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Are you kidding? That movie was great because the characters were allowed to display humor, the lack of which typically causes most sci-fi movies to lose their appeal in their self-seriousness. I loved Serenity. In fact, I'd call it near-perfect. However, I didn't see Firefly, so I don't have much to compare Serenity to. By itself though, I thought it was exceptional.

I loved it too. You had to ignore the "is it a solar system or is it a galaxy?" thing - how could they lose Miranda when it was obviously in the same solar system as the radio guy?
Or maybe not, since they seem to have FTL radio and travel.

Also, the "broadcast to the universe" button was stupid in the backup transmitting station. How often would you use that? - it was the only button there.

But that was fleeting, and the movie was just as good as the series for me.
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post #82 of 113
i thought it was a bad-ass film as well, but then again i was a fan of the show.
post #83 of 113
I have to add Shaolin Soccer to the FTYWYCSOYB list. I don't know which movie was campier, Shaolin Soccer or Kung Fu Hustle. Actually I'd like the time back I spent watching both of these movies.
post #84 of 113
The film: Fantastic Planet

Presented at the auditorium in the EE Building at Georgia Tech
Atlanta, Georgia
1978.

I was there with a girl (in the dark days of 1978, before the nursing school set up shop next to Ma Tech, that accomplishment was enough to earn the envy of nearly the entire campus).

We and the rest of the audience watched it for about 30 minutes. We waited for the plot to form, ...for something to happen, ...for the characters to do something.... My eyes were bleeing. I looked at my date and she was going into boredom convulsions. I got up and pulled/guided her out of there.

Our motion jogged the rest of the audience out of their stupor and the place erupted in angry cat-calls. As my date and I made it to the lobby doors, I turned to look back at the scene.

Silhouetted against the screen, the student body was changing into a mob howling in fury, rising from their seats and shaking their fists at the blue-skinned, brain-numbing aliens.

My date and I walked across campus to Pippin's Pizza for beer and awesome, thick-crust pizza that I have not, in all the years since, seen surpassed. Pippin's is gone now, so it's too late for you.

V/R,

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post #85 of 113
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I have to add Shaolin Soccer to the FTYWYCSOYB list. I don't know which movie was campier, Shaolin Soccer or Kung Fu Hustle. Actually I'd like the time back I spent watching both of these movies.

If you didn't like Kung Fu Hustle, talk to your doctor.
post #86 of 113
MAGNOLIA! Worst. Movie. EVAR!
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Wait until you see the QT produced Hostel.
Some crazy violence in this one.

read through some comments on that one, and it reminds me.. cabin fever. i swear to god i do not see what people saw in that movie. some of the dopiest uses of slow-mo ever, and it's like it tried to ape everything we find campy about 80's horror movies, but instead of trying to parody them (scary movie... the original, we will not speak of the sequels) edit: or treat the cliche's with a serious angle, a la the original scream, it just acts like it's serious the whole way through, edit: despite inane scenes like the slo-mo karate child, and the deer on the truck and... oh hell, there are just too many to mention, so you're never sure if you're supposed to laugh or be grossed out or shocked or scared or what.
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post #88 of 113
True, rok. Same Director.

I'm not really into that genre, but I have to mix four commentaries for Hostel. Four!
Usually there is only one or two.

I guess that they're going to pack this DVD full of extras.

BTW people - Magnolia was fantastic (love PTA). Haven't seen Shaolin Soccer, but Kung Fu Hustle was one of the most original films that I've seen and now one of my favorites.
post #89 of 113
Hostel.
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Hostel.

Dude tell me about it, that movie just shouldn't have been made. I can only imagine though that places like that exist.
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post #91 of 113
Vanilla Sky.
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ice planet

I love this review of Ice Planet

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Even reading reviews of this movie is a waste of time, 4 November 2005

Author: EyeSzONLy from Netherlands

Just don't watch it. That is what I say. I have nothing to say more. This is all the information you get, because it is the information you need Do not even think about watching it. This movie will eat your brain and puke it on your face. If you want to know how it is when your brain get's eaten, watch Hannibal There. Everything sucks in this movie except the Asian scientist, he seems to be the only one who has a little bit of brain capacity.

I give this movie a '2', cus you know: they still achieved to make a movie, although I don't know what's the message of it. I think porn has a better message.
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The film: Fantastic Planet

Presented at the auditorium in the EE Building at Georgia Tech
Atlanta, Georgia
1978.

I liked that movie. Watched as a kid on TV and thought it was one step above all those B&W horror/scifi movies. It has that typcial Scifi theme of warning us of our own hubris.

Probably the lack of scary creatures causing your date to jump in your arms was the real cause of your dislike for the movie
post #95 of 113
This thread reminded me of the best worst-movie I ever saw: 'Amazon women in the avocado jungle of death".

We rented it because the name was a crack-up and we were in the mood to just watch and mock something completely horrible...but we actually had fun with it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630...v=glance&n=130

Just noticed Bill Maher was in it, didn't know him from Adam when I first saw the film.
post #96 of 113
Nothing but Trouble

Good casting != Good movie

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post #97 of 113
The most embarrassing "documentary" must be that made-for-TV abortion "DC 9-11: Time of Crisis", "directed" (!) by one Lionel Chetwynd. If anyone was unfortunate to see it, and sit through it... it's so bad as to qualify as a(n unintentional) farce.

http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/feature/.../index_np.html

Two thumbs so far down I cannot see them.
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post #98 of 113
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I liked that movie. Watched as a kid on TV and thought it was one step above all those B&W horror/scifi movies. It has that typcial Scifi theme of warning us of our own hubris.

Probably the lack of scary creatures causing your date to jump in your arms was the real cause of your dislike for the movie

Well, a gentleman never tells...

Seriously, if it had been Northeastern, the students, bless 'em, would have burned the theater down.

V/Nostalgic,

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post #99 of 113
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Are you kidding? That movie was great because the characters were allowed to display humor, the lack of which typically causes most sci-fi movies to lose their appeal in their self-seriousness. I loved Serenity. In fact, I'd call it near-perfect. However, I didn't see Firefly, so I don't have much to compare Serenity to. By itself though, I thought it was exceptional.

Man if you haven't seen Firefly rent the series at once and you'll understand what he's saying. Of course you'll get to know the characters more and I think you'll like it better than the movie.
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post #100 of 113
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I loved it too. You had to ignore the "is it a solar system or is it a galaxy?" thing - how could they lose Miranda when it was obviously in the same solar system as the radio guy?
Or maybe not, since they seem to have FTL radio and travel.

Also, the "broadcast to the universe" button was stupid in the backup transmitting station. How often would you use that? - it was the only button there.

But that was fleeting, and the movie was just as good as the series for me.

It is one solar system -- they don't have any faster then light technology.

I truly loved the Firefly series, but there are many things that I didn't like about Serenity:

1)Horrible plot points:
a) Loosing/hiding a planet that everyone can see with a telescope and millions of people had immigrated to. Yeah right...

b) Airborne tranquilizers that calm down 90% of the recipients, and turns the other 10% in to hyper-aggressive monsters. Sounds more like a miss-cast magic spell than a product of science (and they somehow missed a disastrous 10% side effect in the laboratory trials.)

c) Ok, even if you accept the ridiculous plot points so far, they become terribly inconsistent: They show that 90% of the population dies peacefully from apathy, but if 10% of the population turned to vicious monsters as they stated, the tranquil members of the population would have been mutilated, raped, and killed by the hyper-aggressive.

The Revers were well done on Firefly. They were the Indians roaming on the edge of the western-based solar system that terrified the settlers. In the Movie they were changed into monsters from a grad C horror flick. (The movie was supposed to be based on Firefly, not Buffy the Vampier Slayer.)

2) The Combat:
a) Turning River into a totally unrealistic killing machine was just bad. The sharp shooting she did in one of the Firefly episode was one thing, having her becoming an unbeatable hand to hand killing machine moves the film out of science fiction and into the realms of Wutan magic Kung fu movies and Buffiy the vampire slayer shows.

b)Speaking of ridiculous mystical fighting techniques: The Alliance Operative's nerve hits that paralyze the victims and stiffen them like a board so he can make a speech before killing them -- how cheesy and unrealistic can you get? Totally impossible magical attacks have no place in a science fiction setting (they were annoying enough on shows like Xena Warrior Princess).

3) The Killings
Killing off characters, especially when rapping up a series, has become a Joss Whedon trademark, and the character deaths in Serenity did not help drive the plot, but had a feeling of "look at me -- I'm Joss Whedon and I have the balls to kill main characters!"

There was also some history revisions and character modifications that I did not like, but it will only bother people who watched and enjoyed Firefly.

Firefly was one the best Science Fiction series ever done, and I really wish that its memory was not tarnished by the abomination of a movie called Serenity.

Humm, can you tell that I was somewhat disappointed by this movie...
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post #101 of 113
Ooo, I just remembered: "Dead Heat" with Treat Williams and Joe Piscopo, (post SNL and starting into his body builder phase) as, um, zombie cops.

Yes, they get killed and are reanimated but stay on the case. Piscopo acts like he wants us to know he's better than the material (!) and Williams just appears to be suffering. The kind of movie that stops for a slapstick bit involving the reanimating trick and a butcher's shop, so that the poultry and pork can cha-cha and shimmy while the leads mug and bug their eyes out at each other. Just horrific.
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post #102 of 113
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Originally posted by Res
It is one solar system -- they don't have any faster then light technology.

I truly loved the Firefly series, but there are many things that I didn't like about Serenity:

1)Horrible plot points:
a) Loosing/hiding a planet that everyone can see with a telescope and millions of people had immigrated to. Yeah right...

b) Airborne tranquilizers that calm down 90% of the recipients, and turns the other 10% in to hyper-aggressive monsters. Sounds more like a miss-cast magic spell than a product of science (and they somehow missed a disastrous 10% side effect in the laboratory trials.)

c) Ok, even if you accept the ridiculous plot points so far, they become terribly inconsistent: They show that 90% of the population dies peacefully from apathy, but if 10% of the population turned to vicious monsters as they stated, the tranquil members of the population would have been mutilated, raped, and killed by the hyper-aggressive.

The Revers were well done on Firefly. They were the Indians roaming on the edge of the western-based solar system that terrified the settlers. In the Movie they were changed into monsters from a grad C horror flick. (The movie was supposed to be based on Firefly, not Buffy the Vampier Slayer.)

2) The Combat:
a) Turning River into a totally unrealistic killing machine was just bad. The sharp shooting she did in one of the Firefly episode was one thing, having her becoming an unbeatable hand to hand killing machine moves the film out of science fiction and into the realms of Wutan magic Kung fu movies and Buffiy the vampire slayer shows.

b)Speaking of ridiculous mystical fighting techniques: The Alliance Operative's nerve hits that paralyze the victims and stiffen them like a board so he can make a speech before killing them -- how cheesy and unrealistic can you get? Totally impossible magical attacks have no place in a science fiction setting (they were annoying enough on shows like Xena Warrior Princess).

3) The Killings
Killing off characters, especially when rapping up a series, has become a Joss Whedon trademark, and the character deaths in Serenity did not help drive the plot, but had a feeling of "look at me -- I'm Joss Whedon and I have the balls to kill main characters!"

There was also some history revisions and character modifications that I did not like, but it will only bother people who watched and enjoyed Firefly.

Firefly was one the best Science Fiction series ever done, and I really wish that its memory was not tarnished by the abomination of a movie called Serenity.

Humm, can you tell that I was somewhat disappointed by this movie...

I think getting on Joss for bad science or implausible fighting techniques sorta misses the point.

He's only doing "Sci Fi" insofar as it affords him the opportunity to tell his stories and shape his characters. Everything serves that, and if it means some things are a stretch, so be it, as long as it is emotionally telling.

River is a killing machine because it makes a cathartic contrast to her spaced out, hapless persona. She renders her mayhem with vague detachment, like she was listening to music in her head, which is a way of portraying her tragic nature-- she is no longer her own person, and doesn't fully understand what she has been made into, but once she goes she really is something of a machine.

Her scene with her brother, where she gets to thank him for looking out for her and then say "my turn" just before she lays to waste a room full of Reavers just worked, emotionally. It was satisfying, so I didn't worry about how "plausible" that might be.

Kinda the same deal with the paralyzing touch of death-- medically dubious, but very effective in portraying a certain kind of ruthlessness coupled with an unwholesome affection for style points. Whedon is very fond of the self-deluded bad guy with a flair for the dramatic ("Objects in Space" was the best episode of Firefly for its suave, insane antagonist, who bears more than a passing resemblance to the Alliance Operative in Sernity.

I agree that Whedon may be a little too enamored of killing off characters, but I think it's important to him to constantly insist that everything has consequences and costs, and that even victories are tempered with what it took to achieve them

However, acting like getting Buffy on it is a bad thing means you're a bad person and you must hang your head in shame.
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post #103 of 113
On the whole Whedon/Firefly thing, go back and watch Objects in Space with the commentary. Some of the most honest (and telling) comments that I've heard on any commentary.

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On the whole Whedon/Firefly thing, go back and watch Objects in Space with the commentary. Some of the most honest (and telling) comments that I've heard on any commentary.

Well.....alright, I'll give it a listen, but I'm telling you right now: if it turns out to be Joss admitting that materialism is a dead end, I'm going to be really pissed.
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I think getting on Joss for bad science or implausible fighting techniques sorta misses the point.

He's only doing "Sci Fi" insofar as it affords him the opportunity to tell his stories and shape his characters. Everything serves that, and if it means some things are a stretch, so be it, as long as it is emotionally telling.

River is a killing machine because it makes a cathartic contrast to her spaced out, hapless persona. She renders her mayhem with vague detachment, like she was listening to music in her head, which is a way of portraying her tragic nature-- she is no longer her own person, and doesn't fully understand what she has been made into, but once she goes she really is something of a machine.

You can have the persona switch without upping her combat abilities to superhero levels. Making her as deadly as Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon would have done well to show the change. Making her into The Terminator was just Josh indulging in his female teenage superhero fetish.

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Her scene with her brother, where she gets to thank him for looking out for her and then say "my turn" just before she lays to waste a room full of Reavers just worked, emotionally. It was satisfying, so I didn't worry about how "plausible" that might be.

But it would have been much more satisfying if she has not be upped to the impossible superpowers (the implausibility detracted from an otherwise emotional and very touching moment).


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Kinda the same deal with the paralyzing touch of death-- medically dubious, but very effective in portraying a certain kind of ruthlessness coupled with an unwholesome affection for style points. Whedon is very fond of the self-deluded bad guy with a flair for the dramatic ("Objects in Space" was the best episode of Firefly for its suave, insane antagonist, who bears more than a passing resemblance to the Alliance Operative in Sernity.

The paralyzing touch of death is just hack writing and I expect better from the likes of JW. "I want to have the main bad guy give a speech to show how really bad he is before he offs the guy. Humm, I know! I'll just give him the 'paralyzing touch of death' so I don't have to do any real writing." "Objects in Space" was 10 times better than Serenity (and it is not my favorite episode).


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I agree that Whedon may be a little too enamored of killing off characters, but I think it's important to him to constantly insist that everything has consequences and costs, and that even victories are tempered with what it took to achieve them

However, acting like getting Buffy on it is a bad thing means you're a bad person and you must hang your head in shame.

Actually, I am a big fan of Buffy, and Angel for that matter, and I was sorry to see them go. Serenity is definitely Joss Whedon's weakest work, which surprised me since Firerfly was so damn good. I have a feeling that Tim Minear was a big influences on Firefly, and I think that Serenity would have been a much better movie with his collaboration, but we will never know.
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post #106 of 113
Now that I think about it, "Mars Attacks" was pretty bad. Fortunately I only saw it once and that was a long time ago. I don't think I could bear to watch it again.
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It is one solar system -- they don't have any faster then light technology.

They say "found and populated a new galaxy" in the series intro bit.
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Well.....alright, I'll give it a listen, but I'm telling you right now: if it turns out to be Joss admitting that materialism is a dead end, I'm going to be really pissed.

You're safe -- he admits that Sartre's Nausea was the most influential book in his life.

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I just watched that over the holiday. Man. It was far, far worse than I ever imagined it would be.

Yah but the alien machines were pretty bad ass when they popped up from the ground and vaporized people. Of course, the plot was a total sieve, and the family angst dialog alone ruined it completely for most people. Maybe if Zenu the Second hadn't been the main character, it would've worked better.

Minus said dialog it at least would've been bearable for most people. Personally I would've liked to see more destruction and mayhem.


But that's not the one I want scrubbed from my cranial region. No, that distinction belongs to Random Hearts. The biggest POS Harrison Ford ever took part in. That movie was torture.
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They say "found and populated a new galaxy" in the series intro bit.

Ahh! but they reference a new solar system in the movie intro. (I just watched it again yesterday)
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They say "found and populated a new galaxy" in the series intro bit.

Joss Whedon has written that it is a huge single solar system that has dozens of planets and hundreds of moons. He has also stated that it took humans a long time to get there and that generations were born and died on the colony ships before ever reaching their destination.

It is an interesting setting, and it more grounded in real world science than most sf tv shows: as far as we know FTL is not possible and firefly avoids that nicely. On the other hand, it makes a few episodes somewhat problematic.
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You can have the persona switch without upping her combat abilities to superhero levels. Making her as deadly as Mel Gibson in Lethal Weapon would have done well to show the change. Making her into The Terminator was just Josh indulging in his female teenage superhero fetish.

Quite possibly. I personally dig the female teenage superhero fetish (although let's bear in mind that it's a massively fucked up female teenage superhero fetish, which gives it a certain charm).

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But it would have been much more satisfying if she has not be upped to the impossible superpowers (the implausibility detracted from an otherwise emotional and very touching moment).

Again, maybe, but then Joss has never been one to shy away from going nuts with his female teenage superheroes, ala "dark Willow" on Buffy or Fred's transformation into evil goddess on "Angel".

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The paralyzing touch of death is just hack writing and I expect better from the likes of JW. "I want to have the main bad guy give a speech to show how really bad he is before he offs the guy. Humm, I know! I'll just give him the 'paralyzing touch of death' so I don't have to do any real writing." "Objects in Space" was 10 times better than Serenity (and it is not my favorite episode).

But Joss's bad guys always indicate their nefariousness through ghastly doings. The idea of being held powerless, knowing you are about to die slowly, while having to listen to some asshole make a self mythologizing speech strikes me as fairly nefarious. Different strokes, I reckon.

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Actually, I am a big fan of Buffy, and Angel for that matter, and I was sorry to see them go. Serenity is definitely Joss Whedon's weakest work, which surprised me since Firerfly was so damn good. I have a feeling that Tim Minear was a big influences on Firefly, and I think that Serenity would have been a much better movie with his collaboration, but we will never know.

There may be something to that, but a think a larger problem is that Whedon was obliged to shoe-horn his customary long narrative evolution into a two hour movie. Almost certainly some of what is in Firefly was originally conceived as the pay-off for two or three years of hints, asides, baffling events and portentous developments.

Which is why I hope he returns to television (if it will have him)-- working up a slowing evolving mythology that deepens and gains resonance as it accumulates bruising detail is clearly what the guy was born for.

I wonder if he could ever make a deal with HBO? Would something Buffy like with cursing and sex make any sense, or is part of the charm the way he works within fairly conventional forms?
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Which is why I hope he returns to television (if it will have him)-- working up a slowing evolving mythology that deepens and gains resonance as it accumulates bruising detail is clearly what the guy was born for.

and have it all culminate in...

Serenity II - The Wrath of Mrs. Reynolds

When you're lovers in a dangerous time,
You're made to feel as if your love's a crime.
Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight.
Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight.

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