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Engineers at Apple Computer have recently compiled the first builds of Mac OS X 10.4.4, the fourth in a series of several maintenance updates planned for the company's Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" operating system over the next 10 months, tipsters tell AppleInsider

While few, if any, details of the operating system update have yet to surface, some Apple developers have reportedly been told to expect the first pre-release external seeds of the software during the last week of November or first week of December.

Apple has historically completed and released to the public a maintenance update to its Mac OS X operating system just prior the Christmas holiday and the company's short winter vacation.

Last year Apple released Mac OS X 10.3.7 on December 15th and the year before issued Mac OS X 10.3.2 on December 17th. Back in 2002, the Mac maker posted to its website Mac OS X 10.2.3 on December 19th, just days before the holidays.

Each of the holiday maintenance updates saw their first external seed come in mid-to-late November, suggesting that Mac OS X 10.4.4 could be on a similar schedule that spans only a few weeks from developer seeding to release.

Regardless of whether Mac OS X 10.4.4 will make the pre-holiday cut or debut shortly after the new year, sources believe a later milestone of the update may be used on the first Macs that will ship with Intel processors in the first half of 2006.

Apple recently issued the third maintenance release to its Tiger operating system, brining the software up to version 10.4.3 during the last week in October.
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Any word about Dashcode?
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The most interesting comment in the article is the "over the next 10 months".

I wonder if that puts a release date for 10.5 on the table for about September 2006.
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The big question : is Quartz 2D exteme enabled ?
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As long as it's not a huge download, I'll be happy.
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The big question : is Quartz 2D exteme enabled ?

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301984
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Disables Quartz 2D ExtremeQuartz 2D Extreme is not a supported feature in Tiger, and re-enabling it may lead to video redraw issues or kernel panics.
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Yes, we are STILL waiting for Tiger to be decent quality...


As for the "10 months" I really hope that is NOT true.

10.5 needs to be a serious, major update. It needs to change the game on Microsoft and not be a minor bump like we have seen over the past few years.

I hope Apple takes their time with 10.5. Make sure they have incorporated every good idea from Longhorn--yes there will be some. And then put Microsoft to shame but leapfrogging them in a major way.
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Originally posted by BWhaler
Yes, we are STILL waiting for Tiger to be decent quality...


As for the "10 months" I really hope that is NOT true.

10.5 needs to be a serious, major update. It needs to change the game on Microsoft and not be a minor bump like we have seen over the past few years.

I hope Apple takes their time with 10.5. Make sure they have incorporated every good idea from Longhorn--yes there will be some. And then put Microsoft to shame but leapfrogging them in a major way.

10 months from now gives Apple a good 18 month development cycle. Longer than this last one was.
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It is going to be quite enjoyable to watch Apple release the new Mac line and Leopard around the same time as M$ tries to roll out vista. Finally, the media will be able to compare the OS offerings from both companies on a more level playing field. The OS War is about to be brought to the forefront for the first time in a long time. When was the last time that both companies released an OS at the same time, or even within 6 months of each other?

I don't mind paying Apple every 18 months for an OS upgrade. It works out to less than $10 a month for a beautiful, stable, secure and powerful OS that understands how I want to work and lets me be more productive. That's a much better deal then having to pay M$ $10 a month for spyware protection, anti-virus protection and also have to pay them for new OS's every couple years that do little more than change the color scheme of the desktop! Talk about a racket!! Isn't it against the law to provide a product of know inferior quality and then charge extra to make it work properly?
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The impressive part is that Apple is still going full steam on 10.4 while working on the Mactels and 10.5. Why is it that little old Apple can do this and big old MS can't?
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I knew, I wasn't serious.
Since at least one dude asked for Q2DX at each tiger update, I had to do so.
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Originally posted by kenaustus
The impressive part is that Apple is still going full steam on 10.4 while working on the Mactels and 10.5. Why is it that little old Apple can do this and big old MS can't?

MS does. They have at least five different operating systems that they are working on at once. Then comes the X Box, now the 360. They produce their own games, as well as Office, an enterprise size Database, hardware, and many other products as well.
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I knew, I wasn't serious.
Since at least one dude asked for Q2DX at each tiger update, I had to do so.

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Keep that page handy, you'll need it again...and again.

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The impressive part is that Apple is still going full steam on 10.4 while working on the Mactels and 10.5. Why is it that little old Apple can do this and big old MS can't?

Thats because they Suck........


Microsoft = theives, thats the only reason why Vista has been delayed for years and years now... because apple keeps Inovating and microcrap keeps having to change the formula or rethink everything.

I hope apple keeps on making them have to go back to the drawing board until they are inovated out of existance......... I know format bashing has become very unpopular latley on msg brds but hey "way back before i switched to mac.... i lost some very very important files that are never to be had again" thanks to their incompitance in making a secure o.s. let them eat cake!!!!
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Originally posted by french macuser
I knew, I wasn't serious.
Since at least one dude asked for Q2DX at each tiger update, I had to do so.

Ah, alright, heh
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uh, i've lost files on my macs over the years.... especially pre-osx days...

and i personally hope vista is stellar - the faster software progresses, the better it is for all of us - even if the features show up on our second favorite platform first...
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Originally posted by BWhaler
Yes, we are STILL waiting for Tiger to be decent quality...


As for the "10 months" I really hope that is NOT true.

10.5 needs to be a serious, major update. It needs to change the game on Microsoft and not be a minor bump like we have seen over the past few years.

I hope Apple takes their time with 10.5. Make sure they have incorporated every good idea from Longhorn--yes there will be some. And then put Microsoft to shame but leapfrogging them in a major way.

well you know, tiger really is a great OS point release, and were around when it came out? people left and right were bashing apple for releasing products too quickly. they didnt want to have to pay $130 every year. and now all of a sudden there's a demand for 10.5?? i just dont understand.
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It's very simple to understand, people like to complain. They also like to refuse to take any responsibility for themselves.

I'd say 10.5 will be the one that utilises and adds support for IA-32e, it is about the right timeframe, and that certainly isn't a bad thing. There are always things that can be added or improved and people normally like something new but for now 10.4 works well enough and I get what I need to done.
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you know, with apple's recent vague patent about multi-boot system setups out of the box, they may just want leopard and vista to play VERY well together. and i've said it before, microsoft DOES NOT CARE what kind of box runs their OS and apps. they'd be happy to stab every contract-holder in the back and side with apple if there were macs threatning to be on every desktop. microsoft is in it for the money, bottom line, pure and simple. if you always remember that, lots of other things fall into place.
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Originally posted by kenaustus
The impressive part is that Apple is still going full steam on 10.4 while working on the Mactels and 10.5. Why is it that little old Apple can do this and big old MS can't?

Oh come on. Do you know how many freaking chipsets,chips, usb devices, freak configurations MS has to support/test?

Don't make us defend MS please.
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Originally posted by Chucker
Ah, alright, heh

OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.

If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
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OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.

If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.

Because you guys were lucky. Most of the reports said that there were many problems. The web sites that tested it also reported problems. Do you think that Apple would turn off a useful functioning technology?
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Originally posted by Ilgaz
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.

If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.

I'm not sure it works great under 10.4.3. Some users reported kernel panics the minute after they enabled it. \

But maybe in 10.4.4 it will be activated by default.
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10 months from now gives Apple a good 18 month development cycle. Longer than this last one was.

Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.
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Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!!
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Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!!

Apple never promised anything about Q2DE and in Tiger Q2D is already much faster than QuickDraw - perhaps they are still using that.
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Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.

Neither was/is Panther. Software projects are hardly ever done.
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I've seen Quartz Extreme in several threads recently, and remember Steve-o talking about it, but can't remember exactly what it was supposed to add and do. Anyone?
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Apple never promised anything about Q2DE and in Tiger Q2D is already much faster than QuickDraw - perhaps they are still using that.

Well yes they did, it was a touted feature @ WWDC and was on their Mac OS X Tiger web page for a long time. Advertising of this nature to me suggests a sure fire thing, IOW a promise.

JLL, your assumption is correct, they are still using Quickdraw. They mentioned they were actively re-writing the drawing architecture of the application, to fully implement Quartz 2D Extreme. They mentioned when Tiger ships they would be ready to ship the Cubase update to take full advantage of Q2DE which would also have seen Quickdraw deprecated and our lives better off.

This is a failed promise from my perspective...one which makes myself and countless others very bitter.
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JLL, your assumption is correct, they are still using Quickdraw. They mentioned they were actively re-writing the drawing architecture of the application, to fully implement Quartz 2D Extreme. They mentioned when Tiger ships they would be ready to ship the Cubase update to take full advantage of Q2DE which would also have seen Quickdraw deprecated and our lives better off.

AFAIK they are not supposed to do anything to take advantage of Q2DE when it is enabled - other than make sure to use Q2D in the first place.

I can't see what's holding them back since Q2D alone should give them a nice speedup.
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Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.

Runs stabley, all promissed features now work really fast, very few bugs remain in 10.4.3 (none that i know of) If it is everything you were promised at release and is stable and has needed bug fixes, how is it not "finished"? and what is "finished"?
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Apple never promised anything about Q2DE...

Don't make me repeat things we already know but quickly forget. Fast forward to min. 23. Apple apparently miscalculated something here and was unable to deliver at all. Yet. It is just as simple as that.
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Neither was/is Panther. Software projects are hardly ever done.

Yawn.

Obviously no software is "complete." You can go on for ever and ever fixing bugs and adding new features.

But Tiger:

1. Does not work on single 1.8 G5
2. Has massive lockupd issues which crush internet access on late generation ibooks and new powerbooks with over 1gig of memory
3. Flicker the screen on new powerbooks with over 1 gig of memory.

These are critical, show stopper type bugs.

We're all Apple fans here. It's why we are here. But let's not be Apple Apologists.
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Yawn.

Obviously no software is "complete." You can go on for ever and ever fixing bugs and adding new features.

But Tiger:

1. Does not work on single 1.8 G5
2. Has massive lockupd issues which crush internet access on late generation ibooks and new powerbooks with over 1gig of memory
3. Flicker the screen on new powerbooks with over 1 gig of memory.

These are critical, show stopper type bugs.

We're all Apple fans here. It's why we are here. But let's not be Apple Apologists.


[cough]Bullshite[/cough]

You've been ranting about this stuff for 6 months. There are no more show stopper bugs in OS X.
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Maybe Apple can make an update to OS X that brings my Dual 2.5ghz Power Mac G5 up to the performance speed (for getting around my Mac HD) that I once had in a beige G3!!!!

...With every update since 10.3.9 comes SLOWER performance and SLOOOOOOWER performance issues!!!!

C'MON!!!
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Originally posted by Targon
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!

Then Steinberg was bullshitting you. CubaseSX, as far as I know, still uses QuickDraw. Apple hasn't been optimizing QuickDraw for many years; it's a dying technology, no news there. Steinberg needs to switch to Quartz 2D, which as of Panther was indeed slower than QuickDraw. With Tiger, that has changed -- Quartz 2D is now faster.

Would Quartz 2D Extreme make it even faster? Yes. But that requires absolutely no intervention from developers. All developers need to do, and were supposed to do for many years now, is transition to Quartz 2D instead of QuickDraw.
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