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Unlike the ROKR E1 music phone, Motorola will not include Apple Computer's iTunes software on its forthcoming ROKR E2 handset and instead will use the phone to promote its own proprietary subscription-based music service, according to the New York Times.

The world's second largest cell-phone maker on Tuesday announced the service, dubbed iRadio, which will go on sale this year. It will cost about $7 a month, but the price may vary depending on which wireless phone service the subscriber uses, the company said.

The iRadio service will feature 435 commercial-free radio channels, including genres such as Heavy Metal, Rockin' Cowboys and Angry Women, according to the Times. Users will be able to download channels on the computer and transfer them to play on their phones or on car or home stereos, like satellite radio.

Motorola said the iRadio service will first run on the ROKR E2 handset, which, unlike the first ROKR phone, will not include Apple Computer popular iTunes music software.

Apple and Motorola introduced the original ROKR E1 music phone last September -- the same day Apple unveiled the iPod nano. Almost immediately the phone drew criticism from reviewers and buyers, who barked at its poor user interface, design and limited song capacity.

Many Apple watchers and analyst believe Apple may have deliberately withheld its hand in the design of the original ROKR because it has aspirations of making inroads into the cell phone market with its own handset. Analysts have dubbed the potential Apple cell phone project "iPhone" after the iPhone.org domain name which Apple appears to have registered.

The iPhone rumors received a further shot in the arm in late September when Motorola CEO Ed Zander, exhausted by questions about Apple's nano during a leadership conference, erupted by saying: "Screw the nano. What the hell does the nano do? Who listens to 1,000 songs?"

"We have the ROKR, and they have the nano. They are a competitor as well as a partner," Zander said. He was quick to add: "And we know that they are going to build a smart phone--it's only a matter of time."

Analysts believe an Apple-branded cell phone could emerge by the end of 2006, but details are few and far between.

"Apple hasnt confirmed its phone strategy (or even acknowledged that one exists), but at our recent meeting management did suggest a) handset makers will eventually get an MP3 offering right and b) Apples strategy is to be an innovation leader," said Rebecca Runkle, an analyst for Morgan Stanely, in a research note released last month.

In the same note, Runkle noted that consumers planned to buy more iPods than cell phones during this past holiday season.
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Hmmm...

iPod... meet video iPod.

Video iPod... meet iPhone.

iPhone... meet iWireless.

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post #3 of 33
Sour grapes for ol' Moto.

Of course E2 and iRadio will flop. It's way to little way to late. I was considering getting a Razor V3 w/ iTunes but no way now. Moto seems to be it's own worst enemy, again !
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I would have also liked a Razr with iTunes but now it looks like not. Oh well, as long as Apple comes out with something cool like the ROKR that'll still allow iTunes so that I don't have to carry around a expensive iPod in the shady part of town... and Cingular sells it... I guess I'll be happy. But still, frowns from me. \
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I have said it before and I will say it again: Motorola phones suck.

Okay, not all of their phones do, but in general I have found that to be true, and favoured Sony Ericsson and Nokia.
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None of these cool gadgets will help me until Apple makes one available to Verizon users. Oh well.
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I have said it before and I will say it again: Motorola phones suck.

Okay, not all of their phones do, but in general I have found that to be true, and favoured Sony Ericsson and Nokia.

Ummm...after a year of using my Sanyo, I must say the Motorola OS on my Razor is vastly superior. Teh only complaint I have is I cant have one contact entry with many phone numbers, other than that, it is perfect, wheres the downfall? what have I not seen?
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Ummm...after a year of using my Sanyo, I must say the Motorola OS on my Razor is vastly superior. Teh only complaint I have is I cant have one contact entry with many phone numbers, other than that, it is perfect, wheres the downfall? what have I not seen?

Compared to dinosaur of a phone like your older Sanyo, Moto's OS may be an improvement. But compared to more modern phone OS like Sony Ericsson or Nokia Series 60, Moto's OS is seriously lacking (in terms of usability, features, and cosmetic). Moto OS : Sony Ericsson OS = Windows 3.1 UI : Mac OS X.
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It will hopefully work out to Apple's advantage in that their name won't be associated with something that is low quality and worth almost no ones time.
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Ummm...after a year of using my Sanyo, I must say the Motorola OS on my Razor is vastly superior. Teh only complaint I have is I cant have one contact entry with many phone numbers, other than that, it is perfect, wheres the downfall? what have I not seen?

A no-name, antique oddball Asian phone even worse than a Motorola phone? Get outta here, who could have known! Wow!
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What is Motorola thinking? Do they think they will succeed with this business plan? Do they have a projection on how many E2 they will sell? Out of those sales, how many will subscribe to iRadio? Have they look at the numbers at XM/Sirius?

I can see the iPhone a lot sooner than analysts say...
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I can see the iPhone a lot sooner than analysts say...

This month at a certain shindig in SF, perhaps?

Or would that conflict too much with the anticipated Intel-based offerings?

And while I think about it, what are the odds that the new Intel-based machines have the word 'Leap' in the name?
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Sound to me like Ed Zander got angry (again ) and blew his top when Steve Jobs screwed him by making the Nano so much better than the Rockr. Zander now (in a rage ) gets rid of the only feature that made the original Rockr worth having in the first place and thereby reduces Motorola's chance of selling phones to zero.

Interesting though that so much points to Apple testing the water in the phone space: the iTunes UI on the Rockr and the recent Safari browser on Nokia Series 60. Everything is indeed pointing to them releasing an "iPhone".

I can't wait.
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I would make a bet that apple has a finished iPhone already in the drawers and is currently negotiating with some asian manufacturer (HTC?) the launch. As mobile phones become more and more a commodity and the killer apps for next generation phones aren't there yet. Why not build just a good looking "normal" GSM phone with complete iTunes support. I would guess you can build/sell such a phone for 300$ with around 1 GB of Flash and all the must have phone features (complete iSync-Integration, .mac-Wireless access, itunes Synchronisation, Text-Messages, Photo-Camera, bluetooth for sync and (!) iRemote your FrontRow).
a wireless itunes access would be sweet, but unless Data-Transfer-Speeds increase and Data-Transfer-Prices fall, no chance and (!) no need in my opinion. Together with a 2-year subscription the iphone could even be sold for under 100$ at least in Europe where handsets are still subsidized heavily.
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One again the arrogance of Apple computer shines through here. Apple believes it can take on the mobile phone companies who dominate everything. If they piss off motorola, then motorola can go to the other companies and say "look Apple is going to try to attack us all.." and then gang up by getting all the carries on board with iradio, which would be bad for Apple. The carriers REALLY do have the ability to completely lock Apple out of the phone business, and Apple has no respect for that.
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Teh only complaint I have is I cant have one contact entry with many phone numbers

Actually, you can. In the Phone Book menu, go to Setup and set View to Primary Contacts, and then it will list one contact per person, even if that person has multiple phone numbers.
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Compared to dinosaur of a phone like your older Sanyo, Moto's OS may be an improvement. But compared to more modern phone OS like Sony Ericsson or Nokia Series 60, Moto's OS is seriously lacking (in terms of usability, features, and cosmetic). Moto OS : Sony Ericsson OS = Windows 3.1 UI : Mac OS X.

I can imagine Apple doing something even better. Imagine Steve on stage. He pulls out an iPod nano. But this is no ordinary nano. It's a full-fledged cell phone. The click-wheel, which is still better than any button-based MP3 player UI, now controls a phone as well. No more click-click-clicking to go through your phone book. Menu navigation becomes much less cumbersome. Just scroll through them with a finger slide, same as going through playlists. On the off chance you need to dial a number not in your contacts, the click-wheel acts almost like an old phone dial. Spin forward or back to a numeral and click. Repeat until done and press Send. Ditto with alphabetical characters. No more having to press a key three times just to enter an "S." Steve notes that one earbud is slightly longer because it has a mini microphone boom like a Jabra.

All of a sudden, the button clutter on every other phone on the market looks archaic.
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Why the hell is it iPhone.org? Shouldn't it be .com
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I have said it before and I will say it again: Motorola phones suck.

Okay, not all of their phones do, but in general I have found that to be true, and favoured Sony Ericsson and Nokia.

A-Goddamn-men!
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I can imagine Apple doing something even better. Imagine Steve on stage. He pulls out an iPod nano. But this is no ordinary nano. It's a full-fledged cell phone. The click-wheel, which is still better than any button-based MP3 player UI, now controls a phone as well. No more click-click-clicking to go through your phone book. Menu navigation becomes much less cumbersome. Just scroll through them with a finger slide, same as going through playlists. On the off chance you need to dial a number not in your contacts, the click-wheel acts almost like an old phone dial. Spin forward or back to a numeral and click. Repeat until done and press Send. Ditto with alphabetical characters. No more having to press a key three times just to enter an "S." Steve notes that one earbud is slightly longer because it has a mini microphone boom like a Jabra.

All of a sudden, the button clutter on every other phone on the market looks archaic.

That would be the worst, ugliest, hardest to use phone ever. Sometimes it takes me a while to choose a song on an ipod because of all the spinning. And now you want to do that to select each number and letter? Do you know how long a text message would take me? No thank you!

Phones do not have to be so damn tiny. All we need is a nice, stylish flip phone that screams apple that would go along with a mini, powerbook, etc that has all modern cell phone features (records videos, text msg, basic games, etc) that also uses itunes and is flash based with 2 gigs of music storage and maybe 1 gig of regular memory for videos, datebook, contacts etc.

That would stomp the market. Put a 2 gig ipod nano into a phone, not a phone in a nano. Candy bar phones are crap and too delicate (something apple already has a problem with).

Unfortunately motorola already has the ideal basic design in the razr.

Imagine a brushed metal razr replace the "M" with a white apple and give that baby 2gigs of flash music storage. And you can make that small circle navigation inside the phone a small click wheel that way you can choose to use it as a 4 way style button with a middle part for "enter" or a regular ol' ipod click wheel via a change in the settings menu (obviously the default setting would be to act a click wheel). That would cater to all users I think.
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That would be the worst, ugliest, hardest to use phone ever.

Really? My impression is that most people consider iPods sleek and beautiful. So how can something that looks just like an iPod be the ugliest ever? Especially since I've seen some of the ugliest phones ever. 1984 Motorola DynaTAC "brick," anyone?

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Sometimes it takes me a while to choose a song on an ipod because of all the spinning.

And how many songs do you actually have on the iPod? A couple of thousand? Do you have that many contacts in your phone? Besides, Apple being Apple, I fully expect they would use iTunes and iPhoto-like folders to give contacts organization. Seems to me your big problem is you don't organize your songs by playlist.

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And now you want to do that to select each number and letter?

Only for putting new entries into the phone and dialing new numbers. How often do you do that? The former shouldn't be done from a keypad anyway. It should be synced from your Mac.

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Do you know how long a text message would take me? No thank you!

Are you absolutely certain it would take that much longer than tapping it out with one thumb on a keypad? You're forgetting there are only 26 letters, 10 numbers and only a couple of other symbols. It'd be lot easier to cycle through those than through hundreds of songs, especially if there's an on-screen keyboard display like quadriplegics use. Pushing buttons repeatedly and looking back and forth to the screen to make sure you've pressed the buttons enough times isn't exactly an optimal data entry process itself. At least with the iPod interface, you'd never have to look at the click-wheel. Not that most people care that much about texting anyway.
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Really? My impression is that most people consider iPods sleek and beautiful. So how can something that looks just like an iPod be the ugliest ever? Especially since I've seen some of the ugliest phones ever. 1984 Motorola DynaTAC "brick," anyone?

Yes the ipod looks nice. Now pick it up and speak into it. That's the difference between a phone and an ipod. Besides I bet you that jack and jill user will find that that pretty intimidating to use people like firmilar objects.

Also, how can you compare a 22 year-old phone to today's technology?


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And how many songs do you actually have on the iPod? A couple of thousand? Do you have that many contacts in your phone? Besides, Apple being Apple, I fully expect they would use iTunes and iPhoto-like folders to give contacts organization. Seems to me your big problem is you don't organize your songs by playlist.

Yes I do, I have TONS of playlists. But the problem is I don't always want to play an entire list sometimes I want a song from 1 list and then after one from another and so on, so yes that ends up making it take time.


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Only for putting new entries into the phone and dialing new numbers. How often do you do that? The former shouldn't be done from a keypad anyway. It should be synced from your Mac.

I meet all kinds of new people in my day to day life and sometimes need to quickly exchange numbers right then and there because we don't have much time. And I know this happens to other people as well.


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Are you absolutely certain it would take that much longer than tapping it out with one thumb on a keypad? You're forgetting there are only 26 letters, 10 numbers and only a couple of other symbols. It'd be lot easier to cycle through those than through hundreds of songs, especially if there's an on-screen keyboard display like quadriplegics use. Pushing buttons repeatedly and looking back and forth to the screen to make sure you've pressed the buttons enough times isn't exactly an optimal data entry process itself. At least with the iPod interface, you'd never have to look at the click-wheel. Not that most people care that much about texting anyway.

On my sony ericsson it takes me seconds to use the keypad, I'm not sure what company's phone you're using but the sony ericsson way of doing it is extremely easy and quick.

Also, texting is an important feature that many people use, which is why it's standard on any cell phone these days. Video recording and cameras are not, text and phone are. Especially with the current generation. All the time I see people texting each other, in all kinds of places. Text messaging is a big deal.

Another problem with the ipod and especially in small lists(like your alpha and number rows) is over shooting. Alot of people while trying to be quick actually slow themselves down because when you move your finger faster while not percisely looking you'll go further than you needed to scroll and then have to scroll back, and sometimes you go back 1 too many, it gets frustrating, I've seen quite a few people do it. I can see this happening with a numbers and letters especially.

Also I think it's funny that you only commented on 1/3 of my post. What about my solution to what I considered the problems? It's pretty unfair to hate on my opinion and not pay attention to my solution, which may be way better than the orignal idea that I didn't like. Looks like you don't want to consider the fact that my idea might be a bit better than yours.
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One again the arrogance of Apple computer shines through here. Apple believes it can take on the mobile phone companies who dominate everything. If they piss off motorola, then motorola can go to the other companies and say "look Apple is going to try to attack us all.." and then gang up by getting all the carries on board with iradio, which would be bad for Apple. The carriers REALLY do have the ability to completely lock Apple out of the phone business, and Apple has no respect for that.

I imagine the other phone companies would look at Zander somewhat quizzically and say...

"You're an ass Zander, your phones are a joke, your technology too old and you let Apple walk all over you last time."

Then Nokia would get back to implementing Apple's WebKit browser technology across the rest of their phones.
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I wish Apple would either make their own phone, or partner with LG...and make it available on Verizon.
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Yes the ipod looks nice. Now pick it up and speak into it. That's the difference between a phone and an ipod. Besides I bet you that jack and jill user will find that that pretty intimidating to use people like firmilar objects.

Also, how can you compare a 22 year-old phone to today's technology?

Hmm. Interesting. I guess "ugliest...phone ever" wouldn't include something from 1984. What an interesting definition of "ever."

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Yes I do, I have TONS of playlists. But the problem is I don't always want to play an entire list sometimes I want a song from 1 list and then after one from another and so on, so yes that ends up making it take time.

So you're saying it would be better if the iPod abandoned the clickwheel and included a keypad so you can just quickly tap in the first few letters of the song title. Quick, tell the mp3 player manufacturers your idea so they can come out with the iPod killer.

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I meet all kinds of new people in my day to day life and sometimes need to quickly exchange numbers right then and there because we don't have much time. And I know this happens to other people as well. On my sony ericsson it takes me seconds to use the keypad, I'm not sure what company's phone you're using but the sony ericsson way of doing it is extremely easy and quick.

I'm using a PDA phone that has Microsoft Windows Mobile. So opening my contacts, entering new info and organizing it is likely even easier than with your Sony.

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Also, texting is an important feature that many people use, which is why it's standard on any cell phone these days. Video recording and cameras are not, text and phone are. Especially with the current generation. All the time I see people texting each other, in all kinds of places. Text messaging is a big deal.

Just because a feature is standard doesn't mean it's because everybody wants it. It's standard because the cell carriers know they can make big bucks off yet another feature that they can charge for. Verizon charges 10¢ per message inbound or outbound with no allowances built into your calling plan. That can add up if they can make everybody use it, and they know the clueless kids will.

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Another problem with the ipod and especially in small lists(like your alpha and number rows) is over shooting. Alot of people while trying to be quick actually slow themselves down because when you move your finger faster while not percisely looking you'll go further than you needed to scroll and then have to scroll back, and sometimes you go back 1 too many, it gets frustrating, I've seen quite a few people do it. I can see this happening with a numbers and letters especially.

Which is where the clickwheel shines and why no other mp3 player has ever matched the iPod's ease of use. The fact is that it is easy to compensate for overshoot, assuming you're clumsy enough to let it happen in the first place. Most people who've ever been even half-decent with a video game won't have the problem.

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Also I think it's funny that you only commented on 1/3 of my post. What about my solution to what I considered the problems? It's pretty unfair to hate on my opinion and not pay attention to my solution, which may be way better than the orignal idea that I didn't like. Looks like you don't want to consider the fact that my idea might be a bit better than yours.

Or maybe I just didn't like it enough to even address it? You're not exactly using everything I wrote either. For instance, you mock me above with "speak into the iPod." Apparently you didn't notice that I wrote in my first post that the earbuds should include a microphone boom, which means you wouldn't have to do any such thing.
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Hmm. Interesting. I guess "ugliest...phone ever" wouldn't include something from 1984. What an interesting definition of "ever."

You know what I meant. You're just nit picking. If I called a pontiac sunfire the ugliest car ever would that be true? No obviously not, some old model-T or whatever would beat it but no one drives those just like how no one uses a cell phone from the 1980's. So fine if you must nit pick.

That would be the ugliest phone in today's market and most likely in current memory.


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So you're saying it would be better if the iPod abandoned the clickwheel and included a keypad so you can just quickly tap in the first few letters of the song title. Quick, tell the mp3 player manufacturers your idea so they can come out with the iPod killer.

When the hell did I say that or even imply it? I'm talking about using a god damn phone not an mp3 player.

The part you quoted didn't mention a friggin' keypad or that something was wrong with the ipod's design.

All did was respond to your comment about my lack of playlists. I said it takes a while to go between playlists from song to song. That's a fact. I don't have a problem with it, but I would have a problem with navigating that same way on a cell phone. Which is the whole point of my arguement.


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I'm using a PDA phone that has Microsoft Windows Mobile. So opening my contacts, entering new info and organizing it is likely even easier than with your Sony.

That would have a seperate keypad for typing which is nothing like the average cell phone so how are you even speaking on an experience you don't even go through? And you'd suggest that your keypad should be replaced with a click wheel?


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Just because a feature is standard doesn't mean it's because everybody wants it. It's standard because the cell carriers know they can make big bucks off yet another feature that they can charge for. Verizon charges 10¢ per message inbound or outbound with no allowances built into your calling plan. That can add up if they can make everybody use it, and they know the clueless kids will.

Hey guess what? If nobody wants it then nobody is using it, which means they would be wasting money implimenting a feature no one really wants. A service meets a demand, if there weren't people willing to text message time and money would not be wasted offering it. Obviously text messages are in big enough demand that cell phones and cell companies MUST provide it. Who cares what age group is using, how much it costs and why. They ARE using it. No companies MAKE people use it they WANT to and NEED to, which is why companies can charge what they please. It's dumb to think somehow cell phone companies force people to text message each other. Do cell phones only allow calling at certain times of the day and the rest of the day they can only text message? No. People text message when they want IF they want to. I don't know how your suggesting people are being forced into anything. If you don't want to spend your 10cents don't.

Also I love the biased example of Verizon. Because everyone opertates just like them right? I can recieve text messages for free. And send them for free to anyone on with my provider. Which just so happens to include my girlfriend, the only person I ever really need to text message anyways. If I need to text someone else maybe I'll spend the dime if it's worth it to me so what 10cents once or twice a month isn't a big deal. Also text messages can be bought in packages and bundles if you know you'll be sending that much, some plans can even give you unlimited text messages. The point is there are options.



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Which is where the clickwheel shines and why no other mp3 player has ever matched the iPod's ease of use. The fact is that it is easy to compensate for overshoot, assuming you're clumsy enough to let it happen in the first place. Most people who've ever been even half-decent with a video game won't have the problem.

It isn't about clumsiness it's about the software not moving as fast as you do, so when it stops it stops a bit too far. Plus it's called making a mistake, people do that.


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Or maybe I just didn't like it enough to even address it? You're not exactly using everything I wrote either. For instance, you mock me above with "speak into the iPod." Apparently you didn't notice that I wrote in my first post that the earbuds should include a microphone boom, which means you wouldn't have to do any such thing.

Any worthwhile phone also has to have the option to speak into the phone it's self. What if you loose your headpiece or forget it? What if it breaks? Every phone has to offer the ability to speak into it, if you can speak into a treo you'd better be able to speak into an iPhone. If not they should call it:

"iPod with phone headpiece"

And while you didn't like my idea I can almost guarantee you that's much closer to what the iphone will be like.
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One again the arrogance of Apple computer shines through here. Apple believes it can take on the mobile phone companies who dominate everything. If they piss off motorola, then motorola can go to the other companies and say "look Apple is going to try to attack us all.." and then gang up by getting all the carries on board with iradio, which would be bad for Apple. The carriers REALLY do have the ability to completely lock Apple out of the phone business, and Apple has no respect for that.

Yes, Apple needs carriers, unless it starts its own wireless business. That would be quite an undertaking. Can't see that hapening yet.

I hope Apple gets to dealing with Verizon. Here comes one user request to Verizon. The thing with these carriers is that they desire customers, and so if there were an Apple phone, I would think that there are carriers who would want it. When I ask about Blackberries for carriers around here, they are not deaf to such queries. We don't have to just accept what someone wants to force us to have.

Yes, Ecking, about Verizon you are right, they like to charge for text messages.
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Ummm...after a year of using my Sanyo, I must say the Motorola OS on my Razor is vastly superior. Teh only complaint I have is I cant have one contact entry with many phone numbers, other than that, it is perfect, wheres the downfall? what have I not seen?

I have a Sanyo SCP-4900 (I think) and it is an excellent phone. I never turn it off and it still lasts for over a week, though I don't talk on it much. It has taken a lot of abuse too. In terms of reception, it was the carrier's best phone. The phone was easily better than any of my family's Moto phones in terms of reliability and quality.
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Yes, Apple needs carriers, unless it starts its own wireless business. That would be quite an undertaking. Can't see that hapening yet.

Apple wouldn't need to be its own real carrier. My understanding is that it is possible to start a virtual carrier, I understand that Disney has a wireless service but without having to build an infrastructure.
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Originally posted by Kolchak
Are you absolutely certain it would take that much longer than tapping it out with one thumb on a keypad? You're forgetting there are only 26 letters, 10 numbers and only a couple of other symbols. It'd be lot easier to cycle through those than through hundreds of songs, especially if there's an on-screen keyboard display like quadriplegics use. Pushing buttons repeatedly and looking back and forth to the screen to make sure you've pressed the buttons enough times isn't exactly an optimal data entry process itself. At least with the iPod interface, you'd never have to look at the click-wheel. Not that most people care that much about texting anyway.

Yes they do. Texting is only just taking off in the states. It's massive in europe. Most phones now have predictive texting anyway, so you don't have to type each key 3 times to get a letter. The orginal reply to your post was very accurate and in line with usability.
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Originally posted by Kolchak Just because a feature is standard doesn't mean it's because everybody wants it. It's standard because the cell carriers know they can make big bucks off yet another feature that they can charge for. Verizon charges 10¢ per message inbound or outbound with no allowances built into your calling plan. That can add up if they can make everybody use it, and they know the clueless kids will.
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Here in the developed world though, ie. Europe, most plans come with hundreds and possibly thousands of free SMS messages and it costs nothing to receive them. Ad you can text people on other networks and even text to landlines. Most people use SMS daily, sometimes more than they actually use voice. An iPhone without good texting would be about as popular as a fart in an elevator.
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In Australia, texting costs 25 cents PER 160 characters. The telcos make hundreds of millions in profit every year.

But it's much cheaper than voice calls, which are on most telcos charged per 30 seconds (some are 1 second), etc. Different telcos = different offers and plans/bundles.

I'd love to see an 'iPhone' with good features (i.e. excellent UI- something Apple are extremely good at), and a simple design. Something snazzy, slim, and sexy. A clickwheel would be pretty nifty, if done right.
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