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post #81 of 97
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
It's not really important what percentage of total sales it is.

Gene Clean and I seldom agree , but like him, I beg to differ. This is very much a question of percentage.

"Three types bread may contain an unusually high amount of flour." is quite an issue when you only produce five types as a whole. It is much less noteworthy, however, when two-hundred different types, all of which sell a lot.
post #82 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Nobody is stopping Apple from having 200+ models.



Yes. Yes, it is.

So, Dell sells 15 million machines and recalls 1.5 million (that we know of).

10%. Is that good?
post #83 of 97
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Originally posted by melgross
So, Dell sells 15 million machines and recalls 1.5 million (that we know of).

10%. Is that good?

So Apple sells 1 million and recalls 250,000 batteries. That's 25%. Is that good?

P.S. Chucker.
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post #84 of 97
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Originally posted by melgross
So, Dell sells 15 million machines and recalls 1.5 million (that we know of).

10%. Is that good?

What percentage of iMac G5s will develop problems because of the faulty power component? What percentage of them probably should have been recalled because it might cause problems, though maybe most of them might not develop a problem? Personally, I'd rather get a known potential problem checked out and component replaced at my leisure or less pressure than have the computer fail at a critical deadline.
post #85 of 97
speaking of Gene Clean, i had a weird dream last night that you were someone i knew from before - can't remember who or what or when.... hmmm i wonder if my medications are working right...
post #86 of 97
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Originally posted by sunilraman
speaking of Gene Clean, i had a weird dream last night that you were someone i knew from before - can't remember who or what or when.... hmmm i wonder if my medications are working right...

Have you seen Mulholland Drive lately? hint hint
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post #87 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
So Apple sells 1 million and recalls 250,000 batteries. That's 25%. Is that good?

P.S. Chucker.

Apple doesn't make the batteries. The batteries that Dell recalled are the same ones that Apple recalled.

Besides, we're more concerned about the computers. That's a bit more serious.
post #88 of 97
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Originally posted by melgross
Apple doesn't make the batteries. The batteries that Dell recalled are the same ones that Apple recalled.

So you're blaming Dell, but not Apple. Seems a little unfair to me. Especially considering that Apple had more problems than just batteries. Ask any Rev. A iMac owner.

But that's besides the point. The point is that Apple uses standard parts just like everyone else. Sometimes they use ridiculously cheap parts for even their high-end machines (Maxtors in PowerMacs). They don't use some magically better parts. Their cases are of good quality, but that's because they pay a lot of attention to aesthetics.

The rest is commodity hardware.
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post #89 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Have you seen Mulholland Drive lately? hint hint

Oh shit...you picked your alias from the pool cleaner?
post #90 of 97
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Oh shit...you picked your alias from the pool cleaner?

Bingo.
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post #91 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
So you're blaming Dell, but not Apple. Seems a little unfair to me. Especially considering that Apple had more problems than just batteries. Ask any Rev. A iMac owner.

But that's besides the point. The point is that Apple uses standard parts just like everyone else. Sometimes they use ridiculously cheap parts for even their high-end machines (Maxtors in PowerMacs). They don't use some magically better parts. Their cases are of good quality, but that's because they pay a lot of attention to aesthetics.

The rest is commodity hardware.

No, I'm not. I was just pointing out that Apple seems to get more bad press when something does happen.

A few years ago, for example (you might remember), headlines, and even tv newscasts reported that Apple's batteries were overheating and that a "few" had actually burned.

When the same thing happened a few months later to Dell (same batteries again), the stories were that the Sony batteries in Dells portables were overheating and a "few" had burned.

That leaves a memory in the publics mind.

All manufacturers use the same drives. I won't argue that. But Apple still has a better MTBF.
post #92 of 97
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Originally posted by melgross
[B]No, I'm not. I was just pointing out that Apple seems to get more bad press when something does happen.

It also gets a lot of good press when something relatively small gets announced by Apple. So it's a two-way road.

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A few years ago, for example (you might remember), headlines, and even tv newscasts reported that Apple's batteries were overheating and that a "few" had actually burned.

When the same thing happened a few months later to Dell (same batteries again), the stories were that the Sony batteries in Dells portables were overheating and a "few" had burned.

So they said Apple's batteries burned, and they said Dell's batteries burned. What's the difference?

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That leaves a memory in the publics mind.

Of course. As does loads of good (free) press that Apple gets when it announces things.

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All manufacturers use the same drives. I won't argue that. But Apple still has a better MTBF.

But it's not just the batteries. Power supplies in iMacs, capacitors in iMacs, scrolling-track issues in PowerBooks, SuperDrives spitting the crap out of CDs in iMacs, bad logic board in iBooks (a repeat thing, I keep reading people replacing their logic boards for the 3rd time), etc.

I'm not saying Apple is worse than Dell or HP. But for the premium we pay for Apple products - it's not that much better either.
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post #93 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
[B]So they said Apple's batteries burned, and they said Dell's batteries burned. What's the difference?

No. They said that Apple's batteries burned for Apple but they said that Sony's batteries burned for Dell.

If you don't see the difference, then there's no point in discussing this at all.

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Of course. As does loads of good (free) press that Apple gets when it announces things.

That's the point, Apple gets a lot of press, but people tend to remember negative things even more.

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But it's not just the batteries. Power supplies in iMacs, capacitors in iMacs, scrolling-track issues in PowerBooks, SuperDrives spitting the crap out of CDs in iMacs, bad logic board in iBooks (a repeat thing, I keep reading people replacing their logic boards for the 3rd time), etc.

That's all true, but it happens to a smaller percentage of people on Macs. We're just more tuned into it. Look where we're talking.

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I'm not saying Apple is worse than Dell or HP. But for the premium we pay for Apple products - it's not that much better either.

I don't agree there. Over the years I bought several dozen PM's for my company. I only had a problem with one, and it was third party video memory.

But I also had bought various Gateway, IBM, Dell, and Compac machines. The failure rates (and lack of stability) was much greater.

As I mentioned, the same thing in our school system.
post #94 of 97
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Originally posted by melgross
[B]No. They said that Apple's batteries burned for Apple but they said that Sony's batteries burned for Dell.

If you don't see the difference, then there's no point in discussing this at all.

Well, I didn't catch that. I apologize. That changes things.


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That's the point, Apple gets a lot of press, but people tend to remember negative things even more.

I think this varies from what website you read, but Apple gets a lot more good press than bad. Three major website that I read give Apple a lot more good press than bad (ArsT., News.com and OSNews.com).

I'm not saying anything about TV because I never watch it.


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That's all true, but it happens to a smaller percentage of people on Macs. We're just more tuned into it. Look where we're talking.

The percentage is unknown, but the argument is flawed. If it happened to a small percentage, why were all batteries recalled? Or iMac power supplies changed? I mean, shit happens, and nobody's perfect, but it's not just a small percentage.


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I don't agree there. Over the years I bought several dozen PM's for my company. I only had a problem with one, and it was third party video memory.

PMs are not the only products Apple charges a premium on. About the only product where you actually get a good bang for the buck right now is iMac. All the rest is just overpriced. Good, but overpriced (I'm not claiming that the pricing is bad.. or unreasonable, just stating a fact).


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But I also had bought various Gateway, IBM, Dell, and Compac machines. The failure rates (and lack of stability) was much greater.

As I mentioned, the same thing in our school system.

And I bought various iBooks and they all failed on me. Once the hard-drive, then it was the logic board...

Anyway, my point is, Apple doesn't have that much of a better QC than others. Especially since they pretty much use the same parts. The news coverage may be more negative, but that's a whole different beast.
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post #95 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean

The percentage is unknown, but the argument is flawed. If it happened to a small percentage, why were all batteries recalled? Or iMac power supplies changed? I mean, shit happens, and nobody's perfect, but it's not just a small percentage.

All batteries weren't recalled, nowhere close to 250,000 as I recall. Just those that fit within a range of serial numbers.The percentages aren't unknown. At the time of these problems they were public. After time has gone by, unless we happen to remember the numbers...I remember that about 50,000 iMacs were effected by the capacitor problem.

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PMs are not the only products Apple charges a premium on. About the only product where you actually get a good bang for the buck right now is iMac. All the rest is just overpriced. Good, but overpriced (I'm not claiming that the pricing is bad.. or unreasonable, just stating a fact).

PM's were what I bought because we were a commercial photo lab, and so that's what we used. The schools machines as I mentioned, were mostly iMacs of various generations.

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And I bought various iBooks and they all failed on me. Once the hard-drive, then it was the logic board...

Ok, so you're personally pissed. I understand that. I've got 5 PM's here at home in use today, going back to a 400MHz B/W. Never had a problem with any. I retired my 9600 a bit over 6 months ago and my 9500 a little over a year ago. Never had a problem with them either. So you went one way, and I went the other. Luck of the draw.

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Anyway, my point is, Apple doesn't have that much of a better QC than others. Especially since they pretty much use the same parts. The news coverage may be more negative, but that's a whole different beast. [/B]

I still don't agree.
post #96 of 97
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
So you're blaming Dell, but not Apple. Seems a little unfair to me. Especially considering that Apple had more problems than just batteries. Ask any Rev. A iMac owner.

I've got a Rev A iMac. It's got no problems at all. So asking *any* Rev A iMac owner is a silly statement. Thinking about it, I've a Rev A iBook G3 500Mhz too and that's had no problems either. It was the later models that had problems. ;-)

I think I escape the Rev A iMac problems because it's a European iMac and we've better quality power supplies in them IIRC. I only know 3 people with Rev A iMacs and no problems anywhere - 100% working.
post #97 of 97
OK, Gene, would this be enough drives for you?

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/11...nect/index.php
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