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Originally posted by Blackcat
Why do some of you think we'll still see Powerbooks? Steve made it quite clear the Power naming is over. MacBook Pro is the new name for Apples pro laptop.

PowerBook = MacBook Pro / iBook = MacBook

The iMac and Mac mini remain as they already have 'Mac' in the name but the PowerMac is a bit of a mystery. It too already has 'Mac' in the name but also has 'Power" which SJ said they were done with. Mac Pro?

This is all going to take some getting used to.

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post #42 of 78
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Originally posted by 1984
PowerBook = MacBook Pro / iBook = MacBook

Indeed, I'm not sure why some people can't see that.

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The iMac and Mac mini remain as they already have 'Mac' in the name but the PowerMac is a bit of a mystery. It too already has 'Mac' in the name but also has 'Power" which SJ said they were done with. Mac Pro?

This is all going to take some getting used to.

I think Mac Pro.

It will take some getting used to, and I can see why people don't like it, but marketing is a mystery.
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post #43 of 78
I was pretty sure the powerbook was but people on the broads are saying its the new iBook. I don't know where they got information.

The name Macbook Pro is a good name and for most of you it will grow on you. Its just like when a car comes out and you think its ugly as all heck, but then a couple months done the road you catch yourself saying "Man thats one nice looking car." Give the Macbook a few months and you will be saying the same thing.
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My only question is if I order today will my card be charged now (bad) or in Febuary (good).

But I *am* ordering!


they charged my card today... but then I don't really care much
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post #45 of 78
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Why not a 17" Macbook?

The 15" MacBook is just a start. The MacBook I think is for those who feel they need a laptop with an Intel processor now. Introducing one machine is good because that gives Apple time and room to work out the kinks and the bugs. If the MacBook Pro shows signs of serious prolems Apple still offers the old line of laptops. If all goes well Apple can transition the whole line faster.

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Not impressed, I thought the switch to Intel was supposed to lower prices...

Apple never said it would lower prices. The computer has dual processor for the same price, what're people complaining about?

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Why not FW800? That's absurd for video professionals on the field!

Actually most all professional video equipment use Firewire 400. That's becasue Intel does not support Firewire 800, therefore very few PC's have FireWire 800. Mac's are the only OEM machines I know of that ship with Firewire 800. The result is there really is no huge demand for FireWire 800.

Hopefully in the near future Apple and Intel will work out these differences and Intel will support Firewire 800 and Apple will support wireless USB.

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And the iSight onslaught continues...

As far as the iSight. I'm sure there are several imaginative ways to disable it. Paint black over it, etc. I guess it would be easier for the customer overall if Apple just offerd an iSightless version.

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are we to assume these processors are 64bit? it would seem stupid for them not to be but it doesnt seem to mention it newhere.

Intel Core Duo are 32 bit chips. Intel will not offer a 64 bit Core chip until later this year.


With the name MacBook Pro. Its true that's not as elegant a name as PowerBook. At the same time PowerBook had become too good of a name. To the point that some people were calling laptops PowerBooks in general not only for Mac's.

Going to Intel Apple needs to build strong brand recognition for Macintosh.
post #46 of 78
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Originally posted by debenm
they charged my card today... but then I don't really care much

That's naughty.

I'd prefer not to get £1800 + 90 days interest on my VISA
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post #47 of 78
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Originally posted by lhvide
Perhaps you missed Steve saying "The MacBook Pro.. it's a new name cause we're kinda done with Power and we want the name Mac in front..."


Well I am going to watch the keynote again because God knows the audio was dropping like a mo-fo last night.
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post #48 of 78
Very good post TenoBell..... I actually pasted your post to about 5 people that have been bitching about it as well.

 

 

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post #49 of 78
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Originally posted by emig647
I can picture the Extreme PC gamers saying... Hey what laptop do you have? Uhhh errr its mah um...... MacBook... pro. And watching them laugh their way out of the store. I think its the lamest name in the world.

So it is your belief that Apple should run all of their name proposals by the "radical PC gamerz community"? Sounds like a plan.

MacBook, MacBook Pro
MacMini, Mac, Mac Pro

Simple and makes the lineup obvious.

I'm still not convinced that the MacBook Pro is replacement for the Powerbook series. It may be a stopgap measure to buy Apple engineering time, or it may be the new iMac replacement in wolf's clothing. Later in the year, Apple could introduce a 64 bit duo core fully clocked out (check out what Wintel duo core laptops are clocked at, it's way above the MacBook - we have the same hardware but Apple still can't get it up!), with all the little details missing from the MacBook Pro Give the new MacBook Pro three screen sizes: 10.5", 16", 18". Then then current MacBook Pro is revised to become the new high end iBook replacement, the MacBook 15".

This is just a hunch based on the fact that the MacBook Pro, besides the CPU/motherboard, is not much of a leap compared to the current powerbooks, and is actually inferior in some ways, such as Superdrive, s-video output, etc.
post #50 of 78
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Originally posted by Blackcat
That's naughty.

I'd prefer not to get £1800 + 90 days interest on my VISA

oh... well, my card is paying me 2% back, and I'll pay the balance when the bill comes. So I figure I get the macbook with a 2% savings because of my credit card...
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post #51 of 78
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Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg
Later in the year, Apple could introduce a 64 bit duo core fully clocked out (check out what Wintel duo core laptops are clocked at, it's way above the MacBook - we have the same hardware but Apple still can't get it up!),

I have yet to see a core duo (aka yonah) clocked above 1.83... I have seen reviews of NON CONSUMER MARKET RELEASED ones at what... 2.16? Please send a url if I am wrong.. I just haven't seen anything released yet above that.

I was just making a point that the name sounds lame. I'm pretty convinced its to replace the powerbook because of the enclosure. Apple for the last 3 years has followed a trend of making the consumer models plastic and the pro models aluminum. Obviously that isn't the deal breaker... but the mac book pro did get the powerbooks enclosure... and it has been further modified... what more proof do you need?

 

 

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post #52 of 78
Dell has them at 2 GHz but not available until mid-Feb.
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post #53 of 78
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Originally posted by Telomar
Dell has them at 2 GHz but not available until mid-Feb.

In all fairness... I doubt apple's will be either.

 

 

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post #54 of 78
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Originally posted by debenm
they charged my card today... but then I don't really care much

No, really? You ordered a MacBook, it won't ship for at least a month, and they charged your card?
post #55 of 78
Why would you want to be a guinea pig and buy now??!!! If you wait six months any bugs will be fixed, and the specs will be improved. Besides its not as if there are many applications you can run on them now.
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Originally posted by John_Christos@hotmail.com
Besides its not as if there are many programs you can run on them now.

Every single application that Apple installs on the Mac of their own is compiled natively for the Intel CPU. Steve said that yesterday. If one does not need any of the major applications like Photoshop, I do not see anything wrong with buying on of the Mac laptops now.

Heck, if I had the money for one, I would be a "guinea pig" now as well.
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programs

Lundy's tip of the day:

"programs" => Windows Guy.

"applications" => Mac Guy.
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post #58 of 78
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I'm not going to go into detail about our security but rest assured there's a darn sight more to be seen in offices than you seem to think. And you are ignoring the key question of my post which was whether or not the company really believes that giving a subset of the population built-in videoconferencing outweighs the loss of sales that will ensue. Yes, Virginia, there are lots of places that will not permit computers with cameras built in and telling them they need a "reality check" ain't gonna change that.

Of course, telling Apple not to build in iSights to every machine ain't gonna change that, either. Sigh.

I see your point about the security issues. Could be a real hassle for the security bots. But if you really spend millions a year on Mac, I would be willing to bet Apple will build them without the isght camera for you. They do specials for the gummint all the time. Just a thought.
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post #59 of 78
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I see your point about the security issues. Could be a real hassle for the security bots. But if you really spend millions a year on Mac, I would be willing to bet Apple will build them without the isght camera for you. They do specials for the gummint all the time. Just a thought.

Doesn't help a private contractor
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post #60 of 78
I'm going to jump on the BTO iSight bandwagon as well. Seriously its something I would NEVER use. Is it really necessary? And the security issues is a VERY GOOD POINT. Its like apple wasn't thinking the last few months... or had intel influence..... with the macbook pro name and built in isight... come on. I mean its a cool feature if you're into that stuff. I guess you could always use a piece of tape over it... *shrugs* I'd rather not pay for it though.

 

 

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post #61 of 78
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Originally posted by emig647
I'm going to jump on the BTO iSight bandwagon as well. Seriously its something I would NEVER use. Is it really necessary? And the security issues is a VERY GOOD POINT. Its like apple wasn't thinking the last few months... or had intel influence..... with the macbook pro name and built in isight... come on. I mean its a cool feature if you're into that stuff. I guess you could always use a piece of tape over it... *shrugs* I'd rather not pay for it though.

I'm pretty sure Apple does lots of research when choosing features, and considering the secrecy at Infinite Loop they understand no camera policies.

We have *one* new laptop. Who's to say what else whe are getting? Perhaps the 12" will have no iSight, or the iBook. It's too early to say.

I'm also wondering how real this issue is. MacBooks provided by an IT Dept could have their iSights disabled in software, private contractors could simply not mention it as it's far less opvious than a phone or camera, or cover it.

Either way, it makes more sense to tell Apple than AI, they might well listen.
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post #62 of 78
I wonder why Apple doesn't say anything about the battery-lifetime.
The old PB works for about 5,5 hours. Hope the new Macbook Pro works at least 6 hours.

The battery-lifetime is one of the most important factors for a notebook and for example Samsung has some notebooks that work 12 hours (like the X25 XVM 2130 with a 15" SXGA+ TFT and an optical drive).

Let's hope Apples notebooks have a long battery-lifetime, because what's a fast notebook for when it shutdown after 4 or 5 hours?


btw.: I have an iBook G3 and love it. It's some years old has the original battery and still work for about 4 hours. If the new Macbook or Macbook Pro has a battery-lifetime equal or better than the G4 Models i will buy one.
post #63 of 78
Apple doesn't say anything about the battery life because the Intel PowerBooks (anyone who corrects me, dies) are prototypes and haven't been tested for battery life. Apple reps have said this repeatedly to everybody.

Anecdotal evidence ranges from 3 hours (Jade at Ars, and a couple of others) to 6 hours (various). Similar notebooks from other vendors have 4-6 hours claimed battery life. Sony claims somewhat more, but like Apple's original figures for the AlBooks, they have a tendency to overestimate a bit.
post #64 of 78
i just read a review that said the new books run hot.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/con...id=7-7890-8160


dont know if this was posted or not but i'm not liking it one bit.
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Originally posted by Electric Monk
Apple doesn't say anything about the battery life because the Intel PowerBooks (anyone who corrects me, dies)

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Similar notebooks from other vendors have 4-6 hours claimed battery life. Sony claims somewhat more, but like Apple's original figures for the AlBooks, they have a tendency to overestimate a bit.

I think every company does... remember when sony was saying how long their battery life was on their players? heh that was at like mono ... 64bit.... half volume... 20 hours? Lol @ that

 

 

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post #66 of 78
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i just read a review that said the new books run hot.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/con...id=7-7890-8160


dont know if this was posted or not but i'm not liking it one bit.

Oh boy, the heat. Yikes! I guess we'll have to wait and see on this one, since those models are prototypes and were on three solid days crunching.
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post #67 of 78
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Oh boy, the heat. Yikes! I guess we'll have to wait and see on this one, since those models are prototypes and were on three solid days crunching.

Like the older ones could possibly be any cooler? Its the aluminum enclosure..... it lets off heat better than most *cheap* materials

... how many other laptops do you see that are alum?

 

 

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post #68 of 78
Dell 2Ghz... mmmm.... then you will be carrying a big lappy to supply battery

this 15" for road warriors, you hv to compromise power, performance, weight, batter life. It is a great Piece of Engineering Design, now with Intel Processor no complaints abt performance, APPLE trying their best all the time (example MagSafe)

Surely we will see 2Ghz in 17" MacBook Mega(Pro)

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post #69 of 78
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I was pretty sure the powerbook was but people on the broads are saying its the new iBook. I don't know where they got information.

The name Macbook Pro is a good name and for most of you it will grow on you. Its just like when a car comes out and you think its ugly as all heck, but then a couple months done the road you catch yourself saying "Man thats one nice looking car." Give the Macbook a few months and you will be saying the same thing.

I second that!, when many names suggested in the forum,

MacBook - seems to be the Decent and simple name out!.

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post #70 of 78
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Originally posted by emig647
Like the older ones could possibly be any cooler? Its the aluminum enclosure..... it lets off heat better than most *cheap* materials

... how many other laptops do you see that are alum?

thats very true.


still though i thought the yonah's run cool?
post #71 of 78
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thats very true.


still though i thought the yonah's run cool?

they do, but not ice cool... the casing is still going to get warm...

 

 

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post #72 of 78
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NOOOO -- not another laptop with Titanium-level (non-)reception!

FWIW I heard from an Apple person in the booth that the engineer who worked on the antenna was really happy with it and that we should expect improved performance compared to the Al G4 books. Time will tell.
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post #73 of 78
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I wonder if the lack of FW800 has to do with the issues that showed up with the advent of Panther. You know, nasty data loss after reboot in a connected external FW drive. There were some firmware updates, but the whole thing was so obscure that I think the issue was never addressed properly. Perhaps Apple waited for the first major hardware change to get rid of it.

An Apple person in the booth told me that FW800, S-video and such were dropped simply due to space. With the thinner design and larger battery and short development time there was just no way to fit that in. He did say that they were firmly committed to FW. Their suggestion was to get a FW800 Express card. There were none at the show but Belkin is supposed to be developing one.

When you turn this laptop over you can see that the battery is frickin huge. It is centered left-right and towards the front, under the trackpad, but it reaches over halfway back. Above that is the access panel for the memory card.

I imagine that future versions of the processor which use less power will allow a smaller battery meaning more features will migrate back to the 'book.
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Originally posted by Bergermeister

About the iSight: I am vvery happy to have it. Paranoid companies should worry more about the cameras that come in cel phones, PDAs, pens, buttons and lapels than the ones built into a computer screen that will only be opened inn secure areas. Can you image some clown walking around and trying to take spy photos using a laptop? Not very inconspicuous if you ask me. Powerbooks (possibly under a new name) will come out later this year and they will not have the iSight, which was first built into a consumer machine, the iMac (though many pros use it).

The thing is, security offices don't take the time to distinguish between different levels of camera quality. To make it easy for themselves and to avoid error they simply ban all cameras.

You don't need to carry a camera around to do bad stuff. You could park it and hold up documents or prototypes in front of the camera to form images.

I think this was a bad move. It cost us 60 vertical pixels. I wish they would have just made a mini clip-on camera that plugged into the top of the display. They could have include one with each laptop. That way you could remove it if you had to and you'd have a larger screen.
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post #75 of 78
hmm 60 pixels vs isight that usually costs a hundred or so dollars?


i'd go isight.






p.s i'm not following you
post #76 of 78
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Originally posted by neutrino23
I think this was a bad move. It cost us 60 vertical pixels and now you don't have a larger screen.

Argh! Look all Apple did was switch from using really rare 15.2" panels to a much more common, and hence cheaper, 15.4" panels. Regardless of the built-in camera we would still have the new screen resolution.
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Originally posted by Electric Monk
Anecdotal evidence ranges from 3 hours (Jade at Ars, and a couple of others) to 6 hours (various). Similar notebooks from other vendors have 4-6 hours claimed battery life. Sony claims somewhat more, but like Apple's original figures for the AlBooks, they have a tendency to overestimate a bit.

Another piece of anecdotal evidence: Steve Jobs' quote from a recent short Newsweek article.

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How is battery life with the MacBook?
About the samethis with a dual processor [chip]! Each processor is as fast as a G5, and the battery life will be the same as [the previous PowerBooks] G4.
post #78 of 78
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Originally posted by Electric Monk
Argh! Look all Apple did was switch from using really rare 15.2" panels to a much more common, and hence cheaper, 15.4" panels. Regardless of the built-in camera we would still have the new screen resolution.

Quoted for emphasis.
Can everyone re-read Electric Monk's post and stop saying that the iSight is robbing us of pixels?

Got it? Cool, let's move on.

Good post EM.
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