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post #761 of 2107
6/9/06 at 6:01pm
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30 degrees of vision x 60 = 1800 pixels.

I honestly don't see this paper saying television can resolve more detail than the human eye can perceive. They base their measurements by the eyes ability to resolve hair not pixels. I don't think you can replace one for the other.

The human eye is looking at reality which has far more resolution than television is able to show.

HD has trouble resolving fine detail such as hair without extreme image sharpening. I've seen magnified HD images and they cannot resolve fine detail anywhere near the point that the eye sees in real life. As you enlarge the image you see larger pixels.
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post #762 of 2107
6/9/06 at 7:56pm
I know my eyes see clearly to 19k
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post #763 of 2107
6/10/06 at 2:52am
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
discrepancies that are "OK" for audio (such as distortion and noise inherent to vacuum tubes), are much more objectionable in video.

This actually reminds me of a story I once heard where they had to roughen up the vocals on a singer because she sang too well. They thought nobody would believe it was really a person singing naturally so they added distortion and noise to make it less clean.
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6/10/06 at 6:12am
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Originally posted by TenoBell
The human eye is looking at reality which has far more resolution than television is able to show.

But your eyes are digital - you only have a finite number of rods and cones.

Thinking about it more, I think that I underestimated by half, though - if a person with 20/20 vision can discern 1800 hairs spanning 30 degrees, then the maximum viewable resolution is 3600 pixels (since there has to be a pixel for the hair, and a seperate pixel for the space between the hairs).

However, that resolution is only available 25 cm from the eye, and the fidelity of vision drops off as you go further away. I have the feeling that 1080p is close to the limit @ 30 degrees and 20', but maybe you could discern twice that if you have really good vision.
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post #765 of 2107
6/10/06 at 10:00am
RE the digital audio and valves statments...

valve reproduction is what we are used to, digitals sterile tag only comes about because its TOO good at sound reproduction.

the proof of this would be if we had all grown accustomed to digital sound for the last hundred odd years.... and some one plonked you down in front of a valve amp.. you would hear and HATE the distortions that valves introduce.

its only because we are all so used to the smearing that goes on in valve amplification and the subjectively "pleaseing" distortion thats introduced that we prefare it.

im taking here about stereo amplification not guitar amps of mic pre amps, which can benifit from a little smearing

{runs an ducks for cover from the valve amp crowd}

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post #766 of 2107
6/10/06 at 10:50am
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Originally posted by e1618978


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30 degrees of vision x 60 = 1800 pixels. 1080p is 1080x1920, which is greater than the maximum decernable resolution of 1800.


Even using your numbers (which ignores all the people who have better then 20/20 vision), wouldn't you need 1800x1800 pixels? The 1080 part is far below your stated maximum discernible resolution for average eyes.
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post #767 of 2107
6/10/06 at 12:14pm
Sorry to kind of change the tide of the recent discussion, but I just had a thought/question.

HD-DVD has the backing of the DVD forum, correct? So if it were to flop, and go under, the DVD forum would basically do the same (as Blu-Ray took off, and it outpaced sales of DVDs over time). Would the DVD forum allow this? Wouldn't they want to keep there group together, and have the winning next gen format? Aren't there over 200 members in the group, with many getting royalties off the name?

I don't know, just something I started thinking about.
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6/10/06 at 2:16pm
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Originally posted by Res
Even using your numbers (which ignores all the people who have better then 20/20 vision), wouldn't you need 1800x1800 pixels? The 1080 part is far below your stated maximum discernible resolution for average eyes.

Widescreen TV is set at 2.35:1 or 16:9, that part has already been decided for us. Nobody wants 1:1.

Also, even with one eyeball - the human visual field is not circular, but an oval. Once you factor in both eyes, it is an oval that is much wider than tall.
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6/10/06 at 2:26pm
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Originally posted by TenoBell
This isn't true across all circumstances. You have to take into account screen size and viewing distance.

Anything above 1080P is likely over kill on screens smaller than 27 inches.

If you are sitting 20 feet away from a 60 foot movie screen you would see the deficiencies of 1080P.

PS - based on my experience with imax movies, when you sit so close to the screen, you notice the frame rate a lot more. There is an imax movie with a girl doing scottish dancing, and her whole head turns into a blur.

I don't know how many frames get shown per second on an imax movie (24?), but it is clearly not enough. I don't know why this is - maybe our peripherial vision is more sensitive to frame rate than our central vision.

Just another reason not to sit so close, besides the cricked neck you get 8)
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post #770 of 2107
6/10/06 at 5:00pm
Holy shat

The Underworld on Blu-Ray is going to be $40!!!

Damned DL discs!!!
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6/10/06 at 5:13pm
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Originally posted by hmurchison
Holy shat

The Underworld on Blu-Ray is going to be $40!!!

Damned DL discs!!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...v=glance&n=130

underworld blu-ray: list $38.95, amazon price $27.29

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...v=glance&n=130

house of flying daggers blu-ray: list $28.95, amazon price $19.99

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...v=glance&n=130

bourne supremacy hd-dvd: list $34.98, amazon price $24.99

Anyway, movies and movie prices will have ZERO effect on this format war. Only the PS3 release matters, only videophiles (less than 1% of the market) will buy now, but blu-ray players will dominate a few years from now when regular folks start buying high-def movies.

Without the PS3, the HD-DVD/Blu-ray battle is a tempest in a teapot, just like SACD vs DVD-A was. The PS3 will play SACD also, btw, so maybe that battle will work out after all anyway.
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post #772 of 2107
6/10/06 at 7:08pm
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There is an imax movie with a girl doing scottish dancing, and her whole head turns into a blur.

That can depend on a few factors. Her head could have simply been out of focus, the cameras shutter angle, how fast was the action moving, or the speed of camera panning. All of these effect motion blur.

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I don't know how many frames get shown per second on an imax movie (24?), but it is clearly not enough. I don't know why this is - maybe our peripherial vision is more sensitive to frame rate than our central vision.

Actually in a movie theater you are not watching 24 fps. There is a double leaf shutter in the projector that spins and cuts the light so the screen is being flashed with 48 frames per second.

True 24 frames per second is actually below the threshold of persistent vision where the brain is no longer tricked into seeing motion and can see a flicker of still images.

Yes temporal resolution is improved with a higher frame rate, which can lower motion blur.
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post #773 of 2107
6/10/06 at 7:15pm
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Originally posted by e1618978
Widescreen TV is set at 2.35:1 or 16:9, that part has already been decided for us. Nobody wants 1:1.

Also, even with one eyeball - the human visual field is not circular, but an oval. Once you factor in both eyes, it is an oval that is much wider than tall.

Very true -- so using your 30 degree field of view (ignoring the 50% of the people who like to sit closer for a wider viewing angle, and 30% of the population that has better then 20/20 vision), you would need about 1800x4230 (2.35:1) or 1800x3200 (16:9) pixels to keep the correct ratio and meet your stated maximum discernible resolution for average human eyes in both the horizontal and vertical. 1080P is a step up from what we are using now, but it is not the end all format, and I doubt that it will last very long (maybe a decade).
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post #774 of 2107
6/10/06 at 10:21pm
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Originally posted by kupan787
Ya, there is a theater out in San Jose (Century 21) that is huge. Not sure on the size, but it is one huge dome, with only one screen. The seating capacity is nuts as well. I saw all of the Matrix, LOTR, and Star Wars (1, 2, and 3) movies there on opening night and it is an experience (being with thousands, watching a huge ass screen, with a booming sounds system).

Also, not sure where I read it, but I am pretty sure that film is higher resolution than todays HD. So if theaters start going digital (which some of them are, like Century 22 here in San Jose has a digital projector, and played Star Wars in digital), and they want to keep the resolution of film, I think higher resolution digital would be welcome on screens of this size. 1080p is not the end all be all of resolution.

the movie industry doesn't understand why there has been a drop in movie attendances over the years.... they are idiots.

the prices have gone up like crazy and yet a majority of theatres around the country are crap holes. the picture in some of them are so crappy, whats the point?


major theatres need to go to digital projection. seriously, before everyone decides to rent instead of opting for the threatre.
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post #775 of 2107
6/10/06 at 10:25pm
How does digital projection fix movie theater from being crap hole?

Digital projection is more expensive and requires more technical skill than 35mm projection.

Problems with digital projection can keep a movie from playing at all.
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post #776 of 2107
6/10/06 at 11:31pm
I am not a fan of the 20 theater multi-screen theater, where there are two semi-decent movie screens, and then 18 small/crap screens. That is why I love going home, and seeing big movies on the Century 21 screen. It is an experience. I gladly pay my $9/ticket to go there. Hell, I would still pay $9/ticket to go over to Century 22, and see it in digital (yes, its a small screen, because one dome is split in half, but it is still better than most). But paying $9/ticket to see a movie on a small/crap screen, in a 3/4 empty theater is not worth it. I'd rather invite over some friends, and pop in a DVD and watch it on my 56" HDTV.
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6/12/06 at 5:37am
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Originally posted by Res
Very true -- so using your 30 degree field of view (ignoring the 50% of the people who like to sit closer for a wider viewing angle, and 30% of the population that has better then 20/20 vision), you would need about 1800x4230 (2.35:1) or 1800x3200 (16:9) pixels to keep the correct ratio and meet your stated maximum discernible resolution for average human eyes in both the horizontal and vertical. 1080P is a step up from what we are using now, but it is not the end all format, and I doubt that it will last very long (maybe a decade).

You are using 30 degree vertical, not horizontal, in your calculations. That is a damn huge screen.

30 degree horizontal (and 15 degree vertical) is what I was talking about (for which 1080p is fine).
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post #778 of 2107
6/12/06 at 9:17am
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You are using 30 degree vertical, not horizontal, in your calculations. That is a damn huge screen.

30 degree horizontal (and 15 degree vertical) is what I was talking about (for which 1080p is fine).

Its not fine as that's the worst seat in a theater. More than 50% of the folks prefer to sit closer than the last row of the theater (just by observing where folks sit in a theater). 30 degrees horizontal viewing angle is the minimum found to produce immersion...hence the spec for HDTV.

Also your assumptions are incorrect. Humans can see objects far smaller than 1 arc minute in darkfield situations (ie the night sky). Otherwise we wouldn't be able to see stars. Detection acuity is far higher than the ability to resolve.

Also when you have lines (horizontal or vertical) humans can see (detect) much smaller objects than 1 arc minute as in the aformentioned power lines (yes, they do sag but they aren't diagonal which appears to be harder to see).

While you cannot resolve stars (or planets) or power lines not seeing them will reduce immersion. Seeing these objects, even if you can't resolve them, increases immersion. This perhaps one reason why gigapixel murals appear more life like than lower resolution murals (http://www.gigapxl.org/).

This is ignoring that the range for normal human acuity ranges from .7 to 1 arc minutes. 1080p is barely acceptable for home theater.

Sit further away (required by lower resolution or just better eyesight) and you do not get immersion effects. Sit closer and you start to see pixel structure.

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post #779 of 2107
6/12/06 at 2:12pm
Yeah, have fun getting higher than 1080p.
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6/13/06 at 12:02pm
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Sony Pictures Home Entertainment to Deliver First Blu-Ray Titles to Retail in One Week; Countdown to Eagerly Awaited New Era in Home Entertainment Begins

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...77&newsLang=en
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CULVER CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 13, 2006--Sony Pictures Home Entertainment (SPHE) will launch the first slate of Blu-ray Disc (BD) titles in just one week, on June 20, 2006. The delivery of the first seven BD titles, timed to coincide with the first commercially available BD player from Samsung Electronics and BD-compatible VAIO PC from Sony, marks the beginning of a new era in home entertainment that will forever change the way consumers look at, listen to and play movies, music and games.


Titles available at retail June 20 from SPHE include: "50 First Dates," starring Adam Sandler and Drew Barrymore; Luc Besson's visually stunning "The Fifth Element;" the hit blockbuster comedy starring Will Smith, "Hitch;" "House of Flying Daggers" from director Zhang Yimou; "XXX," starring Vin Diesel; "The Terminator," featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger; and the follow-up to the hit action-thriller "Underworld," from director Len Wiseman and starring Kate Beckinsale, "Underworld Evolution."

"Ultraviolet," the first day-and-date BD title from SPHE will debut one week later on June 27, along with "The Last Waltz" (MGM) and "A Knight's Tale."

"Ultraviolet," an adrenaline-charged sci-fi thriller starring Milla Jovovich ("Resident Evil Apocalypse," "Fifth Element"), was filmed entirely in high definition. "Ultraviolet's" stunning visuals, including high-flying action stunt sequences, and audio are dramatically enhanced by the Blu-ray format, making it an ideal way for consumers to experience Blu-ray Disc for the first time.

On July 11th, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment will release "Basic Instinct 2: Risk Addition" on Blu-ray. "Kung Fu Hustle," "Legends of the Fall," "Stealth," "Species," "SWAT" and "Resident Evil Apocalypse" will debut on Blu-ray Disc July 25th.

Please contact the SPHE press office for Blu-ray spokesperson availability and artwork.
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post #781 of 2107
6/13/06 at 12:50pm
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Sony Pictures Home Entertainment to Deliver First Blu-Ray Titles to Retail in One Week; Countdown to Eagerly Awaited New Era in Home Entertainment Begins

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...77&newsLang=en

Yep countdown begins alright. Lets see, T-Minus 56 days and counting until I can play these movies. Is that the countdown Sony was talking about? And this assumes there are no more delays (this is what, like the third one now?)

Sony Delaying Blu-Ray player until Late August (and in case you want it from the horses mouth)
Looks like Pioneer is as well
...and Samsung

(Edit: to add additional links)
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post #782 of 2107
6/13/06 at 1:00pm
The Samsung may indeed ship late this month. I was in compUSA last weekend and they had the pre-order for the Sammy unit on the front page. Who knows how many will actually be available.

Sony is delayed to Aug 15th and Pioneer has said some time in Sept. The good news is the players don't seem that buggy from what some people testing beta units have stated.

Other good news

Hybrid player/recorders will be coming

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As the battle between DVD+RW and DVD-RW writers simply resulted in hybrid writers, the same is likely to take place with the next generation DVD market with BenQ already having plans to introduce a hybrid writer capable of handling both Blu-ray and HD DVD discs. They also plan to offer a hybrid set-top HD recorder which can also read from or record HD broadcasts to either format.

That's great news. If BenQ and LG can spur the Universal Player market then many people will just buy one player and ensure they can play all discs.
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post #783 of 2107
6/13/06 at 1:04pm
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The Samsung may indeed ship late this month. I was in compUSA last weekend and they had the pre-order for the Sammy unit on the front page. Who knows how many will actually be available.

Ya, and I can go pre-order the Sony player, which isn't coming out until August. Pre-order means nothing for the actually shipping date. While the Samsung player might ship this month, the fact you can pre-order it doesn't mean much of anything. We will see when it does in deed start shipping.

As far as hybrid drives go, I can't wait. But I wonder how that will or will not effect the studios that are making movies. If universal players become the norm, which format do you make your movie on?
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post #784 of 2107
6/13/06 at 1:14pm
kupan787

Thats a good question. I imagine this scenario for Universal Players.

Smaller Studios would go HD DVD to save on production costs.

Larger studios with long running titles would choose DL BD-ROM

Look at the coverage we'd have.

15GB SL HD DVD
25GB- SL BD-ROM
30GB DL HD DVD
50GB- DL BD-ROM

That gives a content provider the ability to match their titles to a format. Thus we could see

short term shows on SL discs either format

Feature Length Films on DL HD DVD or SL BD-ROM

Premium Feature Length Films on DL BD-ROM (these would have copious extras and mandated Lossless 7.1 audio)

Univ Players would have to become the defacto standard though and this would take a few years.
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post #785 of 2107
6/13/06 at 2:00pm
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Originally posted by kupan787
Yep countdown begins alright. Lets see, T-Minus 56 days and counting until I can play these movies. Is that the countdown Sony was talking about? And this assumes there are no more delays (this is what, like the third one now?)

Sony Delaying Blu-Ray player until Late August (and in case you want it from the horses mouth)
Looks like Pioneer is as well
...and Samsung

(Edit: to add additional links)

I had a feeling someone was going to pull out the Samsung link about the supposed delay; however, this is only for the UK and according to Sammy was the plan all along, sorry mates. Here is confirmation that Samsung will indeed release in the US on June 25th...

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/002257.html

Nice try with the FUD though there kupan787.
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6/13/06 at 2:06pm
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My favorite part of the link above...

"Samsung hopes to avoid the drought of product that Toshiba experienced with its HD DVD player launch back in April. "We'll be in more than 2000 storefronts at launch, and we will have multiple units available at each of these locations," says Sanduski. "Will we sell out? I hope so. We are launching with more storefronts and more quanitity than Toshiba." Samsung plans to sell the BD-P1000 at Best Buy, Circuit City, select Sears stores, electronics specialty stores like Tweeter and Magnolia Audio Video, and other electronics specialty and consumer electronics regional stores nationwide."

And this is just Sammy, with Philips, Sony, Pioneer, and Sharp to follow. It is going to be an interesting summer!
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6/13/06 at 4:11pm
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Nice try with the FUD though there kupan787.

Um, 2 of the links (Sony and Pioneer) were valid, and do show that their players are being delayed. The Samsung one was a rumor, and I guess I should have clearly stated that. I wasn't trying to spread FUD, I just stated 2 facts and a rumor. I know the way I was stating it did put a negative slant on Blu-Ray (only because you seem like you love to slam HD-DVD any and every chance you get). Good for Samsung if they get their player out in June. Competition is good.
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6/13/06 at 4:12pm
HD-DVD being first to market isn't necessarily an advantage, Blu-ray could sweep in and become more popular.

There are working Sony Blu-ray players, I recently saw a demonstration at the Sony Style store on Madison Avenue in New York.

Playstation 2 is still outselling both the XBox and XBox 360. Part of that is likely price, but also the fact that Playstation has a strong brand name which is likely to continue with the Playstation 3.
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6/13/06 at 6:10pm
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HD-DVD being first to market isn't necessarily an advantage, Blu-ray could sweep in and become more popular.

There are working Sony Blu-ray players, I recently saw a demonstration at the Sony Style store on Madison Avenue in New York.

Playstation 2 is still outselling both the XBox and XBox 360. Part of that is likely price, but also the fact that Playstation has a strong brand name which is likely to continue with the Playstation 3.

First to market is a slight advantage but in addition to "FtM" Toshiba has a pricing advantage as well. I'm interested in how many people out there perceive Samsung as a brand worth of spending a grand on. We'll soon see if they ship this month.

I know I'm looking forward to the launch. The pending BD launch seems to have had an effect on Universal which is lowering its pricing. Amazon has most BD movies at $20 and at that price I'm going to be owning a lot of movies. I think it'll force the HD DVD movie pricing down as well.

I'm beginning to get the feeling that Toshiba is basically going to go it alone until the xmas buying season and I expect more HD DVD players from other vendors to be announced for next 2007's year-long push. I could be wrong but I'd expect to see something else announced by sept if they plan to make it for xmas.

2nd gen hardware is going to be easier to make a profit off of for both platforms as lower pricing. Now I just need an AV Receiver with 3-1 HDMI inputs.
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6/13/06 at 6:33pm
There is a mantra about being the first one to do something.

You allow competitors to see your mistakes then come behind you and execute what you attempted to do better.
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6/13/06 at 9:50pm
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There is a mantra about being the first one to do something.

You allow competitors to see your mistakes then come behind you and execute what you attempted to do better.

The other thing is that Toshiba isn't a brand folks seem particularly loyal to...

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6/13/06 at 10:26pm
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There is a mantra about being the first one to do something.

You allow competitors to see your mistakes then come behind you and execute what you attempted to do better.

People also seem to forget that the Sony Betamax was the first home videocassette recorder on the market in 1975. A lot of good that did for Sony. And closer to home, Apple beat IBM to market with personal computers by several years, not to mention predating Microsoft with mice and the point & click GUI. (I told friends in 1983 that the mouse was going to be the next BIG thing, but nobody would listen to me.)
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6/14/06 at 5:32am
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The other thing is that Toshiba isn't a brand folks seem particularly loyal to...

Vinea

I've known plenty of people loyal to Toshiba TVs. However Sony probably the mindshare with the avg joe sixpack. I can't count how many times I've heard "Sony's the best". You automatically know this person has seen too many Sony and Bose commercials LOL.

First to market is an advantage albeit a small one. Where Blu-Ray is going to hurt is price unless they can get price parity within a generation or two. I think they can but Chinese HD DVD players are going to set the pricing trend by end of 2007 from what I read.
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6/14/06 at 6:03am
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Titles available at retail June 20 from SPHE include...Luc Besson's visually stunning "The Fifth Element" ..."Ultraviolet," the first day-and-date BD title from SPHE will debut one week later on June 27..."Resident Evil Apocalypse" will debut on Blu-ray Disc July 25th.

Is Milla Jovovich one of the major investors in Blu-ray or something?
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6/14/06 at 8:29am
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Digitals sterile tag only comes about because its TOO good at sound reproduction.

Not really. Digital is just a representation of the original analog source. If it was recorded digitally it was probably done at 24bit/92KHz originally and then dithered down to 16bit/44.1KHz for the CD format. It's clean but flat sounding. Too much information is lost. That is why it is sterile sounding. The CD is a rather poor format for reproducing digital music accurately. It will always be a compromise as that was the best they could do when the format was first introduced without splitting albums into two discs.

Most of my LPs sound better overall than my CDs of the same recordings. On the other hand comparing them to a DVD-A or SACD of the same recording can have different results. They are closer to the original recording and sound far better than the CD format. Of course it depends heavily on what type of music you listen to. It's too bad these formats are languishing in the marketplace as they can actually make digital sound good. Most people are not concerned with sound quality though. With so much distorted and over processed junk being produced these days it often doesn't matter.

What were we talking about? Oh yeah. HD Video formats. Both the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray groups have screwed up their launches in different ways. I'm on the side of Blu-Ray but honestly I want to strangle them sometimes.

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post #796 of 2107
6/14/06 at 8:32am
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Is Milla Jovovich one of the major investors in Blu-ray or something?

No, but Milla Jovovich in HD is something worth investing in.

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6/14/06 at 8:49am
So I'm interested, now that the titles in both HD-DVD and BD are out/coming out, what does MMC mean practically speaking? Do the cases advertise that you can make a legal copy of the movie for your personal use (I doubt it)? Is it a full quality (1080p) copy? or a DVD quality one (480p)? Or an iPod quality one? Or can you choose? Or does anyone even know, considering these next-gen drives aren't available for computers yet?

I'm guessing that Apple has the opportunity here to really set the standard for how to handle this MMC stuff. It seems so chaotic and unorganized: a perfect opprtunity for Apple to come in, clean up the mess, and start the ball rolling: an iTunes for your video collection.
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post #798 of 2107
6/14/06 at 8:51am
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Sorry to kind of change the tide of the recent discussion, but I just had a thought/question.

HD-DVD has the backing of the DVD forum, correct? So if it were to flop, and go under, the DVD forum would basically do the same (as Blu-Ray took off, and it outpaced sales of DVDs over time). Would the DVD forum allow this? Wouldn't they want to keep there group together, and have the winning next gen format? Aren't there over 200 members in the group, with many getting royalties off the name?

I don't know, just something I started thinking about.

Correct HD DVD has the "backing" of the DVD forum, but it is pretty much a baseless backing. This is due to the fact that most of the companies that are a part (I mean a really good part) of the DVD forum joined the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) and a good portion of them decided to be Blu-ray exclusively. Why? I think it had something to do with the way (like changing the way absentee votes were counted) HD DVD when about championing their format within the forum, thus a mass move to the BDA. So, in general, when you hear HD DVD has the "backing of the DVD Forum comprised of over 200 industry leaders, etc. etc" it is a misleading statement to say the least since one, not all 200 members actually support HD DVD, and two, there really aren't that many, 200 companies, that supoort it. So, to answer your question, I don't think the DVD Forum will have much say or clout in terms of not allowing Blu-ray to succeed seeing how much of its support has left to the BDA.

In addition, there are indeed 170+ companies comprising the BDA and yes, many of the companies will be getting royalties.
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6/14/06 at 9:00am
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So I'm interested, now that the titles in both HD-DVD and BD are out/coming out, what does MMC mean practically speaking? Do the cases advertise that you can make a legal copy of the movie for your personal use (I doubt it)? Is it a full quality (1080p) copy? or a DVD quality one (480p)? Or an iPod quality one? Or can you choose? Or does anyone even know, considering these next-gen drives aren't available for computers yet?

I'm guessing that Apple has the opportunity here to really set the standard for how to handle this MMC stuff. It seems so chaotic and unorganized: a perfect opprtunity for Apple to come in, clean up the mess, and start the ball rolling: an iTunes for your video collection.

MMC stands for Mandatory Managed Copy. I don't think anything specific has come out regarding this capability since most 1st gen drives don't come with this capability to my knowledge. I believe the copies will be full quality which will be nice in that we can put the copies through every day use and keep the original as a master.

Both next-gen drives are available for computers and laptops. They just don't have the MMC technology to come along with it. The Blu-ray drives are even capable of BD-R and BD-RW along with your typical playback of DVDs, CDs, etc.

Also, I agree, Apple has a wonderful opportunity here to really shine.
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6/14/06 at 9:10am
There is a review of the Samsung Blu-Ray player over at the AVS forums. It looks like it is designed as an actual disc player and takes just 15 seconds to load a disc. The Toshiba HD-DVD player on the other hand is actually a PC with long booting times. This was probably done to save costs and hit the market early.

LINK

Lots of images on the second page!

EDIT: Specific times

5 seconds from power on to accepting a disc and 15 seconds to start playing the disc. So about 20 seconds to play a move compared to about a minute and a half to do the same thing on Toshiba's HD-DVD player.

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