Originally posted by Kickaha
Agreed, but if you're *only* doing an en masse back up, you *DON'T* care where files are stored, do you? When you're backing up your mail, for example, you don't care about which mail message is stored where, you just want all your mail backed up. I don't see a Backup feature *inside* Mail, nor would I expect to.
Well, I don't know about a backup feature within Mail.app, but there are a lot of people that would think that going into their ~/Library/ folder to backup their email is too hard.
I think this way leads to the Kitchen Sink Mentality... and Windows UI design.
So, by Apple putting that inside iPhoto, EVERY iApp / Apple App will be like that? And all developers everywhere will turn their heads and follow Apple's lead? I hardly think so. My thinking is that Photo organization apps could be the exception to the rule, not the base-standard.
[quote][b]This is what I meant by lack of solid definitions for what people meant by backing up... to me, and to most people, backing up is a mirroring of the current state of *everything*.
What I hear most people saying is "I want to move certain pictures aside for a while, but pull them back in later with preserved metadata". The term most often used for that is Archiving.
I'm not talking about archiving. Everything that I was originally talking about was not relating to removal of the photos from the iPhoto library at all. More like incremental backup. You can backup all your stuff now, and iPhoto keeps track of what was backed up. Then when you want to backup again, it will only backup what has changed since the last back up (I was originally just thinking about 'new photos,' but this discussion has forced me to think beyond that; I realized that previously backed up photos might still be editted in the future.)
Again, clashing terminology. There's no reason to have a Backup feature in iPhoto, one in iTunes, one in iMovie, one in iDVD... when you can have a dedicated tool that only needs to know only a little bit about the file structure of each app. Think plugins into a backup tool.
I think that the plugins to a backup tool is a good idea. Something that can specifically access the libraries of iPhoto, iTunes, etc. Possibly have some way of defining a 'default backup tool' in OS X and then having a 'Backup' button in iPhoto that launches it or something? But that's beside the point.
I haven't used iMovie, or iDVD, but I was under the impression that they weren't managers of movie/dvd libraries. So those would be about as relevent as the MS Word example.
Archiving is another issue, and one that I agree needs to be addressed, and *has* to be done from within iPhoto.
Archiving could be done with an external backup tool. It would just need a plugin allowing it to use the iPhoto library. But that only solves the 'putting it to disk and removing it' issue. There's also the issue of how iPhoto should handle the missing files? What if some of those files were in albums that still exist and have unarchived flies in them? Should the albums still be viewable in iPhoto, but with a message that says you need to 'Insert Archive Disc 2?'
Ah, see, that's archiving. And it *is* a useful feature.
I wasn't talking about archiving at that point. Archiving assumes that the files are being 'moved' off disk/offsite/etc. I was just talking about burning them to disc.
Er, if you're not concerned about metadata, here's an iPhoto route to the same thing, more or less:
Export pictures to disc.
Tag pictures as exported.
Not as smooth, definitely, but I think it provides the backbone for the same functionality. Perhaps a quick Applescript over the top?
Perhaps a better interface for this in iPhoto. Like a 'tag as exported' check box in preferences or a pop-up when you export. Does export allow you to export directly to CD/DVD? That might be useful.
One comment also is that the 'snapshots'/backups could be stored in a way that would allow them to be used for other programs. (i.e. store them so that you don't have to sort through massive amounts of edits, duplicates, etc if you want to use the backup to put them onto a PC, or another photo library on the Mac.) Because what if you decide to use that backup sometime in the future when you no longer have iPhoto or OS X? Lessening the burden on the user would be nice. I wouldn't expect Apple to do this, but another backup program could.