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Originally Posted by Elixir

who cares how many units are out there because of the ps3? what if those people dont have HD's? (most dont), so what are the odds they even purchase blurays?

A lot of people should care. Not only does it determine how much potential it is for BR adoption(for sellers).

It also indecates how fast the price will drop on all things related to PS3.

If PS3 sells 6 million by march, you can bet that BR-D RW will drop about 50% and media drop about 30%

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film companies aren't going to care how many blurary players are out there if no one is buying bluray disks...if hd-dvd movies are selling then thats where the studios are going to lean towardsd.

Actually Record industry cares too. As Concerts Music videos and other things are related to video. Also the adoption of digital equipment so they can resell music in 5.1 sound if the market is up.

Also since PS3 is a online media hub, there is potential for promotion and money, like iTunes.

Finally Synergy such as people who Buy PS3 will consider buying HDTVs, and people who Brought HDTV will consider buying PS3. And then some of those will consider buying surround sound systems, and some of those will consider buying broadband, and some of those will consider [...].

Money gets thrown around whenever an exciting product comes around. Just like how the ipod grew it's tree.
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another how to instructions to use xbox-360 HD-DVD add on as HD-DVD player on your PC. What's even more interesting is that MacOS correctly recognize xbox HD-DVD add on drive by default and is operational with SD DVD playback, however, no HD-DVD playback due to lack of software.

http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/11/8303/
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Well...I hope MS is selling the HD-DVD drive for a decent profit.

Tempting to get one and see if I can't find a player for the Mac or in the worst case bootcamp to Windows...30" ACD on my desk should look pretty decent...

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Originally Posted by vinea

Well...I hope MS is selling the HD-DVD drive for a decent profit.

Tempting to get one and see if I can't find a player for the Mac or in the worst case bootcamp to Windows...30" ACD on my desk should look pretty decent...

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Unlikely. $200 is a bare minium even without the HW decoder chip.

after shipping and sw development, support and what not, it's probaby a lost.

If people keep buying it though, they would make a profit. Maybe in half a year.

Optical components traditionally drops very fast.
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Originally Posted by Kuku

Unlikely. $200 is a bare minium even without the HW decoder chip.

Above statement is called FUD....... or just an ignorance?.... Eitherway, anyone to set up a HTPC with either BD or HD-DVD or both would require a decent CPU (dualcore) or at least AMD64 with HDCP compliant GPU, which is now available around $200.

A simple solution for this stupid format war is getting a home made universal player in the means of HTPC. I'm sure these Hi-Def optical drives will be priced much lower in the near future or we may even get a universal optical drive at around $50.
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Um...are you responding to the same comment I'm reading? I dunno what a bare transport costs but $200 could be either about right or a bit subsidized...and there ain't much in there besides some USB stuff, power and a HD-DVD drive...

Given kuku's comments I'm inclined to believe "a bit subsidized" for the moment. Too bad they're likely in short supply at the moment...

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hm.... how can it be subsidized?.... usb/firwire external casing could be bought for $20 to $40 as a street price and HD-DVD drive rom is just optical DVD rom with extra blue laser..... The drive itself doesn't decode anything....it's just a reader. Anyway, even if the blue laser maybe be in short suppy, once third party bare HD-DVD rom drive hits the market, it will be about $100 at launch. So, even when charging the unit at the street price only cost $120 to $140, which means someone's making money on xbox360 HD-DVD add on. Hence, the free remote and free King Kong HD-DVD movie?....
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Originally Posted by bitemymac

hm.... how can it be subsidized?.... usb/firwire external casing could be bought for $20 to $40 as a street price and HD-DVD drive rom is just optical DVD rom with extra blue laser..... The drive itself doesn't decode anything....it's just a reader. Anyway, even if the blue laser maybe be in short suppy, once third party bare HD-DVD rom drive hits the market, it will be about $100 at launch. So, even when charging the unit at the street price only cost $120 to $140, which means someone's making money on xbox360 HD-DVD add on. Hence, the free remote and free King Kong HD-DVD movie?....

You really don't know much about HD optical players do you? Or even what a dvd drive composes of.
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hm.... how can it be subsidized?.... usb/firwire external casing could be bought for $20 to $40 as a street price and HD-DVD drive rom is just optical DVD rom with extra blue laser..... The drive itself doesn't decode anything....it's just a reader. Anyway, even if the blue laser maybe be in short suppy, once third party bare HD-DVD rom drive hits the market, it will be about $100 at launch. So, even when charging the unit at the street price only cost $120 to $140, which means someone's making money on xbox360 HD-DVD add on. Hence, the free remote and free King Kong HD-DVD movie?....

You really don't know much about optical players do you? And probably not much of how manufacturing work as well.
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hm.... how can it be subsidized?.... usb/firwire external casing could be bought for $20 to $40 as a street price and HD-DVD drive rom is just optical DVD rom with extra blue laser..... The drive itself doesn't decode anything....it's just a reader. Anyway, even if the blue laser maybe be in short suppy, once third party bare HD-DVD rom drive hits the market, it will be about $100 at launch. So, even when charging the unit at the street price only cost $120 to $140, which means someone's making money on xbox360 HD-DVD add on. Hence, the free remote and free King Kong HD-DVD movie?....

The diode and lens assembly alone is likely setting Microsoft back $200 given how difficult they are to manufacture. I don't expect they are making a huge loss but I do expect they are taking one. That said Microsoft has a strategy recently to sell at cost or loss to then make money back off content.
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Originally Posted by Telomar

The diode and lens assembly alone is likely setting Microsoft back $200 given how difficult they are to manufacture. I don't expect they are making a huge loss but I do expect they are taking one. That said Microsoft has a strategy recently to sell at cost or loss to then make money back off content.

I thought the difficulty of manufacturing is due to patent disputes, but not due to manufacturing capabilities. I know few companies are developing their own blue laser, and once it's done it's matter of printing...... and obviously, toshiba has resources of it.
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HD DVD drives share the lens assembly with red and blue diodes. This is why they can be made more affordably. However I believe Microsoft is in fact subsidizing the player. My guess is profitable retail would place the drive at $299 sans remote and movie.
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I thought the difficulty of manufacturing is due to patent disputes, but not due to manufacturing capabilities. I know few companies are developing their own blue laser, and once it's done it's matter of printing...... and obviously, toshiba has resources of it.

Toshiba just doesn't have much demand. The blue laser diodes themselves are quite prone to cracking. Essentially blue diodes consist of Gallium Nitride and Indium Nitride on a sapphire (aluminium oxide) substrate with some level of silicon doping. The problem is the material differences between GaN, Si, InN and the substrate cause strains to form within the manufacturing process, which is vapour deposition if you are wondering, that mean on final production the diode has cracks. Cracking is acceptable for some applications but lasers require a higher core strength and cracks also reduce light emission by the diode, it simply doesn't get bright enough or it overheats and basically cooks itself. InN is also pretty poorly understood right now so you can't always generate consistent results.

The process to do all of this is reasonably costly as they require high quality materials right now and high failure rates don't help matters but for the moment that one component is quite costly. It's one of those common engineering materials issues. Now that people are interested in blue lasers research will go up and it'll be fixed pretty fast with the current processes giving way to less costly ones. Still I don't think that can happen fast enough for some.
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Originally Posted by Telomar

Toshiba just doesn't have much demand.

That's a good point. Toshiba has needed fewer than 100,000 blue diodes so far, based on player sales. Sony, on the other hand, has been straining to have 500,000 for the PS3's launch, plus whatever the Blu-ray players on the market are taking up, maybe another 10-20,000. So obviously, constrained diode supplies will hit Sony much harder.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak

That's a good point. Toshiba has needed fewer than 100,000 blue diodes so far, based on player sales. Sony, on the other hand, has been straining to have 500,000 for the PS3's launch, plus whatever the Blu-ray players on the market are taking up, maybe another 10-20,000. So obviously, constrained diode supplies will hit Sony much harder.

Actually, first gen toshiba HD-DVD players used NEC which also makes drives for BD and HD. The second generation toshiba HD-DVD players and xbox 360 HD-DVD add on now uses toshiba drives and should exceed 100k units easily just by xbox 360 add on alone. Either way, I don't think the cost on the HD-DVD rom drive will exceed $100 and M$ subsidizing just doesn't add up. (I'm not an engineer nor a material scientist, so whatever I'm saying is just from my own common sense) All in all, $200 is a great price for a HD-DVD player whether in the means of xbox360 or HTPC solution at the moment. Also, the promotional free King Kong and Remote plus the CC coupons just makes even a greater deal for $159, if you can find one.
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I read a story on Joystiq.com that said that Gamestop will not get their full allotment of
PS3s. I went to my local Gamestop to check the status of my pre-order.

I asked the manager about my pre-order. He said their is a chance that Sony will not give
them their full amount of PS3's. I'm 9th on the preorders out of 16. He said that I would
get a call in the next 48 hours if I can get one at launch. He said if I can't get one at
launch, I'd have to wait 2 to 3 weeks to get my pre-order filled.

He also mentioned that I could get a PS3 if I wanted to change my pre-order to the
low-end model instead.
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Bluray will be in 100 million living rooms over the next decade through PS3 alone.

I'd bet the farm on it beating HD-DVD hands down unless dual format players become common place.
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Bluray will be in 100 million living rooms over the next decade through PS3 alone.

I'd bet the farm on it beating HD-DVD hands down unless dual format players become common place.


i love how people talk straight out of their a55es. how the hell do you know that? just because the ps2 recently hit that number after a decade of being on the market? huh?

sony's ps2 didn't have the competition it has now, sony had pretty much ALL the exlusives titles, they have basically NONE now.

sony's two major markets were japan and europe- japan's gaming segments have been on a steady decline, and sony just pooped on europe

so where do you get these crazy figures from? the past isn't exactly the greatest indicator of the future.
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I read a story on Joystiq.com that said that Gamestop will not get their full allotment of
PS3s. I went to my local Gamestop to check the status of my pre-order.

I asked the manager about my pre-order. He said their is a chance that Sony will not give
them their full amount of PS3's. I'm 9th on the preorders out of 16. He said that I would
get a call in the next 48 hours if I can get one at launch. He said if I can't get one at
launch, I'd have to wait 2 to 3 weeks to get my pre-order filled.

He also mentioned that I could get a PS3 if I wanted to change my pre-order to the
low-end model instead.

I just got a call from the Gamestop manager informing me that Sony cut their order down
to EIGHT systems. I'm F%@K#*G 9th on the list! He said if one of the eight don't have the
money or don't show up within 24 hours, then I could get one on Sunday. He also
mentioned that there will be a second shipment to fill the rest of the preorders & he gives
it 90% odds that it will be before Christmas.
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I just got a call from the Gamestop manager informing me that Sony cut their order down
to EIGHT systems. I'm F%@K#*G 9th on the list! He said if one of the eight don't have the
money or don't show up within 24 hours, then I could get one on Sunday. He also
mentioned that their will be a second shipment to fill the rest of the preorders & he gives
it 90% odds that it will be before Christmas.


That sucks man I feel for you.
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Originally Posted by Elixir

and sony just pooped on europe

How? Everything else that has been PlayStation related (PS One, PS2, PSP) has been released later in Europe than in the US and Japan, and it was the original plan for PS3 too - before the delay in the US and Japan.
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Originally Posted by Elixir

i love how people talk straight out of their a55es. how the hell do you know that? just because the ps2 recently hit that number after a decade of being on the market? huh?

sony's ps2 didn't have the competition it has now, sony had pretty much ALL the exlusives titles, they have basically NONE now.

sony's two major markets were japan and europe- japan's gaming segments have been on a steady decline, and sony just pooped on europe

so where do you get these crazy figures from? the past isn't exactly the greatest indicator of the future.

What a lot of rubbish.

The PS2 had to fend off the Sega Dreamcast, Nintendo Gamecube and Microsoft Xbox. There is now actually less competition than there was before as Sega have pulled out of the console market and Nintendo are going for a niche demographic.

There is practically no competition as far as Blu-Ray/HD-DVD goes as PS3 is the only next generation machine to offer high definition movie playback out the box, with Microsoft adding an entirely seperate, clunky HD-DVD add-on at the last minute which must be bought seperately.

PS2 had all the exclusives? I think you'll find that a great many of the AAA titles such as Metal Gear and GTA were also available on the Xbox and a few on the GC. PS3 however still retains exclusivity on the main Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest titles which are the two biggest sellers in Japan.

So then we have a mass market multimedia product which will playback blu-ray movies for a fraction of the cost of a stand-alone blu-ray player. PSone and PS2 have both sold around 100,000,000 units each and PS3 has arguably less competition than either of those systems had whilst also posessing added functionality, unlike PS2 which was arguably the least powerful console when compared to GC and Xbox.

This doesn't guarantee Sonys success of course, but you'd have to be deluded to bet against them this time around.
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What a lot of rubbish.

The PS2 had to fend off the Sega Dreamcast, Nintendo Gamecube and Microsoft Xbox. There is now actually less competition than there was before as Sega have pulled out of the console market and Nintendo are going for a niche demographic.

There is practically no competition as far as Blu-Ray/HD-DVD goes as PS3 is the only next generation machine to offer high definition movie playback out the box, with Microsoft adding an entirely seperate, clunky HD-DVD add-on at the last minute which must be bought seperately.

PS2 had all the exclusives? I think you'll find that a great many of the AAA titles such as Metal Gear and GTA were also available on the Xbox and a few on the GC. PS3 however still retains exclusivity on the main Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest titles which are the two biggest sellers in Japan.

So then we have a mass market multimedia product which will playback blu-ray movies for a fraction of the cost of a stand-alone blu-ray player. PSone and PS2 have both sold around 100,000,000 units each and PS3 has arguably less competition than either of those systems had whilst also posessing added functionality, unlike PS2 which was arguably the least powerful console when compared to GC and Xbox.

This doesn't guarantee Sonys success of course, but you'd have to be deluded to bet against them this time around.

sony got lucky against the sega dreamcast, the gamecube was another horrible mistake by nintendo, adn the xbox made grounds with ITS FIRST CONSOLE DEbut, which lacked exclusives

they only got GTA and MGS after sony did, that made a big difference.

your insane to think the ps3 doesn't have stronger competition now, i shouldn't even argue with you if you believe this. bluray has done nothing but bomb so far, so who cares if it has a bluray player? that may do more harm then good considering all the delays.

microsoft is goign to move a buttload of consoles this holiday. gears of war alone has prompted a massive stampede to snatch up 360's off store shelves.


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Originally Posted by Elixir

sony got lucky against the sega dreamcast, the gamecube was another horrible mistake by nintendo, adn the xbox made grounds with ITS FIRST CONSOLE DEbut, which lacked exclusives

they only got GTA and MGS after sony did, that made a big difference.

your insane to think the ps3 doesn't have stronger competition now, i shouldn't even argue with you if you believe this. bluray has done nothing but bomb so far, so who cares if it has a bluray player? that may do more harm then good considering all the delays.

microsoft is goign to move a buttload of consoles this holiday. gears of war alone has prompted a massive stampede to snatch up 360's off store shelves.


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360 will probably still be getting the majority of Japanese AAA titles like Metal Gear 4, Silent Hill and Resident Evil after the PS3, although Western developed games like GTA may have similar release dates. Also there was a little game called Halo which was, and still is, an Xbox exclusive.

A very, very BIG potential problem for 360 is if developers actually start making use of blu-ray media for games. 360 only has DVD so how can developers port over their blu-ray software? The 360 HD-DVD add-on is for movies only.

I wouldn't say that blu-ray or HD-DVD have bombed as they arguably haven't even reached the mass market yet. Let's see how well they are doing a year after PS3's launch, I suspect that every PS3 buyer will be picking up a blu-ray or two with the console.

Over the next 5-10 years I suspect that DVD's will have reached the market equivalent of where the VHS video is at the moment with either blu-ray or HD-DVD being used by the vast majority.

Where is the mass market product pushing the HD-DVD format into tens of millions of living rooms via the back door?
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Originally Posted by womblingfree

360 will probably still be getting the majority of Japanese AAA titles like Metal Gear 4, Silent Hill and Resident Evil after the PS3, although Western developed games like GTA may have similar release dates. Also there was a little game called Halo which was, and still is, an Xbox exclusive.

A very, very BIG potential problem for 360 is if developers actually start making use of blu-ray media for games. 360 only has DVD so how can developers port over their blu-ray software? The 360 HD-DVD add-on is for movies only.

I wouldn't say that blu-ray or HD-DVD have bombed as they arguably haven't even reached the mass market yet. Let's see how well they are doing a year after PS3's launch, I suspect that every PS3 buyer will be picking up a blu-ray or two with the console.

Over the next 5-10 years I suspect that DVD's will have reached the market equivalent of where the VHS video is at the moment with either blu-ray or HD-DVD being used by the vast majority.

Where is the mass market product pushing the HD-DVD format into tens of millions of living rooms via the back door?

who exactly is going to start taking advantage of blu-ray for games? who? maybe less than a handful of game publishers and only on maybe 2 or 3 games liek final fantasy (IF EVEN). if you keep up with anything about the industry you will see conference after conference of developers and publishers talking about unmanagable prices in developing next gen games.

you think with so much caution in the wind game developers are going to pump in content to the point where they need the bluray storage? imagine the cost of such a game, 100million?

yeah, no one has really bombed the format war yet, but hd-dvd is clearly the fastest out of the gate. and what product will push the format into tens of millions of living rooms? umm well a regular hd-dvd player for one, as well as the 360 add on which is being sold out pretty much everywhere.


Sony ps3 glitches are starting to appear, expect lots more.

apparently the system doesn't scale games like the 360, if a tv doesn't support 720p, the system will scale it down to 480, OUCH.

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7186/52/

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35722
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who exactly is going to start taking advantage of blu-ray for games? who? maybe less than a handful of game publishers and only on maybe 2 or 3 games liek final fantasy (IF EVEN). if you keep up with anything about the industry you will see conference after conference of developers and publishers talking about unmanagable prices in developing next gen games.

you think with so much caution in the wind game developers are going to pump in content to the point where they need the bluray storage? imagine the cost of such a game, 100million?

yeah, no one has really bombed the format war yet, but hd-dvd is clearly the fastest out of the gate. and what product will push the format into tens of millions of living rooms? umm well a regular hd-dvd player for one, as well as the 360 add on which is being sold out pretty much everywhere.


Sony ps3 glitches are starting to appear, expect lots more.

apparently the system doesn't scale games like the 360, if a tv doesn't support 720p, the system will scale it down to 480, OUCH.

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7186/52/

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35722

All of them. DVD just doesn't have enough space for high-res textures or HD movies.
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It opened up to give you it's broken, fallen-off laser! This should totally be on cuteoverload.com.
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Before I drill down to the PlayStation 3's various features, I should mention the technology that has gone into the console. It may not entirely justify the controversial pricing, but it does explain the graphical appeal, not to mention the vastly improved physics and environmental (including lighting) effects.

Weighing about 11lbs and measuring 12.8inx3.9inx10.9in, the PlayStation 3 is certainly larger than the PlayStation 2, the diminutive Wii, or the Xbox 360. As with those consoles, the PlayStation 3 can be oriented vertically or horizontally. Either way, the PlayStation 3's striking design looks right at home in the living room although its polished top surface is prone to finger marks. The PlayStation 3 runs more quietly than the Xbox 360, but is a bit louder than the almost silent Wii. Although the unit itself doesn't get too toasty, the air around it tends to feel warm after a few hours of continuous play.

The PlayStation 3 comes in two versions. The $599 (£317) model has a 60GB hard disk, built-in 802.11b/g wireless networking and MemoryStick, SD, and CompactFlash slots. The $499 (£264) unit omits Wi-Fi capability, media card slots and it has a 20GB drive. You can replace the hard drive on either version.

But the differences end there. Both PlayStation 3 versions provide a Blu-ray slot drive, HDMI-output, gigabit networking, four USB 2.0 ports, and built-in Bluetooth 2.0 support.

At the heart of the PlayStation 3 lies a CPU that'll impress even the most hardcore PC gamer. This powerful, multicore cell processor, jointly developed by Sony, Toshiba and IBM, runs at 3.2GHz. An RSX Reality Synthesizer graphics engine, based on nVidia's G70 architecture, delivers the graphics. Working alongside these chips are 256MB of high-performance XDR main memory.

Getting started
If you're lucky enough to score a PlayStation 3, ensure that you come home with all of the cables you'll need. To fully experience the console's graphics capabilities - that is, to play supported games or watch Blu-ray movies in 1080p high-definition - you'll have to purchase your own HDMI cable (and own an HDCP-compliant 1080p television). Two extras that you might consider buying are Sony's proprietary component video output cable and the optical digital audio cable required for 7.1-channel audio. For optimum Blu-ray or DVD-movie playback, you could spring for the optional remote control.

The standard package includes basic cords: a USB mini cable for the bundled Bluetooth wireless controller, an ethernet cable, a multi audio/video cable with composite connections and an AC power cord. The PlayStation 3 uses a standard cord, unlike the external power brick used by the Wii and the Xbox 360. Most PlayStation 3 owners will fire up the console without looking at the manual - and they probably won't run into any trouble. It's that easy to hook up.

Once turned on, the PlayStation 3 will ask you to choose a language and a time zone and set the time and date. You then create a user account, sign in and are presented with a navigation interface that Sony calls the XMB (Xross Media Bar), which closely resembles the interface employed by Sony's PSP (PlayStation Portable) handheld.

My first priority was to properly configure the high-definition output. I accomplished this by navigating to the video settings and changing the unit's output to 1080p over HDMI.

I couldn't wait to hear how the PlayStation 3 audio sounded through my high-quality music production monitors. I attached the audio connections on the supplied composite multi audio/video cable to my speakers, then set the PlayStation 3 to send audio over that route. The result: easy setup and great sound.

In the PlayStation 3's system settings, I noticed that my new unit's hard disk had 52GB of its 60GB total available, while that the operating system was version 1.00. However, the first game I loaded - NBA 07 - included the 1.02 system update and installed it before I could begin playing. Although the installation took only a few minutes, having to wait was a little frustrating. The PlayStation 3 manual says some games have their required updates built-in to help you avoid having to patch via the internet.

Let the games begin
Internet connectivity and high-definition movie playback aside, consoles are all about the games. And massive exclusive franchises such as Halo (Xbox), Metal Gear Solid (PlayStation) and Zelda (Nintendo) promote gamers' allegiance to a single console. Whether a PlayStation 3 launch title such as Resistance: Fall of Man becomes such a classic remains to be seen. But the PlayStation 3 games that I've played so far have been ridiculously fun. Bearing in mind that I can't test the multiplayer or online functionality until the PlayStation 3 officially launches, here are some early thoughts:

NBA 07
This addictive basketball game runs in 1080p resolution at an incredibly smooth 60 frames per second. The players' movements are responsive and fluid, the digital Shaq looks similar to a sweaty version of the in-the-flesh Shaq, while the courts seem almost photo-realistic. It's a better game all around than the PlayStation 2 version, although regrettably there still isn't any commentary. Load times were pretty slow - about 15 to 20 seconds - to begin with, but once the game automatically copied information to the PlayStation 3's hard disk, times improved dramatically.

Resistance: Fall of Man
This first-person shooter is my favourite PlayStation 3 game so far. Levels feel expansive and atmospheric, but the graphics, while top-notch, fall somewhere between how a PlayStation 2 game and a PlayStation 3 game should look - particularly with regard to the textures of the bad guys. The game plays at a solid 30fps (frames per second) and supports 720p resolution.

Genji: Days of the Blade
This was my least favourite title, even though I'm a fan of slash-/beat-'em-ups. Load times improved once frequently used game data was automatically copied to the hard disk. The graphics looked superb and being able to switch characters instantly or to embark on a matrix-style slow-motion killing spree in midfight was great. Nevertheless, the gameplay as a whole felt a little tired, as though I'd played the same game too many times before.

The PlayStation 3 is backward-compatible with most PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2 games, but to hedge your bets you might want to buy the optional Memory Card Adaptor, which allows you to transfer saved game information from PlayStation 1/PlayStation 2 memory cards to the PlayStation 3's hard disk. Even then, early reports indicate that various problems have plagued a bunch of games. Tekken 5, for instance, is said to lose background music on the PlayStation 3.

The PlayStation 3 controller
The new wireless, motion-sensitive SixAxis controller lacks force feedback, but it's lighter than the PlayStation 2's controller and has larger L2 and R2 triggers. And because the PlayStation 3's controller can sense motion along six axes, you can turn and tilt in three-dimensional space to steer in driving or flying games. I've had limited opportunity to test the controller's motion aspects so far. But a few of the launch games, such as Ridge Racer 7, should invite extensive use of the motion-sensing capability.

The controller connects to the PlayStation 3 wirelessly via Bluetooth - within a 65ft range - and can recharge its batteries, which Sony says will last for 30 hours, when plugged in via the supplied USB cable. To check the controller's remaining battery life, you hold the PS button - located between the analogue sticks - for two seconds. You'll then see a battery meter for that controller on screen, plus an option to turn the console off. You have to press the PS button when you turn the unit on; otherwise, annoyingly, the console won't recognise the controller.

A second PlayStation 3 controller costs $50 (£26) and the console supports up to seven players at a time. Each controller has four little LEDs on the top, which indicate the number that the console has assigned to that controller.
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Xross Media Bar and web browsing
The Xross Media Bar interface is surprisingly responsive and navigating around it feels snappier than using the Xbox 360 dashboard. Though the XMB lacks the 360's coloured tabs, the PlayStation 3 interface has a better, less-cluttered layout overall. That said, the XMB has quite a few unexplained menu options that are hardly intuitive. Even a rocket scientist might have trouble deciphering what Key Repeat Interval or UPnP - Enable/Disable? mean without a few moments of head scratching.

Small gripes aside, Sony has made the most important features and settings extremely easy to use. The parental controls are clear, while configuring a network connection (wireless or wired) is a breeze.

I was pleasantly surprised that you can plug in a USB keyboard and thereby avoid the horrid pre-emptive text-entry interface altogether. Bluetooth keyboard/mouse support is supposedly slated for a future system update. I can't overstate how much easier it is to deal with network settings or to browse the web when you use a dedicated keyboard.

Launched from the XMB, the PlayStation 3's web browser isn't the speediest thing on the planet, but it did load pages - including Flash videos - reasonably promptly. You can set bookmarks, browse through your history, and make text bigger or smaller.

You can use the D-pad to jump the cursor between page links, while one of the analogue sticks functions as a mouse. You may open a maximum of six browser windows simultaneously and the console lets you switch between them in two different ways - pushing down on a stick enables you to preview and switch between all open windows, but pressing the controller's R2 and L2 buttons lets you switch between browser windows while sliding them across the screen.

The Blu-ray experience
From the outset, Sony intended the PlayStation 3 to serve as an all-purpose entertainment console, with tendrils that extend well beyond the realm of game play. But can the PlayStation 3 hope to compete with standalone Blu-ray players from consumer electronics makers?

The short answer is yes. The PlayStation 3's movie playback experience is best if you start from scratch, inserting a disc into the front-loading slot just as you power up the unit. The unit took just three seconds to load the movie Underworld Evolution, followed almost immediately by the opening sounds of the PlayStation 3 start-up orchestra. The screen then blacked out and loaded the movie disc; total disc load time, from insertion of disc to start of playback, was nearly 24 seconds.

Matched side-by-side with the Samsung BD-P1000 Blu-ray player, the game console delivered noticeably sharper and crisper image quality, with more depth and more detail than were visible on the Samsung.

Sony's decision to omit the remote from its package seems inconsistent with its positioning of the premium PlayStation 3 as an all-encompassing entertainment device. It's worth noting that Microsoft includes a remote in the competing Xbox 360 box. But even if you pay for the remote to make the PlayStation 3 the entertainment-centric package it's designed to be, you'll be spending far less than you'd pay if you bought a dedicated Blu-ray Disc player today.

Multimedia file playback
Dedicated areas in the PlayStation 3's XMB handle music, videos, and photos. Two things caught my eye: videos played in thumbnail previews as I quickly flicked through them; and one photo-viewing mode - called Portrait Slideshow - uses real-time-generated graphics to foster the feeling that you are placing photos on a surface for friends and family to thumb through.

The PlayStation 3 supports common file formats such as AAC, JPEG, MP3, and MPEG-4 video, but I had no luck with any of the numerous WMV (Windows Media Movie) and WMA (Windows Media Audio) files I tried to play. In all probability, users will be able to play back more multimedia formats than the PS3 supports out of the box if they install Linux. Already, Linux distributor Terra Soft has announced that the PlayStation 3 supports its Yellow Dog distribution.

The PlayStation 3 can play music CDs, access song information from AMG (the All Music Guide) and copy/rip songs to its hard disk. By default, it does so in AAC format at 128 kbps, but you can create MP3 and ATRAC files if you prefer.

PlayStation online store and network
Because Sony won't fully enable the PlayStation 3's online features until the official US launch on 17 November, I can't evaluate how well they work. But we do have the latest details for you.

Sony has said that, unlike Xbox Live, the PlayStation Network will be a free service. You'll be able to see when friends are online in order to chat with them by video, voice, or text, or to join multiplayer games. Early feedback following the Japanese launch of the PlayStation 3 is that currently users can leave only text messages for other gamers. Reports further indicate that you can't read messages while in a game, you simply get a pop-up notification.

Sony has stated that it intends to offer downloadable game demos, movie trailers and to sell retro games, episodic content and perhaps eventually even full-length movies at its PlayStation Store. Methods to pay your bill will include credit card and special PlayStation cards sold in shops. Downloadable games that Sony has developed will cost less than $15 (£8) apiece at launch. And you can expect new titles from a range of developers to appear regularly.

Parting thoughts
So there you have it: the PlayStation 3 in a rather large nutshell. It truly is technologically superior to both the Xbox 360 and the Wii (which isn't really a direct competitor). But to succeed, Sony and its third-party partners must tap into their traditional strength of delivering compelling games for the console. The PlayStation 3 looks expensive at first, but seems less so when you compare its cost to the cost of a standalone Blu-ray player, a high-end PC graphics card, the Xbox 360 with its HD-DVD add-on, or even a media centre PC.

Good review. The PS3 looks to be one kick-arse machine...I'm thinking this is the first of many good reviews for the PS3. Bring on the onlslaught Sony!
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Not to pull an Elixir and post every malady ever, but this dead 360 HD-DVD drive possibly just died the cutest hardware death, ever:

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It opened up to give you it's broken, fallen-off laser! This should totally be on cuteoverload.com.

Awww...that is cute. Poor HD-DVD player...fall down go boom...

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any european gamers in here? or ps3 faithfuls from europe?

sony just poo'd on you again, not only did they force some of the best game exporters out of business, now they wont even let ebay sell to you guys.
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Most of the cost comes from the PlayStation 3 consoles processing power. The multi-core Cell processor alone, which was co-designed by Sony, Toshiba and IBM, and is the gaming devices main processing engine, accounts for about 10 percent of the cost of each machine, iSuppli said.

The research company also highlighted Sonys use of dual graphics chips from Nvidia and Toshiba, and its use of four 512M-bit DRAM chips from Samsung. Sonys motherboard probably costs the company $500 in total, compared to $204 for the Xbox 360, iSuppli said.

This is all good news for customers, who get all that computing power for a relative bargain. iSuppli called the PlayStation 3 an engineering masterpiece, with a motherboard that looks more like that of an enterprise server or network switch than a games console.

The console provides more processing power and capability than any consumer electronics device in history, iSuppli said.
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who exactly is going to start taking advantage of blu-ray for games? who? maybe less than a handful of game publishers and only on maybe 2 or 3 games liek final fantasy (IF EVEN).

We won't know who will be taking advantage of blu-ray and who won't for a while, the problem for 360 is that they could.

I think it's fairly obvious to presume that over its lifespan that bluray will be used by any developers who need the extra storage space.

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any european gamers in here? or ps3 faithfuls from europe?

sony just poo'd on you again, not only did they force some of the best game exporters out of business, now they wont even let ebay sell to you guys.

Large games manufacturers have been 'pooing' on Europe since the 70's, Nintendo, Atari, Sega have all treated the European market with disdain.

As for saying that PS3's aren't available on European Ebay sites this is just 100% innacurate, PS3's are available freely to anyone willing to pay the inflated prices.
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As for saying that PS3's aren't available on European Ebay sites this is just 100% innacurate, PS3's are available freely to anyone willing to pay the inflated prices.

http://www.mcvuk.com/newsitem.php?id=24823

sure. ebay said it is not allowed, if people still continue to do so then good luck to them.


thats all i was saying.
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Good review. The PS3 looks to be one kick-arse machine...I'm thinking this is the first of many good reviews for the PS3. Bring on the onlslaught Sony!

Onslaught? Sure, maybe after they work out all the introduction kinks like they had with the PS1 and PS2!!

I'm just saying....
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http://www.mcvuk.com/newsitem.php?id=24823

sure. ebay said it is not allowed, if people still continue to do so then good luck to them.


thats all i was saying.

That report is innacurate, Ebay has not banned sales of PS3's by individuals.

It set out guidelines:

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/uk/200611150746562.html

The wording is open to interpretation stating that only PS3's 'obtained' in the UK can be sold. It doesn't say anything about only European PS3's being allowed to be sold.

Anyone from Europe wanting a PS3 early would be best to fly to Japan or the US, buy 2 and sell 1. That would pay for the PS3 and the return flight

One of the main reasons Sony gave for clamping down on imports was that the imported models wouldn't conform to European voltages. Turns out that PS3's have an in built universal power convertor, the games are also region free. Turns out it's the most import friendly console ever, despite the moaning of Sony.
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Interesting... I return to this thread and it is all talk about gaming systems.

Which isn't bad. It does however indicate a relatively rare perspective. While the gaming market is absolutely huge, nearly nobody plays movies on their game systems. Certainly we know people who do, but it isn't common when compared to stand-alone player usage.

Funny anecdote: It rained for three days straight in Pittsburgh leading up to the PS3 release. Those poor bastards in line were getting poured on for like 72 hours straight. I'm not talking about occaisional showers. I mean it rained steadily, without stop, for the entire time they were in line.
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So any of you guys/gals got lucky with PS3 today?....

I thought I almost got the set from Costco-dot-com, but at the last minute, the website just crashed on me. I just gave up and now it's says sold out. I thought I can take away one set off you Sony fans, but my plans failed. LOL.
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Shouldn't surprise anyone since it is the newer technology but prices of BD-drives to drop 50% over the next year. That with some lower end hardware should drive the prices down a fair bit. So remind me why would I really want to jump in to this battle right now again outside of buying a PS3?
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