Originally posted by BRussell
Come on segovius. We know they're political because of their targets. We know Islamic extremism through their very public statements.
I simply don't believe those reports. They're inconsistent with everything else we know about him, and they're based on transient eyewitnesses. Much of the nonsense about 9/11 is based on transient eyewitnesses, like much of this Loose Change. If there's one thing we know about eyewitness reports, it's that they're frequently wrong. They're the single largest reason for false convictions, for example. So, after it was learned that some of the hijackers met in Vegas, some stripper says she lap danced for Atta while he was snorting coke. Sorry, but if that behavior is inconsistent with everything else we know about him (e.g., from this book Perfect Soldiers, which talks to people who knew him well and over a long period of time) then I don't find it very plausible.
It goes without saying that his live-in girlfriend Amanda Keller probably knows Atta a whole lot better than most other folk. They lived together for two months before Keller knicked him out.
This is extracted from Daniel Hopsicker's "Welcome To Terrorland". He is one of the few people who interviewed people who knew Atta and his partying ways, behavior that was inconsistent with that of a Muslim fundamentalist:
From the interview with Keller: "TheTop Ten Things You Never Knew About Mohamed Atta."
10: Intimidated Witness #1: Atta's American girlfriend.
Mohamed Atta had an American girlfriend with whom he lived for two months in Venice, FL., a lingerie model named Amanda Keller. You haven't heard her story because she was intimidated into silence by the FBI. In the aftermath of the attack she spoke only a dozen words to the press: "I can't really discuss anything. I'm afraid I'll get in trouble."
9: Mohamed Atta, Beastie Boys fan.
Atta often listened to them non-stop. "One time I got mad cause he broke one of my knick-knacks, so I snapped his CD's in half," said Amanda Keller, his erstwhile American girlfriend. "I broke all of his CD's, cause they drove me crazy, he played the 'Beastie Boys' nonstop."
In the aftermath of the argument, Atta told her why he was such a big fan. "He told me about this girl he'd dated in France, that had his son," said Keller. "He didn't tell anyone else about that, for some reason he felt he could spill his guts to me. His son was like nine, he said. He said his son was the reason he liked the Beastie Boys so much, cause they were his son's favorite band."
8. Mohamed Atta, Islamic Party Animal
"Atta and his crew were always flush with lots and lots of money," said Stephanie Frederickson, a 50-year old housewife and foster mother who with her husband lived right next door to Atta's apartment. "Those guys were all really party animals." During their brief time together, Amanda and Atta went out almost every night, she said, and were part of a social scene at clubs like Margarita Maggie's in Sarasota. "When we went out we would meet pilots from Africa, Germany, and there were always lots of Arabs."
In fact, Atta was a heavy drinker, snorted coke, was a stylish dresser and wore enough expensive gold jewelry that a waitress in Venice thought he might be in the Mob.
7. Mohamed Atta liked pork chops.
"Islamic fundamentalist" Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, according to former girlfriend Amanda Keller. In fact, she said this was 'fanatical Islamo-fascist' Atta's one endearing trait. Devout Muslims don't eat pork, do they?
6. Mohamed Atta didn't come to the U.S. to learn to fly.
Atta was already a licensed pilot when he arrived in the US., with pilot's licenses from half a dozen countries, and while at Huffman Aviation was not treated like a 'newbie' pilot, but accorded the privileges of a flight instructor.
And instead of attending just one flight school, Huffman Aviation, as the FBI states, his path took him through at least three Florida flight programs, not including his visit to a flight school in Oklahoma and a stint at the first flight school he attended in the U.S., whose name, oddly enough, remains unknown.
If Atta's real reason for being in Florida wasn't to go to flight school... "why then was he here?" That facts this basic remain unknown illustrates the extent of the official blackout on information about 9/11.
5. Mohamed Atta's email list included people working for U.S. Defense contractors. One, for instance, worked for Canadian firm Virtual Prototypes, which helped develop the avionics for F-15, F-22 and B-2.. Mohamed Atta's kept an email list, showing him to have been in contact with employee's of US Defense contractors.
Atta's emails are reprinted in "Welcome to Terrorland's 40-page Appendix, filled with never before seen photos and documents about the terrorist conspiracy.
4. Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air force Base, in Montgomery, Alabama. Witnesses there recall him having been introduced around at an officers' club party. Mohamed Atta and at least five other of the nineteen terrorists participated in military training at secure military facilities in the United States. A 'Mohamed Atta' attended International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. Others of the terrorists studied in exchange programs at US Defense installations like the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, CA.
3. Mohamed Atta got dumped by his American girlfriend.
"The day I stopped liking him," Keller says today, "was when I saw him for the first time out at the pool. He was wearing a lime-green Speedo. He had a flanky ass." He had also embarrassed her in a night club, which turned out to be the beginning of the end. "We were at Margarita Maggie's in Sarasota near the quay," Amanda stated. "Angelina, Olivia, Timothy, Juergen, Sabrina, Mohamed, Wolfgang...they were all there."
"And Mohamed, like a dumbass was standing on top of a speaker dancing. The man could not dance to save his life, he was real stiff, just kind of shaking, doing the 'Roxbury head bob' thing. He just embarrassed me instantly when we got there, and I just pretended I didn't know him."
2. Mohamed Atta was in Venice, Florida at least three times during the last six weeks of his life. The FBI is covering this fact up, perhaps because it will lead to questions about the identities of those who Atta had gone to the retirement community on Florida's Gulf Coast to meet, which included "Magic Dutch Boy" Rudi Dekkers.
The #1 Thing You Never Knew About Mohamed Atta:
1. Mohamed Atta was a psychopath.
"He told me he'd get even with me," Amanda Keller said, after she threw him out of the apartment they shared. "He said, 'You will be sorry for this.'"
He revenged himself by disemboweling her pet cat and and dismembering its half-dozen baby kittens, then strewing the pieces around her apartment to be discovered when she returned home from work after a long night at the "lingerie model" escort service in Sarasota she worked for to the apartment that was now hers alone.
Amanda kept a pet dog, and several cats as well, one of whom had just had a litter, she informed us haltingly. There were six adorable kittens. But when she flicked on the lights in her apartment, she didn't hear any noises coming from them, and she couldn't see any of the kittens...
Voice cracking with horror, she told us what she saw when she turned on the light: pieces of dead kittens-kitten parts-strewn all over the living room. "She(the mother cat) had had a litter of six. Only one survived...The mother was gutted on my kitchen table. And there were little baby cat parts all over the place."
"The only ones to survive were my little dog that hid under the couch, and my Siamese who sat on top of the fridge behind the cookie jar. My friend Page came in with me, and helped me pick up little kitten parts that were all over the apartment."
In an apartment directly across the street from the Venice Airport, the American girl who had just spurned Atta was on her hands and knees picking up kitten parts. Amanda Keller moved out of the apartment that same day, and never returned.
Numerous descriptions of Atta have painted him as menacing, dark, glaring, sometimes just wooden. We even heard speculation, from people who had been in his presence in Venice, that they suspected he might have been brainwashed.
But after listening to Amanda Keller's story, which we will see fully corroborated by credible witnesses, we can answer one of the open questions about the 9/11 attack: Why was Mohamed Atta chosen to commit one of history's most unspeakable crimes?
Because he could. He was capable of it. Not just capable... he was perfect for the job. He does not deserve the 'heroic suicide' mantle placed on his shoulders by aggrieved Arab radicals. Any self-respecting Islamic fundamentalist should be ashamed that he sprang from their number. Atta wasn't a hero. He belonged in a psych-ward. Mohamed Atta was a psychopath. A Kitten Killer. We're in Jeffrey Dahmer territory here.
And this about the Sandpiper Apartments manager, Charlie Grapentine: He is a grizzled Korean vet in his early 60's. The FBI did not take note of his recollections any more warmly than they had those of Stephanie Frederickson. "Atta always carried a fanny pack around his waist," Grapentine told us. "I remember Amanda once telling him that she needed some new clothes, and he reached in and peeled off a few hundreds from a thick roll of cash he had stuffed inside the fanny pack." Grapentine turns grim on the subject of the FBI's treatment. "They called me a liar, and told me to keep my mouth shut," stated the ex-marine through clenched teeth. "Nobody likes to hear that: that they didn't see something they know they saw." Keller, Frederickson, and Grapentine, are just three examples of the apparently officially-sanctioned silencing of eyewitnesses in Florida to the terrorist's activities. (extracted from Daniel Hopsicker article)
Incidentally, who knows how reliable the witnesses in Perfect Soldiers are? Naturally it goes without saying that anyone who knew Atta would be under enormous pressure to toe the official line. (The FBI threatened and silenced witnesses). Are these Perfect Soldiers winesses even talking about the same Mohamed Atta anyway? There are two, perhaps three different people answering to, or described as "Mohamed Atta" involved in the 9-11 story.
Furthermore here is another wild Mohamed Atta inconsistency which the 9-11 Commission failed to address:
Mohamed Atta's rental car was found abandoned at Boston's Logan Airport....but the the photo which identifies Atta as one of the alleged 19 was taken at Portland Jetport when he was about to board a commuter flight TO
Logan. Mohamed Atta could not have been in two places at once, some 100 miles apart, on the same morning, and
catching a flight towards the place where he left his car.
This is the car in which FBI agents "found" material that pointed to flying planes and Islamic paraphernalia, including the Koran, which he supposedly "abandoned" on the day of his demise (!). How did the FBI find all the alleged terrorists' cars at the airports so rapidly? The capacity of the Logan Airport parking lot is some 8000 vehicles. Why would the FBI find the car so soon, in an airport he didnt park his car at? And why would he abandon his precious religious artifacts, such as copies of the Koran, together with the flight plans etc?
can explain this absurdity, please go ahead. I call BS, yet again.
This type of inconsistency/impossibility is endemic within the Commission's report. If an aspect of the story fails to fit the pre-ordained conclusion, ignore it. As of yet, nobody has explained this impossibility.
Another link here: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0405/S00110.htm