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The momentum generated by Apple's iPod digital music players and related products continues to translate into new Macintosh sales according to one Wall Street analyst who estimates that over one million Windows users have purchased a Mac in the first three quarters of 2005.

In a research note released to clients on Monday, Needham & Co. analyst Charles Wolf said the number of Windows users purchasing a Mac appears to be far higher than the firm had previously anticipated.

"If we assume that all of the growth in Mac shipments during the past three quarters resulted from Windows users purchasing a Mac, then purchases by Windows users exceeded one million," the analyst said. "Indeed, the number of Windows users purchasing Macs in 2005 could easily exceed our forecast of 1.3 million switchers in 2006."

Needham had previously estimated that 500,000 Windows users would purchase a Mac in 2005, but says its model underestimated the number of Windows users the Mac could capture because it was limited to Windows users who had purchased an iPod.

According to checks with Apple Store Specialists, Wolf also said a larger than expected percentage of Windows to Mac converts appear to be purchasing Apple's higher-end systems and that their transition is fueled by the epidemic of viruses and malware on the Windows platform.

Meanwhile, the analyst believes Apple's redefinition of the music player market with the iPod shuffle, iPod nano and video iPod continues to distance the company from its competition.

"A year ago, there was a constant stream of 'iPod killer' stories. With the introductions of the nano and video iPod, Apple has left its competitors in the dust," Wolf wrote. "Sony is the only major name-brand competitor that appears to have a future in this market, although its product portfolio is now a generation behind the iPod nano and video iPod."

While Needham had previously forecast the that hard drive-based music players would take over the market due to their larger capacities and reduced costs, the firm says Apple's simultaneous introduction of the iPod nano and discontinuation of the iPod mini "changed all of that." Needham is now forecasting that high capacity flash players will represent the largest media category, outpacing hard disk players by a more than 2-to-1 ratio over the next several years.

However, sometime around 2007 the firm expects 1-inch hard drive players -- like the iPod mini -- to make a comeback as their capacities reach 20-gigabytes. At this time, the iPodÂs share of the 1-inch hard drive segment should rebound, Wolf said. In the meantime, he believes 1.8-inch hard drive players will continue to play an important role because their high capacities are uniquely suited for video content.

Despite the Needham's positive comments on Apple, the firm on Monday downgraded shares of the company's stock to "Hold," saying it believes Apple shares are now "fully valued."

"WeÂre downgrading Apple from a buy to a hold because the companyÂs share price has reached our revised price target of $61," Wolf said.Â*"During the past year, in response to the introduction of breakthrough new iPods and Macs and outstanding financial results, weÂve doubled our price target."

Still, the analyst hedges his bets, explaining Apple's "frenetic pace of innovation" could present new opportunities, which could trigger an upgrade at a price thatÂs much higher than it is today.

"New products and innovative strategies from Apple should keep coming. However, we canÂt quantify them in our valuation model since we donÂt know what they are," Wolf said. "The risks in our downgrade stem from what we donÂt know as well as the possibility that Windows users are migrating to the Mac platform at a far higher rate than weÂve modeled."

Needham & Co. reiterated its 2006 earnings per share estimate at $1.75.
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I'm a Windows convert. A year ago I dreamt of finding the right motherboard and videocard combination to put in my LianLi case. There was no need for me to switch since I could do everyhting I needed on my PC. I had to switch to Mac at work though 9 months ago. Even though I could do everything on PC - clean out spyware, defrag and other fun things - I no longer had to on my new powerbook and lots of time has been saved. Now I'm looking forward to a new dualcore Mactel Powerbook with dualboot XP installed. So I can play games again.
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Yes, I've been preaching for a while that the "Switch To A Mac" revolution is underway.

I found the following from the article to be quite powerful:

"According to checks with Apple Store Specialists, Wolf also said a larger than expected percentage of Windows to Mac converts appear to be purchasing Apple's higher-end systems and that their transition is fueled by the epidemic of viruses and malware on the Windows platform."

Apple's compelling operating system and hardware are driving the transistion. It's just the beginning.
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I was at my office Friday when a client and his young daughter came in to pick up a couple of tickets to the Fort Wayne Komets, of the UHL, opening night hockey game in our corporate suite. His daughter commented that she liked the computer that sat on the desk in the reception area, a grape iMac. The father asked if it was an Apple. I told him that it was and we started taking about Macs. I made a comment about how his daughter probably wanted an iPod for Christmas. He said he had 60 GB and she had a 20 GB and that when it came time for a new computer he was considering getting a Mac because he liked his iPod so much.
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i am a mac convert as of september 2, 2005 and my new ibook is on its way today!!!
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When I started travelling with my new job about a year ago, I would see maybe two macs in the waiting area at the gates during my whole trip.

Now, I'm seeing many more 10? 15?

I can't bear to bring out my Windows (work) laptop when I'm waiting there now.

The shift... it's happening.

With Intel guts, dual boot capability, a juicier mini and wicked laptops, it will be an interesting next year.
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Originally posted by fahlman
I was at my office Friday when a client and his young daughter came in to pick up a couple of tickets to the Fort Wayne Komets, of the UHL, opening night hockey game in our corporate suite. His daughter commented that she liked the computer that sat on the desk in the reception area, a grape iMac. The father asked if it was an Apple. I told him that it was and we started taking about Macs. I made a comment about how his daughter probably wanted an iPod for Christmas. He said he had 60 GB and she had a 20 GB and that when it came time for a new computer he was considering getting a Mac because he liked his iPod so much.

Small world. I grew up in Fort Wayne and still have a lot of family in the area. Unless things have changed in the past few years, there aren't very many places in Fort Wayne to get mac stuff. Unless, you drive down I-69 to Indy.
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Originally posted by wymer100
Small world. I grew up in Fort Wayne and still have a lot of family in the area. Unless things have changed in the past few years, there aren't very many places in Fort Wayne to get mac stuff. Unless, you drive down I-69 to Indy.

It's pretty much the same in central Illinois, isn't it? I'm not too sure about the situation in Peoria (small world, indeed), but there's but a single store here in Bloomington-Normal that supports Mac stuff, and I believe they might only be in the hardware business. It'd really be nice if this platform shift has an effect on the focus of local computer retail businesses...
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Small world. I grew up in Fort Wayne and still have a lot of family in the area. Unless things have changed in the past few years, there aren't very many places in Fort Wayne to get mac stuff. Unless, you drive down I-69 to Indy.

Yeah, not too many places to get Macs. There used to be a place called MicroAge on Anthony Blvd and a place called Carper Graphic. MicroAge closed down many years ago and Carper Graphic has recently merged with Pixelcreek Technologies out of South Bend. I'm waiting for an Apple Store to be put in Jefferson Pointe, in case apple is listening.
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There isn't much in Peoria either unless you drive to Chicago or St Louis. It seems like Apple is still targeting the larger cities for Apple stores, particularly ones with large universities. So, I figure it'll be a few more years (if ever) before Fort Wayne or central IL gets something like an Apple store. Jefferson Point would be a nice place to put one, but I doubt it's on Apple's radar.
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Originally posted by wymer100
There isn't much in Peoria either unless you drive to Chicago or St Louis. It seems like Apple is still targeting the larger cities for Apple stores, particularly ones with large universities. So, I figure it'll be a few more years (if ever) before Fort Wayne or central IL gets something like an Apple store. Jefferson Point would be a nice place to put one, but I doubt it's on Apple's radar.

Heck, I'll be satisfied if the Best Buy here would just start carrying Mac software. I'm not even going to think about hoping for an Apple Store to pop up anywhere around central IL Although I can maybe...just maybe...see a viable place for one at The Shoppes at Grand Prairie.
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Originally posted by amac4me

I found the following from the article to be quite powerful:

"According to checks with Apple Store Specialists, Wolf also said a larger than expected percentage of Windows to Mac converts appear to be purchasing Apple's higher-end systems and that their transition is fueled by the epidemic of viruses and malware on the Windows platform."

Apple's compelling operating system and hardware are driving the transistion. It's just the beginning.

Gee, why do you think so many windows users are buying high-end macs? Do you think its because they're so used to being able to change out video cards, adding PCI stuff, etc, or just wanting to use their own monitor, and Apple refuses to give their users that ability unless they spend $2000?

Oh, and how many more converts could they then have if they dared offer some degree of upgradability in the mid-range (you know, a cheap tower - oh, and that crappy 1.8GHz single G5 doesn't count, as it was overpriced [or underpowered, depending on your point of view] and was only in there to say "See, we got something at the $1500 level!")

All-in-ones are a plain waste of money in my view (get a new computer, throw out the monitor, yeah, that makes sense). But a mini is just way too underpowered for what I want. So I basically need to save for 4-5 years to afford a new mac. If apple made 'em cheaper to what most users want, they'd not only sell more to PC people, they'd probably sell more often to the Mac community.
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"If we assume that all of the growth in Mac shipments during the past three quarters resulted from Windows users purchasing a Mac, then purchases by Windows users exceeded one million," the analyst said. "Indeed, the number of Windows users purchasing Macs in 2005 could easily exceed our forecast of 1.3 million switchers in 2006."

Got to love that logic. Any growth must be coming from the Windows market. Gee, and how much of that could be Mac users wanting to upgrade before classic compatibility disappears, or just getting in before the initial Intel machines start being sold, causing all sorts of compatibility and stability issues. No, its got to be windows users, people who bought an ipod and go "Gee, I like this MP3 player. Now I think I should spend three times as much on a computer from the same company!" (Man, look at all the business Creative, Rio, etc, are missing out by not selling computers, since people must like their MP3 players, and, as such, would just love to buy a computer from the same company).
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Originally posted by Louzer
Got to love that logic. Any growth must be coming from the Windows market. Gee, and how much of that could be Mac users wanting to upgrade before classic compatibility disappears, or just getting in before the initial Intel machines start being sold, causing all sorts of compatibility and stability issues. No, its got to be windows users, people who bought an ipod and go "Gee, I like this MP3 player. Now I think I should spend three times as much on a computer from the same company!" (Man, look at all the business Creative, Rio, etc, are missing out by not selling computers, since people must like their MP3 players, and, as such, would just love to buy a computer from the same company).

Somebody needs to take a chill pill
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I bought a powerbook two years ago and haven't looked back since. The power of the computer harnessed with the simplicity of the Mac OS: its what we are all here for, right? I can't wait to see what happens. I think Steve *is* going to make 2006 the next 1984: I'm very confident that after the new Mactels are released, Apple will have secured itself at least another thirty years of viability.

The thing is, the Windows/PC/Linux/Suse/HP/Compaq/Whatever world is a joke. Steve said it best in his recent Time interview: you've got someone making the hardware, someone writing the main GUI, others trying to sport applications that "play nice" with eachother... its all a mess.

Apple is coming upon a time where they've got major public support (and interest) in seeing where a great product line is headed: they've got consumers willing to follow, and anything away from the spyware/malware/virus fest of the PC world (for the past 4 or so years) will seem like a God-send.
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Originally posted by psychboy
Heck, I'll be satisfied if the Best Buy here would just start carrying Mac software. I'm not even going to think about hoping for an Apple Store to pop up anywhere around central IL Although I can maybe...just maybe...see a viable place for one at The Shoppes at Grand Prairie.

That'd be great, but I'm not holding my breath. We can always dream our little dream!
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I've converted 11 people to Mac.
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Originally posted by Krob81
I've converted 11 people to Mac.

Of local and personal issue...

Intel is the largest employer in Oregon and I have a couple of family members who work there. I have spent the past few years in friendly banter over Wintel and IBMacs with me getting the advantage each and every time until they bring up price and games for the kids. Well last year, my PowerBook with iTunes blew away their desktop full of games even with the kids, and I could feel a shift in the wind. The Intel-ites started looking more envious and as they started using their cheapo mp3 players and using bad software with their cheapo digital cameras, they began thinking a switch was at least a metaphysical possibility if not a realistic probability. My brother-in-law even says that closet Mac users are outing themselves at work now!!

Well now that Apple is a partner of Intel and no longer a competitor, my relatives are almost giddy with the thought of switching. Multiply that by all of the s/w and hardware engineers working for Intel world-wide and you get an idea of a market that will "come from nowhere" next year. Just with that I'd buy more stock for the jump in sales that will be occuring. And the trickle down to other companies as they make components and periferals for MacTels will create a small but significant snowballing of switchers, too.

These people are also usually the most influencial word-of-mouth proponents to their friends who want suggestions on "what should my next computer be?"

I assume the upside with Intel employees should compensate for the downside with IBM workers at the Fishkilll plant.
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Originally posted by Barabas
Even though I could do everything on PC - clean out spyware, defrag and other fun things - I no longer had to on my new powerbook and lots of time has been saved. Now I'm looking forward to a new dualcore Mactel Powerbook with dualboot XP installed. So I can play games again.

gaddam right! I manage a dual platform network and spend WAY more time troubleshooting windows' issues.

Here's a juicy Insider-tidbit I got from a local Mac Specialist:

One of the primary reasons that Longhorn changed names to Vista and was delayed a year on its release is due to Mac OS X.

A Longhorn developer, realizing the Longhorn build was based on a version of BSD, decided for kicks to see it Panther would run on it.

It did. Perfectly.

Once his findings got out, they switched the kernel to a FreeBSD relative and began applying "fixes" to keep Mac OS X from running on Wintel boxes. As that creates an all new build, Vista was born.

Set them back a year, whilst viruses and malware continue to spread on XP. How funny is that?!
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Here's a juicy Insider-tidbit I got from a local Mac Specialist:

"Specialist", eh.

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One of the primary reasons that Longhorn changed names to Vista and was delayed a year on its release is due to Mac OS X.

"Longhorn"'s name wasn't changed. Longhorn was the codename of Windows Vista, just like Whistler was the codename of Windows XP. Longhorn was never intended to be the release name of a public product.

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A Longhorn developer, realizing the Longhorn build was based on a version of BSD, decided for kicks to see it Panther would run on it.

Windows uses various network tools that are derived from BSD, but it is a huge stretch to say that Windows as a whole is "based on a version of BSD". Even saying that the networking stack of Windows is "based on a version of BSD" is a stretch.

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It did. Perfectly.

Run on what? Run on top of the Windows command shell? Uh, no. Run on Windows' kernel? No. The Windows NT ABI is vastly different from the Apple Darwin ABI.

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Once his findings got out, they switched the kernel to a FreeBSD relative and began applying "fixes" to keep Mac OS X from running on Wintel boxes. As that creates an all new build, Vista was born.

I want some of your drugs. I'm sure we can come to a good deal.
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I don't like all the talk of this ipod "halo effect". I'm sure the ipod has mad some difference but I don't think it's as much as everybody thinks. I don't have an iPod but I made the switch this year. I was sick of spyware and viruses and the general instability of Windows (it also looks better). It's always been general knowledge that Macs don't crash (or rarely do) so I looked into it. I would have made the switch a lot sooner but couldn't afford it until the Mini came out.

The moment I realized I wanted a mac however was a long time ago when I saw the TV and print ads for the Cube and fell in love.
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I decided long ago that my next computer would not be a Windows one. I spent ages looking at Debain Linux which is now running fantastically on my server, but I couldn't use it as my workstation OS.

Then I looked at alternatives.

I've never owned nor used a Mac properly in my life (other than quickly playing about in a department store.) Yet last May I spent a small fortune on a PowerBook and an Airport Express. I've been extremely happy with my purchase.
Then four months later I bought an iPod shuffle, which I've also been pleased with.

The iPod "halo effect" doesn't mean someone buys an iPod and then gets a Mac. In my opinion, it's merely a method of getting the Apple brand advertised to a broader audience.
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I wonder if I count as one or two switchers. In August I convinced my office to let me switch my Windows laptop for a Macintosh one. That was a big thing since it was the first Mac in our company... and I am the system administrator! I had just had enough of fighting Windows and I wanted something that worked.

After that switch, in October I bought myself an iBook for home. Gave my IBM Thinkpad to the kids. Again, the iBook just works. And it feels right.

All this and I have been a Microsoft guy for a very long time. Developer, partner, sys admin, consultant, long time attender of Tech-Ed, certified, and even a trainer. But Macs just work.

The revolution may finally be happening!
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... the first Mac in our company... and I am the system administrator!

Well, you got the computer in past the most important person! Now it's just a matter of demonstrating to the bean counters that, in terms of total cost of ownership and extended life, Macs are cheaper.
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Interesting that once I got mine, a couple of other people voiced the desire. One or two more should be coming in the door before the end of the year!

Other interesting thing - in the three years I have been at this company we have had no Macs around. Not employees or contractors or consultants. None. Now within the last 4 months or so we have mine as an employee, two consultants that have come in have them, and one new employee who just started brings his home Powerbook in sometimes. He is starting to use it more and more at work.

So, at least with what I deal with, there is a change happening. Is this a sign of something larger? I hope so...
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I want some of your drugs.

Me too, ROTFL!
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Originally posted by Sekio
I don't like all the talk of this ipod "halo effect". I'm sure the ipod has mad some difference but I don't think it's as much as everybody thinks. I don't have an iPod but I made the switch this year. I was sick of spyware and viruses and the general instability of Windows (it also looks better). It's always been general knowledge that Macs don't crash (or rarely do) so I looked into it. I would have made the switch a lot sooner but couldn't afford it until the Mini came out.

The moment I realized I wanted a mac however was a long time ago when I saw the TV and print ads for the Cube and fell in love.


I gotta agree here. I'm not convinced on the "halo effect" either. Sure it matters somewhat, but I think it's more buzzword than proven sales. If Mac sales went up, did PC sales go down? There's no data in context. It's rather presumptuous.

I think the smartest thing Apple did was release the Mini. Finally a cheap system for potential switchers to get their feet wet.
post #29 of 53
I had wanted to move away from Windoze for ages, earlier last year I bought a PC and made it in to a Gentoo Linux box. I only wanted a development server as I had a 'working' laptop.

Earlier this year that laptop died, so I switched to being a Mac user after purchasing my new 15" PowerBook. My partner is a Windoze freak, but it doesn't stop him coming over and drooling over my PB and using it when my back is turned.
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I am very glad to hear alot more people made the move that I just recently made. I have always hesitated to purchase a Mac because of the lack of software etc mainly because there were just not enough people running Mac. I just couldnt make excuses any more and had to buy. I got this PowerBook and I felt kind of like the first day I ever bought a notebook computer. Thought this was the coolest thing ever made
Anyway, now that I see I must have moved in with the world of Mac users at a good time, I am even more excited.

One comment I must make on the article though...

"The momentum generated by Apple's iPod digital music players and related products continues to translate into new Macintosh sales..."

Well this had no positive effect on me. If anything another reason I almost didnt by a Mac was how sick I have been of hearing about iProducts nonstop. I have not and will never buy an ipod. I know this sounds stupid to many of you, but this whole ipod thing is just annoying to me, sorry, just me I guess. But I am SOOOO glad to be a Mac user now. Computers are fun again
Talking to most people, the move to Mac had absolutely nothing to do with icrap. I dont actually think I ever spoke to anyone personally that said that was why they changed. Like myself, it just seems people are so sick of Microsoft and its unstable software. After sitting on the other side and being secretly jealous of how happy Mac users were with their OS, it was just one of those "cant beat em' join em'".
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Originally posted by fahlman
Yeah, not too many places to get Macs. There used to be a place called MicroAge on Anthony Blvd and a place called Carper Graphic. MicroAge closed down many years ago and Carper Graphic has recently merged with Pixelcreek Technologies out of South Bend. I'm waiting for an Apple Store to be put in Jefferson Pointe, in case apple is listening.

I'm going to throw in my "Fort Wayne, small world" comment. I grew up in Napoleon, Ohio and lived in fort wayne for a summer with my brother who produced the 11 o'clock news on WANE-TV for two years. Something that surprised me about Fort Wayne, and maybe my favorite thing, is that it has a really great Disc Golf scene. Good city, I'd love to move back there someday.

We used to go to that Martini Jazz Club place downtown-ish. What's that called? I can't believe I forgot.
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Originally posted by fahlman
Yeah, not too many places to get Macs. There used to be a place called MicroAge on Anthony Blvd and a place called Carper Graphic. MicroAge closed down many years ago and Carper Graphic has recently merged with Pixelcreek Technologies out of South Bend. I'm waiting for an Apple Store to be put in Jefferson Pointe, in case apple is listening.

I'm going to throw in my "Fort Wayne, small world" comment. I grew up in Napoleon, Ohio and lived in fort wayne for a summer with my brother who produced the 11 o'clock news on WANE-TV for two years. Something that surprised me about Fort Wayne, and maybe my favorite thing, is that it has a really great Disc Golf scene. Good city, I'd love to move back there someday.

We used to go to that Martini Jazz Club place downtown-ish. What's that called? I can't believe I forgot.
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Originally posted by progmac
Something that surprised me about Fort Wayne, and maybe my favorite thing, is that it has a really great Disc Golf scene.

West Swinney Park has a course. It's a nice old park when it isn't hold leftovers from the St. Mary's River.

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We used to go to that Martini Jazz Club place downtown-ish. What's that called? I can't believe I forgot.

On Superior St.? Club Soda.
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Originally posted by fahlman
West Swinney Park has a course. It's a nice old park when it isn't hold leftovers from the St. Mary's River.

On Superior St.? Club Soda.

Ah, Club Soda, I can't believe I forgot the name of that place. I wish Cincinnati had a cool place like that. I used to live right over by Swinney Park, but it was the summer of '03 which equalled tons of flooding. We would always go out to Shoaff Park which had what i thought was a better course.
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Hey, I converted 3 myself and working on another one. Still waiting for my cheque from apple...
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Originally posted by AppleInsider
At this time, the iPods share of the 1-inch hard drive segment should rebound, Wolf said.

Impressive, that would be quite a feat now that there is officially no iPod being made anymore that has a "1-inch" hard drive, the ones out there are just being sold out of old stock.

The rebound of Mac sales other factors, the iPod halo is just one. Window's maintainance problems are another, the purported ease of use is another, and the increased profile because of the mall stores help as well.
post #37 of 53
I bought my PB 1 year ago, and since then I've converted eight people. I'm that guy at the bar who tries to preach the gospel of Mac to any unsuspecting soul who happens along. Those friends of mine who are not switching to Mac are perhaps not friends after all.
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Originally posted by hankx32
I bought my PB 1 year ago, and since then I've converted eight people. I'm that guy at the bar who tries to preach the gospel of Mac to any unsuspecting soul who happens along. Those friends of mine who are not switching to Mac are perhaps not friends after all.

Just pray your friends don't ask about iPhoto!
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Originally posted by Louzer
Got to love that logic. Any growth must be coming from the Windows market. Gee, and how much of that could be Mac users wanting to upgrade before classic compatibility disappears, or just getting in before the initial Intel machines start being sold, causing all sorts of compatibility and stability issues. No, its got to be windows users, people who bought an ipod and go "Gee, I like this MP3 player. Now I think I should spend three times as much on a computer from the same company!" (Man, look at all the business Creative, Rio, etc, are missing out by not selling computers, since people must like their MP3 players, and, as such, would just love to buy a computer from the same company).

a little bit over the top, isn't it?
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Originally posted by progmac
I used to live right over by Swinney Park, but it was the summer of '03 which equalled tons of flooding.

I lived on the corner of Washington and Nelson in the summer of '93. Just a few blocks from Swinney Park.

Edit: You said '03, not '93. I guess I'm old.
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