Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD (2006) - Page 3

Nope, sure don't. Why?, economies of scale. Face it, this is the proverbial stake which will be thrust through the heart of HD-DVD. HD-DVD simply and truthfully does NOT have the amount of consumer electronics backing that Blu-Ray does, nor studio support. PS3 is expected to be $399 or $499, output 1080P, and feature the Cell processor with a kick-ass RSX graphics engine from NVIDIA;enough said, HD-DVD is done. A couple more months, and you will know this as a reality. You act as if the PS3 will never see the light of day--a very weak assumption. What more do you need to know about the PS3? Do you need closure on the price alone? Patience, you'll get it--the price--soon enough and there are strategies involved as you must be aware. Just because Sony hasn't disclosed the price doesn't equate to "you don't know shit about the PS3 yet." Moreover, I wouldn't be suprised if Toshiba was already selling their HD-DVD player at $500 at a loss in their act of desperation. At least with the PS3, this type of act--selling at a loss--is expected and is the norm as Sony will recoup costs through purchases of games and add-ons just as Microsoft does with their XBox.


Wrong, and there are many examples where this logic is dead wrong. You don't have to go any farther than look at the example of Apple's iPod. Apple wasn't selling iPods like their cheap mp3 counterparts from the likes of Rio, Creative, and Dell, were they? All of the companies had and have cheaper music players available than the iPod, but nonetheless, Apple is still dominant. How is that so, if "price trumps all?" Your argument is a result of blind partiality. Speaking of partiality...


Pffffffft! Please! Seriously, I almost dropped a deuce right here in my chair because I was laughing so hard when I read this. The only reason you are "one of the lone voices supporting HD-DVD" is because of your gross partiality for HD-DVD and your inherent knack of dismissing facts. I'm not sure if it stems from your distaste of Sony whom we've already established as a company that you just don't like, or if it is something else. Maybe because you get your information from a Microsoft employee over at AVS is why you are so impartial (Sacrcasm inserted here)...? In any case, impartial would definitely not be the word I would describe your "sole" argument to be which is price. And, as I've already stated, price does NOT trump all and if you are indeed impartial as you claim to be you would realize that the facts--more consumer electronics backing, more studio support and movies, better quality (1080P vs 1080i), more storage space, and more durability--are all going for Blu-Ray which gives it its "momentum." If you expect us to believe that by HD-DVD announcing a low price point in what is a first adopter/cream-of-the-crop market (see Telomar's argument as $500 for just a player alone is still too high for mass adoption) will give HD-DVD momentum, you are just fooling yourself.


Nonsense. There is no equality. How is a standalone HD-DVD player equal to a PS3 which is a Blu-Ray player and a gaming console, and one that will have internet gaming capabilities (and that may be even selling at $399)? Answer, they're not, nice try. Again, take your average consumer when they walk into your local Best Buy, they see the Toshiba--how can you miss it, it's big--HD-DVD player, and a bit down the way, they see a sleeker, smaller, PS3. Which one are they going to choose? The clunky player that can only play movies (at only 1080i mind you) or the sleeker, smaller PS3 that will play Blu-Ray movies at 1080P? Huuuugh? What's this? The walls are covered with Blu-Ray movies too! (Since they have more studio backing.) You do the math, the consumer will more than likely choose the PS3. Moreover, there will be cheaper Blu-Ray players and many more varieties and quantities than HD-DVD players soon enough, so don't go thinking Toshiba and company have the format war all locked up based on an initial price point. Or actually, you go ahead and do that, buy your Toshiba player, and tell me if you feel good about your purchase two years from now, since you are feeling so confident.


Sounds to me someone is trying to have it both ways or simply sounding like someone who isn't as confident has he states, so when his beloved format does fail, he can always say, "Well, I have no problem with it because...blah, blah, blah." By the way, the oligarchy with a touch of monarchy (Microsoft)here would be Toshiba and Microsoft as it--an oligarchy--is rule or government by a faction or a few. The oligarchy of computer companies that you allude to being Blu-Ray companies are, in comparitive terms, many. The oligarchy label, therefore doesn't really apply for Blu-Ray.

Thanks for the pictures. Blu-ray's BD-Java interactive menus look leaps and bounds better than what was shown for HD-DVD's iHD inteactive menus. I wish I could see more of the interactive menus of both formats to see if that holds true. In the meantime though, it looks like BD-Java is the right choice.

Hehehe. You remind me of Jim Carey in Liar Liar, "Your honor, I object!...(Judge)Why?...Because it's devastating to my case!" So I guess because the example didn't fit into your mold of thinking, it is therefore a poor comparison. You want more examples...

Microsoft Windows vs. Linux
Microsoft Office vs Any Office Suite
Coke and Pepsi vs Your Local Supermarket Soda Brand
Dell/HP computer vs. Your home-built PC
Sony Playstation or Xbox vs Nintendo

Hmm, see a trend here? Yup. All those companies on the left charge more than those on the right, yet they haven't been "trumped" by price. You want more examples? Go look them up yourself,...there are many, many more. The comparisons are not poor, your ridiculous argument claiming that "price trumps all" is what is poor.

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more studio support and movies, better quality (1080P vs 1080i), more storage space, and more durability
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More studio support--you wish it is subject to change, but clearly the "momentum" is behind Blu-ray. That this could possibly be in a very, remote, distant, and delusional way change, still doesn't take away the FACT that Blu-ray has more studio support. Nice try though, still a fact.
Better quality--cannot be proven? What are you talking about? 1080P is better quality than 1080i and granted that some, and I mean some (specifically the Samsung Blu-ray player shipping in April) will output 1080i, most Blu-ray players will be outputting 1080P. This was shown, or in other words, dare I say...PROVEN, in the players at CES whereas I don't see anywhere in the spec of HD-DVD they will be outputting 1080P. And unless, you can show me otherwise, this so far as I know, is a FACT as well.
More storage space--yup, FACT.
More durability--Blu-ray discs will come with Durabis or a protective coating equivalent. HD-DVD,...oh yeah, they'll have the same protection as current DVDs which is pretty much nothing.

Conjecture, hardly. It is only conjecture to a mind that thinks, in an absolute sense, price trumps all. For those that know that there are indeed more variables to the success of a format than just price, they'll be more apt to see that your argument is the one based on conjecture.


No the assumption is that MOST will get what gives them more bang for their buck. That is, they'll choose the PS3 because, one, it looks sleeker and better, two, plays movies and games, and three, will provide a better quality picture by outputting 1080P. That, my friend, is a fair and good assumption. Heck, borderline guaranteed.

You Google LG BD199, it--a Blu-ray player from the same company--is just as "sleek" you think the HD-DVD player is from LG Electronics. In my opinion, still not as sleek as the PS3, but that's another topic. You are aware LG is producing Blu-ray players too, right? Which one will they choose, the HD-199 with limited studio support or the BD-199 that will play all the movies from 5 out of the 6 major Hollywood studios? Hmm? Oh, but there's that whole content thing again! Doh!

Digital Playground (40% marketshare) of the adult industry weighs in on the side of Blu-Ray...

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=12735

Some news for those who believe that the next generation high definition format will be decided by the porn industry.

Actually, I'm in agreement with you here. Although, the support of adult video will indeed help the establishment of Blu-Ray as the next high definition standard, I, too don't think it is the all-deciding factor for Blu-ray adoption. However, I simply posted this information for those who put a lot of weight behind the history of Betamax/VHS and the porn industry.


Well, in my opinion, I've been waiting simply for HDTV sets to be just that--HDTV. More specifically, 1080P capable sets, that is sets that are capable of displaying 1920 X 1080 resolution progressive, are just being made available and have the price tag to come with it. I haven't wanted to buy an HDTV set yet because quite frankly, up until now they really weren't HDTVs. They just had the marketing going for them, but in reality, they were sets with 1024 X 768 resolution or something worse blown up on a 50in screen--it looked crappy to me. However, I believe the standard hd resolution of 1920 X 1080 will become the norm for HDTVs and prices will fall so consumers fearing outmoded TVs won't have to really worry about that. Moreover, once consumers see content that is in 1080P from the like of Blu-ray, consumers will come flocking. Also, I think the article is kind of embellishing the issue of consumers being scared off. I think normal people are just waiting for the technology to get within their price range. So, I don't really think it--viewing technology--is in a state of flux, but rather a state of progression.

Apple backs Blu-ray. It is a member of the board of directors of the BDA. Some will try to tell you that Apple supports both but that is simply not the case. I fully expect Apple to include Blu-ray drives by the end of this year in its personal computers or by Macworld 2007.