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post #1641 of 2107
11/17/06 at 1:23pm
Shouldn't surprise anyone since it is the newer technology but prices of BD-drives to drop 50% over the next year. That with some lower end hardware should drive the prices down a fair bit. So remind me why would I really want to jump in to this battle right now again outside of buying a PS3?
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11/17/06 at 1:47pm
Because if you have a HDTV you're getting HD Lite with satellite or cable HD. The discs you buy today are still going to look great across generations of hardware.
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post #1643 of 2107
11/17/06 at 10:02pm
now i figured the PS3 was going to have problems, since all consoles launches do but this bad? no i did not think it was going to be THIS bad

and technically a majority of owneres haven't even recieved their boxes considering everyone is selling on ebay

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p1.html
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11/18/06 at 12:29am
I think it is pretty apparent Sony's largest issues are not hardware but in fact software. The hardware is capable the problem is their OS is bloated compared to Microsoft's, regardless of the numbers you believe, and they are certainly having scaling issues, which I can only assume will be updated later.
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11/18/06 at 12:38am
Just as an addendum. A very interesting interview with Sony Australia's managing director. He talks about HD players really not taking off until the 2nd half of next year as well as consoles. I also agree with this quote. If I owned an Xbox and was a parent there is really no incentive to touch a 360. If you own a PS2 there will be far more loyalty once prices drop.

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Xbox pulled the support of Xbox with no notice to consumers, retailers or publishers. I think they've made a major strategic error, because every PS2 that we sell into homes, there's a very good likelihood that home will upgrade to a PS3 because it's backwards compatible. We're disappointed on the delay because of the anticipation, but if you sit back and look at the business, and how long a format is around, I think within a year or two, the delay will not even register.
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post #1646 of 2107
11/18/06 at 12:54am
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Originally Posted by Telomar

Just as an addendum. A very interesting interview with Sony Australia's managing director. He talks about HD players really not taking off until the 2nd half of next year as well as consoles. I also agree with this quote. If I owned an Xbox and was a parent there is really no incentive to touch a 360. If you own a PS2 there will be far more loyalty once prices drop.

backwards compatibility is overrated, HIGHLY overrated.

you're talking about the core gamers who purchse 5 or more games a year

average consumers dont get no where near those numbers

xbox 360 is compatible with all their popular games, i think thats sufficient enough.
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11/18/06 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by dfiler

nearly nobody plays movies on their game systems.

When PS2 was released the DVD player market was tiny with DVD players costing a fortune. After PS2's release sales of DVD's went throught the roof. Sony are looking to replicate the achievement with PS3 and with stand-alone Blu-Ray players costing upwards of $1,000 there's a good chance they will.

360 is an irrelevance in a Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD thread as it will have little to no impact on the outcome of the winning format, it doesn't playback Blu-Ray or HD-DVD's!!!

The 360 HD-DVD add-on is a last minute attempt for the machine not to appear obsolete. It is in fact a standalone HD-DVD player (albeit a cheap one) that hooks up to a 360 and can't be used for gaming. It's like sticking a VHS recorder to a toaster and saying that the toaster is VHS compatible!
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post #1648 of 2107
11/18/06 at 9:14am
Wombling that's a bit of hyperbole. The Xbox 360 is far from obsolete and I'm going to buy one in 2007 but I'll hold out and see if one with an integrated HD DVD is delivered. I'm hearing there is still demand for the add on which bodes well for both game consoles because it does show a willingness for people to use their consoles for multiple functions.
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11/18/06 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by womblingfree

When PS2 was released the DVD player market was tiny with DVD players costing a fortune. After PS2's release sales of DVD's went throught the roof. Sony are looking to replicate the achievement with PS3 and with stand-alone Blu-Ray players costing upwards of $1,000 there's a good chance they will.

360 is an irrelevance in a Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD thread as it will have little to no impact on the outcome of the winning format, it doesn't playback Blu-Ray or HD-DVD's!!!

The 360 HD-DVD add-on is a last minute attempt for the machine not to appear obsolete. It is in fact a standalone HD-DVD player (albeit a cheap one) that hooks up to a 360 and can't be used for gaming. It's like sticking a VHS recorder to a toaster and saying that the toaster is VHS compatible!

Yes, you do have a point. Nearly no one DOES play DVDs on their gaming systems, but they most certainly DID.
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11/18/06 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by dfiler

nearly nobody plays movies on their game systems.

I am surprised to hear this. The people I know who've wanted to purchase PS3s are completed interested in the BR player, and HDMI, and few, and in some cases, no game titles. I haven't played any PS2 games in quite a long time, with the exception of some occasional Madden, and I am definitely looking forward to getting my hands on a PS3 specifically for movies.

Oh, and when I first purchased a PS2, part of my rationalizing the price at the time was the fact that I wanted a DVD player.

I would disagree with your assessment. If it's true, I can't imagine why it wouldn't change. Unless BR players are much less expensive then I think they will be, or streaming video becomes the next widely used tech in home movies, which I currently doubt it will to the extent that it really effects the HD end of the market. At least, in the near future.
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post #1651 of 2107
11/18/06 at 11:19am
Ouch, this hurts..... The article says PS3 is not all that.....

http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...560635,00.html
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11/18/06 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by bitemymac

Ouch, this hurts..... The article says PS3 is not all that.....

http://www.time.com/time/business/ar...560635,00.html

No - he says that the launch titles are not great except Resistance: Fall of Man and the games that are common with the 360. He does not say anything bad about the PS3 - it is a nicer unit than the 360 (replaceable hard drive, built in power supply, built in wireless, built in bluetooth, 7 controllers, HDMI, built in blu-ray, etc).
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post #1653 of 2107
11/18/06 at 11:54am
Here's quotes from few paragraphs:

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Look at what you get. The Playstation 3 is expensive: $500 or $600 bucks, depending on which version you buy, plus $60 for each game. (An Xbox 360 only costs $400 max, and Nintendo's Wii yep, that name, still funny is only $250.) For that kind of scratch you want the deluxe treatment, and the PS3 simply doesn't deliver it. It's got some good-looking games, but unless you have a top-notch TV, the difference isn't mind-blowing. (And even if you do have a fancy TV, Sony makes you supply your own HDMI cable. Stingy.) And Sony's launch line-up just isn't that interesting. Almost all the PS3's outstanding games F.E.A.R., Madden NFL '07, Need for Speed: Carbon, Call of Duty 3 are available on the Xbox 360, and most (all except F.E.A.R.) are out for the Wii, too. There just isn't the leverage there to make buying a PS3 de rigeur.

But so is Gears of War, the stunning shooter just out for the Xbox 360. Resistance isn't enough to drive sales of a $600 console, or it shouldn't be. Playstation 3 doesn't have a battle-tested, feature-rich online service the way the Xbox does. It doubles as a Blu-Ray DVD player (that's the main reason for the high retail price), but guess what? Nobody cares. And did I mention Playstation 3 controllers don't rumble? Whose genius idea was that? Without rumble, it just ain't a jungle.

Give it time. The price will (probably) come down. Sony's online strategy will (probably) mature. More decent games will come out the Playstation3 is notoriously difficult to develop for, and game-makers are still figuring out how to get the most out of it. Next holiday season, it just might be worth it.

For now it's pretty much moot anyway. Because of the difficulty of manufacturing Playstation 3's, Sony has only been able to put a few hundred thousand units on sale in the U.S., so unless you spent last night camped out in front of a Gamestop, buying a Playstation3 is not an option. Congratulations: you made the right call. And you smell better for it, too.
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post #1654 of 2107
11/18/06 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Elixir

backwards compatibility is overrated, HIGHLY overrated.

you're talking about the core gamers who purchse 5 or more games a year

average consumers dont get no where near those numbers

xbox 360 is compatible with all their popular games, i think thats sufficient enough.

I find it amusing and hypocritical that you'll criticise the PS3 for having 200 backward compatibility issues then dismiss the fact that the 360 only has roughly 200 games that it even supports, and some of them aren't perfect. It is by no means all the popular games, particularly if you are from outside the US and it is a blatant insult to anybody who owned an Xbox to even suggest the 360 is actually backward compatible. Or perhaps that is just a testament to the gulf that truly exists between Microsoft and Sony in terms of software support.

You must be young because you have no idea what most families are like. People that buy over 5 games a year are gamers and they tend to buy multiple systems because they are gamers at heart. Parents, and the people who are still buying PS2s or bought one over the last couple of years, who buy stuff for birthdays, are actually the core gaming audience as they make up the majority of the market. They are the people who value the ability to buy a console then invest in games down the line when the initial slug of a console is paid off.
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post #1655 of 2107
11/18/06 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by Telomar

I find it amusing and hypocritical that you'll criticise the PS3 for having 200 backward compatibility issues then dismiss the fact that the 360 only has roughly 200 games that it even supports, and some of them aren't perfect. It is by no means all the popular games, particularly if you are from outside the US and it is a blatant insult to anybody who owned an Xbox to even suggest the 360 is actually backward compatible. Or perhaps that is just a testament to the gulf that truly exists between Microsoft and Sony in terms of software support.

You must be young because you have no idea what most families are like. People that buy over 5 games a year are gamers and they tend to buy multiple systems because they are gamers at heart. Parents, and the people who are still buying PS2s or bought one over the last couple of years, who buy stuff for birthdays, are actually the core gaming audience as they make up the majority of the market. They are the people who value the ability to buy a console then invest in games down the line when the initial slug of a console is paid off.


first off i crticise sony for claims that they make as a company

"we have true HD", yet a majority of their games dont play in 1080p, and not to mention now it is unknown if the upscaling problem is hardware or software. what a b*tch that will be when people find out their 1080i tv's wont work for the ps3.

i criticise sony for its claim that the 360 ditched a majority of its xbox customers by not making ALL the games compatible (which is funny because most sony fanboys say the xbox only had a few great game) , and then they have issues with making those games work on the ps3.

and please dont talk abotu insulting people outside of the U.S because Sony has done nothing more but flat out crap on europe .

as for your last paragraph, i have no idea what you're trying to say there. the core audience (the make up of parents buying for their kids) which isn't even the core audience this time around (considering the gaming population has aged significantly) will buy the system and then invest in games later? explain that to me furhter since i'm assuming you're a family man.
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post #1656 of 2107
11/19/06 at 12:21pm
How did this thread get hijacked by the Microsoft/Sony game argument? Now that all the game machines are out, this debate doesn't belong in Future Hardware let alone this thread.

I value the debate between HD and BluRay. One would hope that those that want to argue the merits of XBox 360 and PS3 would start a new thread in General Discussions.
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post #1657 of 2107
11/19/06 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by OldCodger73

How did this thread get hijacked by the Microsoft/Sony game argument? Now that all the game machines are out, this debate doesn't belong in Future Hardware let alone this thread.

I value the debate between HD and BluRay. One would hope that those that want to argue the merits of XBox 360 and PS3 would start a new thread in General Discussions.

Let's not get anal retentive here. Microsoft's xBox 360 and Sony's PS3 are certainly on topic for this forum. One has BluRay and the other (is yet to) support HD-DVD. Gaming systems were a major part of the original DVD revolution, and I suspect they will play a big part in this DVD format revolution.

Case in point: I was at best buy today and a few guys were checking out the PS3 and the xBox. I overheard the father saying, "yea, It's 200 dollars more but it can play blu-ray DVDs". They bought the PS3.

The major advantage over BluRay that HD-DVD has right now is price. But I suspect Blu Ray players will be coming down in price quickly. Also at best buy I noticed that all of the Blu Ray dvd player boxes were gone but only one of the HD-DVD player boxes were gone. It would appear that more people are buying Blu-Ray...
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11/19/06 at 1:25pm
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Case in point: I was at best buy today and a few guys were checking out the PS3 and the xBox. I overheard the father saying, "yea, It's 200 dollars more but it can play blu-ray DVDs". They bought the PS3.

What city and state are you living in where there are just "spare" PS3s just sitting out on store shelfs? I find this a little hard to believe. 3 days after launch, there just happen to be PS3's sitting on a store shelf for people to walk up and buy, after people camped out to get them, and people with pre-orders are being told to wait. I'm calling bull-shit.

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The major advantage over BluRay that HD-DVD has right now is price. But I suspect Blu Ray players will be coming down in price quickly. Also at best buy I noticed that all of the Blu Ray dvd player boxes were gone but only one of the HD-DVD player boxes were gone. It would appear that more people are buying Blu-Ray...

And at my local best buy, they are sold out of HD-DVD players, and have a shelf full of the blu-ray players. Anecdotal vs anecdotal.

Amazon listing:

Toshiba HD-A1 #908
Xbox 360 #16 (In Computer & Video Games)
Xbox 360 HD Addon #53 (In Computer & Video Games)
Sony BDP-S1 #11,341
Samsung BD-P1000 #2,281
Panasonic #13,256
Philips BDP9000 #23,597
PS3 #775 (In Computer & Video Games)

According to this, HD-DVD looks to be more popular.
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post #1659 of 2107
11/19/06 at 2:44pm
even though i appreciate icefires defense that the gaming console debate should be in this thread, his blatant b.s regarding sony and the ps3 lmao was pretty damn amusing.
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11/19/06 at 4:15pm
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What city and state are you living in where there are just "spare" PS3s just sitting out on store shelfs? I find this a little hard to believe. 3 days after launch, there just happen to be PS3's sitting on a store shelf for people to walk up and buy, after people camped out to get them, and people with pre-orders are being told to wait. I'm calling bull-shit.



And at my local best buy, they are sold out of HD-DVD players, and have a shelf full of the blu-ray players. Anecdotal vs anecdotal.

Amazon listing:

Toshiba HD-A1 #908
Xbox 360 #16 (In Computer & Video Games)
Xbox 360 HD Addon #53 (In Computer & Video Games)
Sony BDP-S1 #11,341
Samsung BD-P1000 #2,281
Panasonic #13,256
Philips BDP9000 #23,597
PS3 #775 (In Computer & Video Games)

According to this, HD-DVD looks to be more popular.


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even though i appreciate icefires defense that the gaming console debate should be in this thread, his blatant b.s regarding sony and the ps3 lmao was pretty damn amusing.

Blatant BS? Thanks!

I live in Illinois (CU area) - There were no PS3's in stock, but they bought it anyways. The Best Buy guy said they had more coming in for Black Friday. Use your brains.

Anyways, neither Blu Rray or HD-DVD are selling much of anything, so at this point, its really anybodies game in terms of that. Blu Ray has an advantage in features and performance, supporting companies and movie studios, and HD-DVD (right now, but probably not for long) has an advantage in price.
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11/19/06 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by icfireball

Let's not get anal retentive here. Microsoft's xBox 360 and Sony's PS3 are certainly on topic for this forum. One has BluRay and the other (is yet to) support HD-DVD. Gaming systems were a major part of the original DVD revolution, and I suspect they will play a big part in this DVD format revolution.

Case in point: I was at best buy today and a few guys were checking out the PS3 and the xBox. I overheard the father saying, "yea, It's 200 dollars more but it can play blu-ray DVDs". They bought the PS3.

The major advantage over BluRay that HD-DVD has right now is price. But I suspect Blu Ray players will be coming down in price quickly. Also at best buy I noticed that all of the Blu Ray dvd player boxes were gone but only one of the HD-DVD player boxes were gone. It would appear that more people are buying Blu-Ray...


Please stop making up stories... You saw someone buying a PS3 off the shelf at BB?.... Who's dream was this? Or are you a fortune teller and can see 2 years in advance?

I'm not sure if you've even been to local BB and to the BD or HD-DVD section, but in most stores have stacks of boxes, mostly opened, of Samsung BD players, and almost empty shelves for the Toshiba.

Anyway, if you're not dreaming, please do tell me where I can pick up a PS3 other than ebay..... TIA!
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11/19/06 at 4:22pm
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Please stop making up stories... You saw someone buying a PS3 off the shelf at BB?.... Who's dream was this? Or are you a fortune teller and can see 2 years in advance?

I'm not sure if you've even been to local BB and to the BD or HD-DVD section, but in most stores have stacks of boxes, mostly opened, of Samsung BD players, and almost empty shelves for the Toshiba.

Anyway, if you're not dreaming, please do tell me where I can pick up a PS3 other than ebay..... TIA!

Idiot. Read above.
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11/19/06 at 5:38pm
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Idiot. Read above.

aren't ya little short?.... Obviously, you just heard about BD vs. HD-DVD, haven't ya?... I know you're excited about PS3 launch, but do little more research prior to sharing you views. Many things have changed since April of 2006 and your views are outdated.
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post #1664 of 2107
11/19/06 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by icfireball

Let's not get anal retentive here. Microsoft's xBox 360 and Sony's PS3 are certainly on topic for this forum. One has BluRay and the other (is yet to) support HD-DVD. Gaming systems were a major part of the original DVD revolution, and I suspect they will play a big part in this DVD format revolution.

Case in point: I was at best buy today and a few guys were checking out the PS3 and the xBox. I overheard the father saying, "yea, It's 200 dollars more but it can play blu-ray DVDs". They bought the PS3.

High definition movie playback will be crucial for these consoles, 360 doesn't do it and Microsoft are idiots for not including it out the box.

Why? Well I really didn't understand it myself until I bought a 360 recently.

360 plays games beautifully in 1080i high definition. However, when sticking in a DVD to watch, the drop in picture quality is actually quite unbelievable.

PS3 won't have this problem as ALL the media content will be high definition, and it will play all your old media as well.

Once you've gone high-def there really is no going back, for the same reason that all my hundreds of VHS movies have been in the loft for the past five years.
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11/19/06 at 5:41pm
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Case in point: I was at best buy today and a few guys were checking out the PS3 and the xBox. I overheard the father saying, "yea, It's 200 dollars more but it can play blu-ray DVDs". They bought the PS3.

i'm sorry but how am i supposed to use my brains for that statement? you said they "bought the ps3" not that they decided in the future they were going to buy it, you said "bought".

so how did you conclude by the father saying "but it can play bluray dvds" they were going to buy one in the future? since u were so sure of it you said "they bought a ps3".

they could have still been debating it afterwards.

dont go telling people what to do when you cant even communicate properly.
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11/19/06 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by womblingfree

High definition movie playback will be crucial for these consoles, 360 doesn't do it and Microsoft are idiots for not including it out the box.

Why? Well I really didn't understand it myself until I bought a 360 recently.

360 plays games beautifully in 1080i high definition. However, when sticking in a DVD to watch, the drop in picture quality is actually quite unbelievable.

PS3 won't have this problem as ALL the media content will be high definition, and it will play all your old media as well.

Once you've gone high-def there really is no going back, for the same reason that all my hundreds of VHS movies have been in the loft for the past five years.

360 has a HD-DVD add on that will let you watch HD-DVD movies for $159 at CC with a coupon. It should come with free King Kong and a remote. Having this choice at this time is more appropriate, since not all gamers would care to play HD-DVD movies on their gaming console. It would also be more appealing to price sensitve consumers and wouldn't need to pay for the unwanted HD movie functions. I'm sure once the HD-DVD rom drive price comes down to reasonable level, it would most likely replace regular DVD rom drives in the future models without raising the price. I'm expecting the xbox360 price to drop or offer a great rebate program by the holidays. Some stores already provide $100 mail-in rebate and will bring down the xbox360 core price to $199 after the rebate and $199 (or $159 if CC coupon is still valid thru the holidats) HD-DVD add on option will total $399 ($358 ) vs. $499 PS3 (which is likely not be readily available).

Actually M$ was smart enough to put in one of the best PQ HD-DVD to date for free, but Sony in the other hand placed in the average standard definition DVD like BD movie with the PS3. Not really sure who is really smarter here.....
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11/19/06 at 8:06pm
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aren't ya little short?.... Obviously, you just heard about BD vs. HD-DVD, haven't ya?... I know you're excited about PS3 launch, but do little more research prior to sharing you views. Many things have changed since April of 2006 and your views are outdated.

What are you talking about? I have NEVER owned a gaming gaming console in my life and I don't plan on doing so any time soon.

I don't think you should make blanket statements about things you don't know about. My views are not outdated, because I believe them now, and I base my beliefs in current information. Obviously from my original post you can infer that I think that Sony's use of Blu Ray in it's very popular gaming gaming console, in addition to it's superior performance, features, capacity, and industry/movie studio support, will lead to it's dominance. The HD-DVD players do have one current advantage I will admit: price. Which could be a big factor if Sony arrogantly keeps its price's unnecessarily inflated.

The closest I have come to buying a gaming console is this:


(and I don't use it for gaming)

or this:


(and I hardly think that counts either)



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i'm sorry but how am i supposed to use my brains for that statement? you said they "bought the ps3" not that they decided in the future they were going to buy it, you said "bought".

so how did you conclude by the father saying "but it can play bluray dvds" they were going to buy one in the future? since u were so sure of it you said "they bought a ps3".

they could have still been debating it afterwards.

dont go telling people what to do when you cant even communicate properly.

Again, you fail to use your brain. They DID buy it AND it was NOT in stock AND the Best Buy person said they would have more in on Friday. Let's put two and two together, and oh wait here is a concept! They purchased the PS3 to be picked up when it was in stock. I hope your brain didn't implode with the introduction of that concept. I will admit, I was a bit vague with my original post, but if you look at the meaning of the post, these details aren't important to what I was contributing to the discussion.
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11/19/06 at 10:55pm
oh mr ice, you sure they will be getting more in friday? really? that quickly? HIGHLY doubtful, so you need to just stop right there.

xbox had more capacity, more features, blah blah, and yet ps2 had the games, right? but now when the ps3 doesn't have all the games, its gonna win because of capacity and ability? blah, its going to come down to who has the exclusives and right now i think the 360 has the better exclusives.
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11/20/06 at 4:23am
Elixir

dont be an ass, its not his fault if the store doesnt get the product in on the day they said they would, plus that day hasnt come yet, so YOU cant prove it WONT happen...

FFS step back a LITTLE bit PLEASE.
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11/20/06 at 7:50am
I did some back searching and didn't find any reference to this article in EE Times:

Next-gen DVD war pre-empted?

According to the story, Broadcom is already shipping universal decoder chipsets and NEC is working on front-end chips. I can't imagine that getting both sets of optics in player is going to be simple or cheap.
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11/20/06 at 7:54am
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I did some back searching and didn't find any reference to this article in EE Times:

Next-gen DVD war pre-empted?

According to the story, Broadcom is already shipping universal decoder chipsets and NEC is working on front-end chips. I can't imagine that getting both sets of optics in player is going to be simple or cheap.

One product is already underway via Ricoh

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/09/n...d-and-blu-ray/

Using a 1mm thick diffraction plate with concentric grooves on each side, the new lasers can recognize what kind of disc you've inserted into a drive (be it CD, DVD, HD DVD or BD) and adjust the beam to play it. The ability to write data is further off because of the extra fire power necessary to make up for light lost to diffraction,

I expect another vendor or two to enter the market. Universals should be announced in 2007 and maturing in 2008.
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post #1672 of 2107
11/20/06 at 10:09am
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Wow, Microshafties unite! You're going to have to do better there ol ye elders of the Microsoft FUD clan. In all my life, I haven't seen the proportion of FUD, lies, and outright misinformation that spews from the Microsoft camp, and sadly from some individuals here. Why? That's a good question, but needless to say, the PS3 has sold out, has more players that have penetrated the market than HD DVD, and I would say is well on its way to meeting the 1,000,000 units to be sold by the end of the year. Things are looking good for Blu-ray, especially when you see the fact that you already have the Panasonic, the Samsung, and the Philips Blu-ray standalone players on the market with Sony and Pioneers players to hit the market in two weeks.

In regards to how well the PS3 stacks up to be in terms of Blu-ray movie playback, well, I'm reading it's the real deal...

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=3460

This thread is from individuals who have tested both sides of the street (Blu-ray and HD DVD) and have come away with their analysis with Blu-ray on the PS3 being the most impressive out of the two. The Blu-ray launch has finally really begun, and sadly (or more appropriately deservedly) I think HD DVD's days are numbered...
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post #1673 of 2107
11/20/06 at 10:18am
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Blu-ray can be found in the new James Bond movie, Casino Royale...

http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=3396

Interesting. 8)
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post #1674 of 2107
11/20/06 at 10:21am
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Remember the FUD, "50GB discs are a pipe dream!" That there was no way they'd be producing and using them for movies this year?

http://www.betanews.com/article/Sony...isc/1164041276

Yeah I did too, but reality then set in.
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post #1675 of 2107
11/20/06 at 10:34am
Universals are a terrible idea. Why should I pay two sets of royalties because of corporate greed?

Let the war continue and the fanboys can waste their money.

The rest of us will jump in when there's a standard format, or maybe not at all.
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post #1676 of 2107
11/20/06 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by marzetta7

Blu-ray can be found in the new James Bond movie, Casino Royale...

http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=3396

Interesting. 8)

Good old Product Placement. :-)

What studio is that movie from??

Edit: Sony Pictures (I clicked the link)
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post #1677 of 2107
11/20/06 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Frank777

Universals are a terrible idea. Why should I pay two sets of royalties because of corporate greed?

Let the war continue and the fanboys can waste their money.

The rest of us will jump in when there's a standard format, or maybe not at all.

I still think that the format that has the best chance to win is the one whose backers are prepared to loose the most money over the next two or three years.

XBox 360 success isn't as important for HD, as there are equivalent players available for about the same cost, but for BR PS3 sales are important for the time being as it's the cheapest entry into BR.

One aspect that's often overlooked is computer storage. Even though hard drives are cheap, a 50 or 100GB disc would be great for off-site storage. For something like this slow speeds are unimportant-- just do the copy overnight.

It doesn't really matter which format is outselling the other right now. IMO, for a HD or BR format to succeed and become anything more than a niche product like laserdiscs were, they must reach a critical mass and for that to happen they must gain broad consumer acceptance. This requires three things: a clearly acknowledge winner in the format war with the looser throwing in the towel; player prices dropping to consumer levels; and drastically reduced flat panel prices, a respected name brand 40" LCD or 42" plasma in the $800-900 range and a 46" LCD or 50" plasma at $1200.
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post #1678 of 2107
11/20/06 at 12:46pm
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Good old Product Placement. :-)

What studio is that movie from??

Edit: Sony Pictures (I clicked the link)

The whole movie was a damn Sony ad. Sony cell phone, Sony laptop, Sony DVD player, Sony camera...And some of the shit was just ridiculous the way they worked it in. I mean, come on...

I am surprised they didn't have a scene with Bond playing PS3, on a Sony HDTV, to practice for his card game...haha.
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post #1679 of 2107
11/20/06 at 12:48pm
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One aspect that's often overlooked is computer storage. Even though hard drives are cheap, a 50 or 100GB disc would be great for off-site storage. For something like this slow speeds are unimportant-- just do the copy overnight.

For the cost of a 100GB bluray disk, I could potentially just buy a 250GB hard drive, load it up a lot faster, and then store that offsite. Plus, don't hard drives last longer than optical media?
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post #1680 of 2107
11/20/06 at 1:36pm
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How did this thread get hijacked by the Microsoft/Sony game argument? Now that all the game machines are out, this debate doesn't belong in Future Hardware let alone this thread.

I value the debate between HD and BluRay. One would hope that those that want to argue the merits of XBox 360 and PS3 would start a new thread in General Discussions.


in case you didnt realise Europe hasnt gotten the PS3 yet, so its stil FUTURE HARDWARE here at least.
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