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Apple Computer is shopping for software developers that can help it build "new complex" iPod applications for the Windows operating system, according to recent company job posting.

New iPod applications?

"The iPod Application team is looking for an engineer to create and develop complex desktop application software and the Windows system building blocks for iPod," Apple said. "This is a unique opportunity to join a small, smart, coveted, successful team and work in a fast paced environment."

Job responsibilities include "implementing new features in existing applications as well as developing new complex applications, as well as libraries to install and maintain software updates on iPod."

Ideal candidates should have "5 plus years of experience" and "excellent C++ coding skills on a Windows platform," Apple said. "You will interact with many different teams and individuals, including marketing, user interface design, QA, customer support, and other engineering groups."

Historically, Apple has not released applications for the Windows operating system without making the same software available on its own Mac OS X, suggesting new iPod applications are also on their way to Mac user.

Front Row to grow

In related news, Apple's Platform Experience Department is looking to enhance the company's new Front Row multi-media software to support new media types.

"Would you like to create software for a centerpiece in Apple's digital hub?," Apple asked in a second job posting. Responsibilities for the position include working "cross-functionally with other teams to integrate various types of media" and coding "highly graphical, animated interfaces."
post #2 of 36
This is good that they're doing these.

That job should get a lot of applicants. It's rare that a programmer gets a chance to deal with such diverse departments. This is exactly the type of job most guys I know would jump at.

Most programmers work at code maintenance, a dreary occupation that doesn't expose them to much of interest.
post #3 of 36
They could start with the dreary task of getting the bugs out iTunes.

Starting with the short name bug where it only produces 32 character names in Explorer.
post #4 of 36
I'd like an "Install iPodlinux" button in the iPod firmware updater!
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Originally posted by fuyutsuki
I'd like an "Install iPodlinux" button in the iPod firmware updater!

I think that iTunes should support Linux - although this could be detrimental.
post #6 of 36
Umm, not to burst anyone's bubble, but I think this software already exists, it's called iTunes. I don't see how this hints at new Software other than maybe iTunes 7, unless they rename it, which could happen since it now serves video. Can somebody please explain how this hints at new software?
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
I think that iTunes should support Linux - although this could be detrimental.

detrimental how? for whom?
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Originally posted by tdamon
detrimental how? for whom?

For Linux. Everyone would realize that KTunes and KAmp don't cut it, drop Linux, and adopt OS X.
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post #9 of 36
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Originally posted by m01ety
For Linux. Everyone would realize that KTunes and KAmp don't cut it, drop Linux, and adopt OS X.

Actually, it's the other way around.

Linux users want iTunes. I think that they may have it running on one or more distro's, though I don't know how well.

If it were available on Linux, it would give them less incentive to come to the Mac.

Remember, these people want Linux, but they also want some of the things everyone else has.
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
...this could be detrimental.


I agree. Microsoft, in my opinion, has declared somewhat of a war on Linux and I doubt Apple would side against Microsoft. There could be a possible backlash of no more MS Office for Mac, and that would be a death knell for the platform.

Plus, how far into free and open source do you think Apple would venture? There's not as much money to be made (if any at all, except for song sales).

I personally think this new job announcement means that Apple is starting to evolve the iPod with more and more PDA-like functionality. It's the next logical progression. And no PDA on the market that I am aware of has a 60GB hard drive. It would be yet another reason to own an iPod.


James
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Originally posted by JamesG
I agree. Microsoft, in my opinion, has declared somewhat of a war on Linux and I doubt Apple would side against Microsoft. There could be a possible backlash of no more MS Office for Mac, and that would be a death knell for the platform.

Plus, how far into free and open source do you think Apple would venture? There's not as much money to be made (if any at all, except for song sales).

I personally think this new job announcement means that Apple is starting to evolve the iPod with more and more PDA-like functionality. It's the next logical progression. And no PDA on the market that I am aware of has a 60GB hard drive. It would be yet another reason to own an iPod.


James

I believe that Apple has thought along these lines since the beginning.

It's a matter of technology catching up with the ideas they have.

I also think that the 5G would make a good game machine. The scrollwheel does a good job as a controller. The cpu is decoding H.264 and MPEG 4, so it's powerful enough, and the screen is big enough, with enough colors.

Some say don't do it, but I say why not? All it needs is to put these under the "games" category. It wouldn't add any complexity to any other usage.

The menu allows the machine to serve different masters without making it more difficult to use.
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Some say don't do it, but I say why not? All it needs is to put these under the "games" category. It wouldn't add any complexity to any other usage.

The menu allows the machine to serve different masters without making it more difficult to use. [/B]


Exactly. The iPod does video now and it doesn't interfere with those people who just want to use it for music. A "Games" category with some decent games (gasp), in addition to some more advanced PDA functions, would simply mean that the device would appear to a broader market. There's no reason NOT to do this, other than out of sheer laziness and inability to understand the potential impact that a true "all-in-one" device could have.

I can see a "Zork" style game being popular on the current incarnation of the iPod, where specific choices cause a different movie segment to load.
post #13 of 36
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Originally posted by JamesG
Exactly. The iPod does video now and it doesn't interfere with those people who just want to use it for music. A "Games" category with some decent games (gasp), in addition to some more advanced PDA functions, would simply mean that the device would appear to a broader market. There's no reason NOT to do this, other than out of sheer laziness and inability to understand the potential impact that a true "all-in-one" device could have.

I can see a "Zork" style game being popular on the current incarnation of the iPod, where specific choices cause a different movie segment to load.

The only detriment to this that I see is that Apple would sell a few million more each quarter, making it less likely that you could actually GET one.
post #14 of 36
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Originally posted by tdamon
detrimental how? for whom?

...for Apple. Linux is a competitor to OS X,
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This could just mean that together with moving to the ix86 platform, Apple ultimately intends to phase out Mac OS X in favour of Windows. This would cut their support costs, but obviously it does mean they have to go into overdrive porting their existing apps to the Windows platform.

I'M KIDDING. I'm just kidding.

BTW, GNU/Linux isn't really a competitor as far as Apple is likely to be concerned. Right now, they sell hardware. They get a little bit of money from people upgrading to the latest OS X, but I seriously doubt they'd care if everyone buying PowerMacs ran GNU/Linux on them.

If they did, they wouldn't be so paranoid about the notion that people might, in the future, buy OS X to run on whitebox Intel PCs. OS X is supposed to sell the hardware, not the other way around.
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Originally posted by peharri
I'M KIDDING. I'm just kidding.

You didn't need to add this!

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Originally posted by peharri
BTW, GNU/Linux isn't really a competitor as far as Apple is likely to be concerned. Right now, they sell hardware. They get a little bit of money from people upgrading to the latest OS X, but I seriously doubt they'd care if everyone buying PowerMacs ran GNU/Linux on them.

If they did, they wouldn't be so paranoid about the notion that people might, in the future, buy OS X to run on whitebox Intel PCs. OS X is supposed to sell the hardware, not the other way around.

I think people who don't like Windows would consider buying a custom made and using Linux - iTunes may help them with their decision. It's pretty unlikely though.
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Originally posted by peharri
This could just mean that together with moving to the ix86 platform, Apple ultimately intends to phase out Mac OS X in favour of Windows. This would cut their support costs, but obviously it does mean they have to go into overdrive porting their existing apps to the Windows platform.

I'M KIDDING. I'm just kidding.

BTW, GNU/Linux isn't really a competitor as far as Apple is likely to be concerned. Right now, they sell hardware. They get a little bit of money from people upgrading to the latest OS X, but I seriously doubt they'd care if everyone buying PowerMacs ran GNU/Linux on them.

If they did, they wouldn't be so paranoid about the notion that people might, in the future, buy OS X to run on whitebox Intel PCs. OS X is supposed to sell the hardware, not the other way around.

Apple themselves just acknowledged that Linux was a competitor that they had to be aware of. So, let's not discount that. It isn't MS that Apple has to worry about as much these days.

If Apple comes out with cheaper machines this coming year, with the switch, it would make it easier for Linux people to move over, because price is their major consideration, other than just liking Linux.
post #18 of 36
These two job announcements are the best news since, well the Mac Mini!

This means serious competition and the iPod team is being given their head to innovate.

I think together it means the iPod and iBox (or whatever the media center becomes) will continue to be "cross platform" and create that bridge for content providers and 3rd parties to develop products for ONE platform that plays nice with both PC's and Macs.

Apple will try to own the middle ware that adapts content and 3rd parties to a great experience and cool design that is relatively platform agnostic. The need for deciding on PC vs. Mac becomes less important.

Ah, you may say this is bad for the Mac, then. Au contrair(?). It means except for games, the vast unwashed masses will see the PC and Mac as relative equals and slowly evolve to the Mac. In the OS wars there will be no revolution, only evolution and the Mac has the best DNA.
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post #19 of 36
I hope updates to Front Row will improve QuickTime out-of-the-box, to handle divx, xvid etc of all varieties
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Originally posted by starwxrwx
I hope updates to Front Row will improve QuickTime out-of-the-box, to handle divx, xvid etc of all varieties

Not gonna happen.
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Originally posted by melgross


Remember, these people want Linux, but they also want some of the things everyone else has.

Yeah, its the "We want the free software and all that, but we also want all the good software, too, that we can't get on Linux. Well, we can get software that kinda is like it, but most software is written and designed by programmers for linux folks, so they have clunky interfaces and lots of extra 'features' and abilities, because we love being able to tweak every little thing, even if it makes it unintuitive and hard to use."
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Originally posted by starwxrwx
I hope updates to Front Row will improve QuickTime out-of-the-box, to handle divx, xvid etc of all varieties

I use VLC for all my videos... much better
post #23 of 36
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Originally posted by melgross
I believe that Apple has thought along these lines since the beginning.

It's a matter of technology catching up with the ideas they have.

I also think that the 5G would make a good game machine. The scrollwheel does a good job as a controller. The cpu is decoding H.264 and MPEG 4, so it's powerful enough, and the screen is big enough, with enough colors.

Some say don't do it, but I say why not? All it needs is to put these under the "games" category. It wouldn't add any complexity to any other usage.

The menu allows the machine to serve different masters without making it more difficult to use.

That's a good idea they could also sell simple nes and super nes style game on itunes for like a dollar each, I'd love to play some tetris or bejewled on my ipod using the clickwheels 4 directional buttons to control the game. Come in handly when I'm out and waiting for someone or on a subway or something.

Now if I could play WHILE listing to music that be incredible. I don't need high tech games just simple time wasting ones.
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post #24 of 36
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Originally posted by MacCrazy
...for Apple. Linux is a competitor to OS X,

I would think that providing iTunes for linux would simply increase appreciation for Apple.


Anyone wishing to try or to use linux will do so. I think it is a good thing to have relation with the open source/linux culture. Yes, it provides competition for Apple, but a lot of unix/linux people are positively minded toward the Mac.
post #25 of 36
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Originally posted by MacGregor
These two job announcements are the best news since, well the Mac Mini!

This means serious competition and the iPod team is being given their head to innovate.

I think together it means the iPod and iBox (or whatever the media center becomes) will continue to be "cross platform" and create that bridge for content providers and 3rd parties to develop products for ONE platform that plays nice with both PC's and Macs.

Apple will try to own the middle ware that adapts content and 3rd parties to a great experience and cool design that is relatively platform agnostic. The need for deciding on PC vs. Mac becomes less important.

Ah, you may say this is bad for the Mac, then. Au contrair(?). It means except for games, the vast unwashed masses will see the PC and Mac as relative equals and slowly evolve to the Mac. In the OS wars there will be no revolution, only evolution and the Mac has the best DNA.

I think this is good for Apple. It's just the question about Linux that's a possible problem.
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Originally posted by Chucker
Not gonna happen.

You're probably right. But I keep seeing rumors that Apple will be doing just that. If Apple thinks of it as just another codec to support in Pro, it might happen. It might give more people the excuse to pay Apple the 30 bucks. So, who knows?
post #27 of 36
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"The iPod Application team is looking for an engineer to create and develop complex desktop application software and the Windows system building blocks for iPod," Apple said. "This is a unique opportunity to join a small, smart, coveted, successful team and work in a fast paced environment."

Job responsibilities include "implementing new features in existing applications as well as developing new complex applications, as well as libraries to install and maintain software updates on iPod."

Is it me or are those "new complex applications" not applications running on an iPod (games and PDA functionality as some suggest), but rather *new iPod related PC apps*?
post #28 of 36
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Originally posted by NordicMan
I would think that providing iTunes for linux would simply increase appreciation for Apple.


Anyone wishing to try or to use linux will do so. I think it is a good thing to have relation with the open source/linux culture. Yes, it provides competition for Apple, but a lot of unix/linux people are positively minded toward the Mac.

It would, but how would that help Apple? It could help to expand Linux's reach because that would one less reason for someone to get OS X rather than Linux.

Remember that these people have a different philosophy than either PC or Mac users. We are used to paying (I hope) for software, except for freeware and those who won't cough up for shareware.

But Linux users are not. The idea of "free" is a major factor in their using it in the first place, other than the geek bragging rights. I've been told that Mac's are too expensive (yeah, even the Mini, which has no slots). You have to pay for a new version of the OS every 12 to 18 months, etc.

Some have moved over, and just use terminal, but then they also use X11 for the free software. Apple needs people to buy their own, and third party software to keep the ecology healthy.
post #29 of 36
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Originally posted by Doxxic
Is it me or are those "new complex applications" not applications running on an iPod (games and PDA functionality as some suggest), but rather *new iPod related PC apps*?

What would "new iPod related PC apps" mean, other than apps for use with an iPod?
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Originally posted by melgross
What would "new iPod related PC apps" mean, other than apps for use with an iPod?

I think what he was originally saying was that the apps in development are PC apps, running on Windows. And I think he was stating this because of some of the other chatter which seemed to imply all these wonderful new games and PDA functions being added to the ipod itself.

So, basically, we're talking new windows apps (like maybe a new app to do photo updates through, rather than the stupidity of uploading photos with itunes, the music app. And the same with contacts. And maybe they're want to work on one of those fancy new "check-in at the airport with the ipod" kind of apps!
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fancy new "check-in at the airport with the ipod" kind of apps!

post #32 of 36
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Originally posted by Louzer
I think what he was originally saying was that the apps in development are PC apps, running on Windows. And I think he was stating this because of some of the other chatter which seemed to imply all these wonderful new games and PDA functions being added to the ipod itself.

So, basically, we're talking new windows apps (like maybe a new app to do photo updates through, rather than the stupidity of uploading photos with itunes, the music app. And the same with contacts. And maybe they're want to work on one of those fancy new "check-in at the airport with the ipod" kind of apps!

It's possible. But the article did say that this was a call for someone to work on Windows iPod division essentially.

"The iPod Application team is looking for an engineer to create and develop complex desktop application software and the Windows system building blocks for iPod,"

Which I said to work "with" the iPod.
post #33 of 36
I think it means they are developing new apps to run on iPods and interface with the pc, but they need windows engineers 'cause they already got the Mac engineers.

About Linux, how would Apple's relationship with them change after the conversion to Intel?
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post #34 of 36
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Originally posted by melgross
You're probably right. But I keep seeing rumors that Apple will be doing just that. If Apple thinks of it as just another codec to support in Pro, it might happen. It might give more people the excuse to pay Apple the 30 bucks. So, who knows?

DivX (4.0 and newer) and XviD are standard MPEG-4. They work in QuickTime just fine through QuickTime's MPEG-4 codec.

IF, that is, the file uses a standard CONTAINER. I.e., not AVI.

There's far too many idiots that encode in DivX or XviD, then use AVI and some random fourcc to encapsulate.
post #35 of 36
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Originally posted by MacGregor
I think it means they are developing new apps to run on iPods and interface with the pc, but they need windows engineers 'cause they already got the Mac engineers.

About Linux, how would Apple's relationship with them change after the conversion to Intel?

Instead of a couple of Distro's like Yellow Dog, there will be hundreds (yup, there are that many) that can install on the machine. Assuming that dual booting is possible, it will be easy. Far more Linux software will be available because it won't have to be converted from x86 to PPC.
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Originally posted by Chucker

There's far too many idiots that encode in DivX or XviD, then use AVI and some random fourcc to encapsulate. [/B]

Yeah, I get the shivers every time I see that.
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