Originally posted by Louzer
That's fine. But why did they lose the toolbar? They could've kept both.
I can see that detail is a pet peeve of yours
Understood. I have some of my own!
But that detail doesn't mean you shouldn't want Apple to make other changes. Some of them you WILL like
And you certainly shouldn't want Apple not to re-work the Finder. It truly needs that. Rather, you should want them to re-work it in a GOOD way. Despite the loss of that toolbar you liked in Prefs, Apple does do MANY good things with software.
Well, I guess my concept of bloat is different then yours. In my eyes, bloat is what you get when you add more functionality to an existing product. It gets larger and larger. Plus, the fact that you're adding more or less implies you're not rewriting what's there.
Agreed. That's why they SHOULD re-write what's there. (And software will always gain features and get bigger over time. It's not ALWAYS wrong to add functionality--and people who don't want it can stick with the old version.)
I doubt they'd keep the same finder interface and say "Hey, let's just rework all the underpinnings!", because someone's going to say "What? You want to rewrite a bunch of code so what you get is what we already have?".
Well, yes--that is done all the time. Something works well on the surface but is buggy underneath, so you re-write it. Sometimes that becomes necessary, and the Finder is old enough to have reached that stage. The result is something that is "the same" in some ways. And improved in others.
The re-done Finder won't be identical, but I'm sure it won't throw out everything that's familiar either. Some things work great about the Finder and will still be with us. How different will the next Finder be? We don't know. On the surface it may be very similar, just more stable. With nicely-integrated new features added that you can use or not as you see fit. Or it may be time for a bigger change. Like when Column View (which I love) arrived from NeXT.
And even if they kept the old Finder like you want, it wouldn't stay identical. It's not perfect, and will evolve. No matter what. Change will come. New features will come. So, they may as well simplify and optimize it by going Cocoa in the process.
Rewriting also doesn't make it more consistent (and more consistent with what?). Its more likely that it would be less consistent (hell, the rewrote mail and now its less consistent then the other OS X apps then before).
I agree here too. We're into MY pet peeves now
I like having "document-centric" apps be white, and "self-contained" apps be metal (a pattern Apple has begun moving toward). But I do NOT like having 4 different kinds of metal, and 4 different kinds of toolbar. Tiger Mail is a good example. It's great in some ways, but what's with the unique button style never seen anywhere else?
Rewriting does NOT mean more UI consistency.
The reason I believe more UI consistency is coming is because of the res-independent UI. See above. Apple is re-drawing ALL the UI graphics, by necessity. That's a chance to make them consistent, and failing to do so only multiplies their work.
The variety of different themes they have tried bewilders me, but I believe they will pick from among them and settle on a single direction (or two--I'm OK with that). iTunes 5 is probably a hint of things to come.
Oh, and while re-writing might get rid of bloat or beachballs from existing non-optimized code, it also then leads to, get this, more bugs, not less. Because the code would have to be retested from the ground up, not where the finder is now.
By that logic, all old software should always be kept and never re-worked, "just in case" they do an incompetent job with the new version. But there WILL always be new software. You don't have to buy it, but software WILL continue to be written. And yes, it will need testing, and nothing will ever be 100% bug-free.
I used to keep highly used system preferences up there (network, .mac, user, windowshade, etc) for easy access. Now its always a game of "Find the icon". Sorry, I guess I just never got in the habit of typing in 4 characters to find something that should be a click away.
There's your pet peeve again
You don't have to type 4 characters, but you do have to click twice now (or use the menu) to get to one pane from another. I don't mind, but I can appreciate that you liked the old way. Nothing wrong with that.
I may have good news: I think you can still run the OLD style prefs toolbar in Tiger if you wish. Search online--I'm pretty sure there's a hack that does just what you want.
Just don't assume, because ONE change Apple made wasn't ideal for your habits, that ALL future changes by Apple will be mistakes. I expect that 10.5 will actually bring some good things.