annoying, at least be annoying in the right place
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post #3 of 36
2/14/02 at 9:48pm
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That's good to know. I just bought YBL and a new HD.
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post #4 of 36
2/14/02 at 11:09pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>That's good to know. I just bought YBL and a new HD.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bought?!
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post #5 of 36
2/14/02 at 11:10pm
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[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>Ummm, this is the Mac OS X forum, not the software forum. If you're going to be annoying, at least be annoying in the right place </strong><hr></blockquote>

Annoying? A-ha, no.

Mac OS X - this is related to OS X.
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post #6 of 36
2/15/02 at 6:52am
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Yea bought. I just wanted the CDs. Don't have a burner either.
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post #7 of 36
2/15/02 at 9:26am
You should give the ximian stuff a try (www.ximian.com). If you let it update your gnome to their version, it also installs the latest mozilla and evolution, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Evolution is really quite nice for mail, it works like outlook ... but is free and open source .
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post #8 of 36
2/15/02 at 12:20pm
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[quote]Originally posted by kHack:
<strong>plus you can still run Mac programs!!</strong><hr></blockquote>After you reboot, though. Correct? Or is there a MINE app like WINE?

[quote]<strong>And I can forget about all those nasty dmg thingies in OS X that I hated so much</strong><hr></blockquote>That's a stupid rant if I've ever heard one. While were at it, to hell with Stuffit files!! Down with GZIP!! Tar compression sux0r5!!

[ 02-15-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
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post #9 of 36
2/15/02 at 12:42pm
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[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>That's a stupid rant if I've ever heard one. While were at it, to hell with Stuffit files!! Down with GZIP!! Tar compression sux0r5!!

[ 02-15-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


No no - gzip and tar is very nice, and stuffit handles both very well. Disk images (.dmg files) are nasty, since they mount an additional volume. Plus, you have to then copy the stuff to your HD if you want to use it often. More inconvenience, but hey - that's what Apple is good at!
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post #10 of 36
2/15/02 at 2:02pm
This is definitely the first time I've heard somebody complain about DMGs. So it mounts an additional volume, temporarily, until you copy the files to the location you want them on your hard drive.... what's wrong with that?
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post #11 of 36
2/15/02 at 2:10pm
I find it hilarious that someone with "Mac OS X is the future" as a sig. is ranting about how YellowDog Linux is better than OS X and how Apple is the master of inconvenience... Hmmmm ironic?

How bout you just go buy a YellowDog box and go find yourself a YDL forum to rave in... We here feel like we need to talk about APPLE products.

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post #12 of 36
2/15/02 at 2:25pm
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Yea man. Your kinds not wanted round these parts. Get lost.
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post #13 of 36
2/15/02 at 5:44pm
[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
<strong>This is definitely the first time I've heard somebody complain about DMGs. So it mounts an additional volume, temporarily, until you copy the files to the location you want them on your hard drive.... what's wrong with that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's slow and redundant for most software distribution. The only justifiable use is for when you'd be distributing an ISO type image where the user is going to burn it.

For me, the ideal distribution model would be where the archive opened up as a folder. Roll it into the Finder code (like how you could open up the System file on older Mac OS) so no external programs are needed, or have a plug-in type of an architecture so developers could support a variety of formats.
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post #14 of 36
2/15/02 at 9:23pm
[quote]Originally posted by kHack:
<strong>

Annoying? A-ha, no.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're telling me what I find annoying? That's a good one.
[quote]<strong>
Mac OS X - this is related to OS X.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How exactly is this related to OS X? You said this to start the thread:

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To summarize my experience with Yellow Dog on this iBook: Linux is now my main OS on this machine. </strong><hr></blockquote>

What have you said about OS X? This is about Linux and that's fine but don't go saying it's about OS X. And maybe it's time you got a new sig.
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post #15 of 36
2/15/02 at 9:53pm
I'm going to move this to the Software forum and hope that it improves.
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post #16 of 36
2/15/02 at 11:23pm
I tried YDL 2.1 on my 6400 and hated it. It took forever to boot, forever to load KDE and was disgustingly slow. The only thing I liked were all the games that came with it. I played jezzball a lot. Otherwise it didn't do a single thing that I wanted it to do. I put on 9.1 and was much happier.
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post #17 of 36
2/15/02 at 11:36pm
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Gee... thanks for not answering my question. I'll re-post.
[quote]Originally posted by kHack:
<strong>plus you can still run Mac programs!!</strong><hr></blockquote>After you reboot, though. Correct? Or is there a MINE app like WINE?
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post #18 of 36
2/16/02 at 7:14am
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>Gee... thanks for not answering my question. I'll re-post.
After you reboot, though. Correct? Or is there a MINE app like WINE?</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's MOL (MacOnLinux).
I'm not sure, but I'd guess it comes with YDL too. Only runs Classic apps, though, and I'm not even sure it actually runs all of them.

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post #19 of 36
2/16/02 at 5:07pm
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My understanding is that it runs the Mac OS from withing linux. I'll tell you how well it works in a week or so.
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post #20 of 36
2/16/02 at 8:04pm
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[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
<strong>This is definitely the first time I've heard somebody complain about DMGs. So it mounts an additional volume, temporarily, until you copy the files to the location you want them on your hard drive.... what's wrong with that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Copying is an extra step. With tarball archives, they are decompressed automatically (stuffit expander) right onto the HD.
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post #21 of 36
2/16/02 at 8:07pm
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[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
<strong>This is definitely the first time I've heard somebody complain about DMGs. So it mounts an additional volume, temporarily, until you copy the files to the location you want them on your hard drive.... what's wrong with that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Copying is an extra step. With tarball archives, they are decompressed automatically (stuffit expander) right onto the HD.

Also, in reply to this: "How bout you just go buy a YellowDog box and go find yourself a YDL forum to rave in... We here feel like we need to talk about APPLE products."

Yellow Dog Linux runs on an "APPLE" product, so therefore I am talking about an "APPLE" product.
And I never said OS X is bad - it is far superior to OS 9 and Winblows. It could just use some polishing, especially to the speed.
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post #22 of 36
2/16/02 at 8:09pm
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Actually, could an administrator please delete this thread, since some un-named people here can't handle it?

Thanks!
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post #23 of 36
2/16/02 at 8:24pm
Why don't you just stop posting to this thread? If you just stop bumping your threads, they will eventually fall off the first page.
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post #24 of 36
2/16/02 at 9:03pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Brian J.:
<strong>Why don't you just stop posting to this thread? If you just stop bumping your threads, they will eventually fall off the first page.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, you are wrong. People will keep posting, further animadverting Linux, and therefore the thread will continue to stay at the top of the board.
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post #25 of 36
2/16/02 at 9:13pm
[quote]Originally posted by kHack:
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Actually, you are wrong. People will keep posting, further animadverting Linux, and therefore the thread will continue to stay at the top of the board.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. People here like UNIX, and there have been many positive threads about UNIX here. The search page is your friend... What they don't like are your annoying posts. If you stop posting them, then they'll stop responding.
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post #26 of 36
2/16/02 at 9:25pm
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[quote]Originally posted by kHack:
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Actually, you are wrong. People will keep posting, further animadverting Linux, and therefore the thread will continue to stay at the top of the board.</strong><hr></blockquote>

animadverting?

You are the one who keeps bumping, sir.

Stop gasping for attention.
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post #27 of 36
2/16/02 at 9:29pm
Actually, this thread had potential until everyone got their undies in a twist. So he likes YDL better than OS X, and he posted it in the wrong forum. Lets string him up!!!

He just wanted to let us know what he thought, but refused to back down that he was in the wrong forum and now he wants out but cannot find the eject button... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Good thread, poorly executed.
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post #28 of 36
2/17/02 at 5:42pm
What's people's beef with YDL? It's a solid client/server operating system. It is loads faster than OS X.

MoL will allow you to run classic Mac applications from within linux, but it's emulated. Expect 90% to real time speed at best.
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post #29 of 36
2/17/02 at 7:12pm
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I'm sure it't "emulated". Just running within Linux.
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post #30 of 36
2/17/02 at 9:19pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Majuki:
<strong>What's people's beef with YDL? It's a solid client/server operating system. It is loads faster than OS X.

MoL will allow you to run classic Mac applications from within linux, but it's emulated. Expect 90% to real time speed at best.</strong><hr></blockquote>

About MoL - I tried it once and it was kinda kewl, but I haven't used it since I installed Yellow Dog on my iBook. I have found that there are Linux versions of most of the Mac stuff. In fact, quite a few Mac programs are ports of Linux programs.
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post #31 of 36
2/17/02 at 9:24pm
This is so great! Competitive postings between Linux and OSX. Who would have thought a few years ago...even when we knew X would have BSD? Jobs did it right!

Now I hope the UNIX crowd can teach us how to really even think more different!
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post #32 of 36
2/17/02 at 10:11pm
Wow, this is like arguing whether Slackware is better than redhat.

Any how, Id just like to say that I find this great. Im planning on installing it on my old mac and trying to set it up as a server/firewall.

Oh, and how 'bout we stop bickering and start debating? Man, the tempers are high on this forum. Its like this is where peaceful people go to releive their frustrations.
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post #33 of 36
2/17/02 at 10:25pm
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:cool: I wanted to see if I could get my iMac to dail in and then share the connection with the iBook.

I'm so ****ing sick of 9. I can't wait for something that wont crash when some Java goes south on me.
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post #34 of 36
2/17/02 at 10:48pm
Hey Scott, Mol isn't an emulator.. it is running PPC code on PPC processors. You can't run Mol on x86 for the same reason you can't run WiNE on a Mac.... They aren't emulators. Mol is more like a hardware abstractor for Mac OS 9.

Oh, and Redhat is better than slackware!

And yes, BSD certainly rocks too. I tried to get OpenBSD running on my Wallstreet today, to no avail (my hardware isn't supported). It turns out the guy who started OpenBSD lives here in Calgary in the SE, like 3 blocks from me! Weird.

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No, the bazaar cannot satisfy users. Neither can the cathedral. Nothing can satisfy users, because software is written to enable rather than satisfy, and because most users are mewling malcontents...

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post #35 of 36
2/17/02 at 11:01pm
[quote]Also, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and make sure you are getting true hardware accel.

Identifier "Card0"
Option "UseFBDev"
Option "Backingstore" #speeds things up by remembering occluded data
Driver "r128" #Not fbdev!!! use "ati" for rage pro 64 bit hardware
VendorName "ATI"
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Hey FreshApple, was this necessary, or did your XF86Config-4 automatically detect your rage128?

I ask because on my Wallstreet it defaulted to fbdev, which is hella slow (but 'safer') comparatively.

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post #36 of 36
2/18/02 at 9:36am
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[quote]Originally posted by stimuli:
<strong>Hey Scott, Mol isn't an emulator.. it is running PPC code on PPC processors. You can't run Mol on x86 for the same reason you can't run WiNE on a Mac.... They aren't emulators. Mol is more like a hardware abstractor for Mac OS 9.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't say it was. I misstyped above. I was trying to say just that.
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