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post #1 of 48
1/26/06 at 1:15am
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Its a long discussion but what I have very much doubt about is the claim that you can´t train your IQ beyond your teenage years. So please participate in this small test if you want.

Here is a test very close to that used to measure IQ by psychologist and Mensa.

http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf

As I understand it you are not able to measure the IQ directly but this test comes close.

lease try to take the test now. Make a mental note of the result, go over the test once more and try to figure out

In some month I´ll present another test that is very close to this one but different and lets see if you get another result.

What I want to know is: Did your IQ go up, down, stay the same? Had you tried this kind of test before within the last, say, three years? And your age.

Please participate. Or do whatever you want with it And I added a small poll because it usual attracts more readers
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post #2 of 48
1/26/06 at 2:58am
Juste performed the test and finished to go mad. I did not take the whole time, because I performed it, while some of my patients cancelled their rendez-vous.
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post #3 of 48
1/26/06 at 4:02pm
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Arh. Come on. Play along
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post #4 of 48
1/26/06 at 4:57pm
115+ while drunk.

and I only got to question 36...

34 and up are a bitch...
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post #5 of 48
1/26/06 at 5:17pm
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115+ while drunk.

and I only got to question 37...

35 and up are a bitch...

yeah they were... 39 wasnt bad, but 37 took a while. I got 145 which is around the same score that i recived when i took a "real" IQ test (giving by a professional to me)

Highschool is getting old...I cant wait to get out:-(
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post #6 of 48
1/26/06 at 6:19pm
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Ahh, a cat made me quit at question 27 and had like 25 minutes left.

104.

Now if only they had a patience test...
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post #7 of 48
1/26/06 at 8:46pm
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Now, I've heard that the actual "IQ" test takes a person's age into consideration...as a divisor of some sort. Meaning that if your "knowledge" remains the same, your IQ will actually DECREASE as you age. (Or you could say that to maintain one's IQ level, you need to constantly learn new things.)
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post #8 of 48
1/26/06 at 10:50pm
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Originally posted by KingOfSomewhereHot
126

Now, I've heard that the actual "IQ" test takes a person's age into consideration...as a divisor of some sort. Meaning that if your "knowledge" remains the same, your IQ will actually DECREASE as you age. (Or you could say that to maintain one's IQ level, you need to constantly learn new things.)

It's true for kids only.
Luckily otherwise, I would become more and more idiot
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post #9 of 48
1/27/06 at 12:38am
122

Funny thing was I got real stuck on one of the very early ones. I hate it when they are really obvious and you just don't see it. I think I only made it up to 34 or so.

Based on our poll, it looks like we have one strange bell curve around here.
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post #10 of 48
1/27/06 at 1:07am
The Mensa (and other organization) type tests are skewed in the results.. they give you a higher points rating.

If it is high people feel good and sign up to join :-)

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post #11 of 48
1/27/06 at 1:54am
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No. (Most) online test do screw the result. The Mensa ones are usually very adjusted, even to different countries. That they have some strange belief that tells them the environment doesn´t affect your ability to solve their tests are another subject.
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post #12 of 48
1/27/06 at 10:02am
118 with the tv on, 126 fully focused.
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post #13 of 48
1/27/06 at 10:09am
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Originally posted by Anders
No. (Most) online test do screw the result. The Mensa ones are usually very adjusted, even to different countries. That they have some strange belief that tells them the environment doesn´t affect your ability to solve their tests are another subject.

Who believes that the environment doesn't affect your test scores?
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post #14 of 48
1/27/06 at 4:03pm
122. i was pretty clueless at 32+
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post #15 of 48
1/27/06 at 4:43pm
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You are not rewarded for finishing before time is up - so take your time! Wrong answers do not influence your result - so guess rather than omit a question!

So how does it score?
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post #16 of 48
1/28/06 at 7:37am
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post #17 of 48
1/28/06 at 7:52am
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Originally posted by mouseion
So how does it score?

On correct answers only. Some tests actively penalize you for incorrect answers instead of just not giving you the points(though I don't if any IQ test that do so). The idea being that if you left it blank, you didn't know, but if you answered incorrectly you actually reasoned or calculated wrong.

There was a prof in university that scored tests like that. On mulitple choice tests, you could answer most of the question right and still end up with a fail if you answered enough wrong instead of leaving them blank. Luckily, I never had him.

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post #18 of 48
1/30/06 at 10:11pm
Can we just do these instead? after a childhood of taking IQ tests and doing stupid logic puzzles where it always seemed that Bill lived in the red house next to the girl who was taller than Sally, I have an aversion to these kinds of tests.
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post #19 of 48
2/5/06 at 2:37am
ouch. 107. am i banned from appleInsider now? i kinda gave up after question 20something, i was like, f*** this bollocks. speaking of bollocks is it just me or does the tiled background of the iq test page look like something really rude/sexual??
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post #20 of 48
2/5/06 at 5:32am
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On correct answers only. Some tests actively penalize you for incorrect answers instead of just not giving you the points(though I don't if any IQ test that do so). The idea being that if you left it blank, you didn't know, but if you answered incorrectly you actually reasoned or calculated wrong.

There was a prof in university that scored tests like that. On mulitple choice tests, you could answer most of the question right and still end up with a fail if you answered enough wrong instead of leaving them blank. Luckily, I never had him.

Whaa? It makes a *lot* more sense to penalize for wrong answers! If you don't, that just adds a random "lottery" part to the end of the test, where at ~1 minute before end of test you fill a random answer to every question you haven't answered yet.

I have done an unofficial math/logic IQ test maybe twice, and have been officially tested once at school. Got a 141 in that test. I'd love to practice some (practice definitely gives you a better score in these tests) and see how far I can up the score, just as a fun "project". I think this fact you can better your scores makes Mensa an unnatural, contrived, pompous organization.

I'll do this one later, haven't got 40 minutes now.
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post #21 of 48
2/5/06 at 10:41am
98 completed in 6 minutes.
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post #22 of 48
2/5/06 at 12:56pm
130 in half the time but this is just stupid.
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post #23 of 48
2/5/06 at 1:40pm
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130 in half the time but this is just stupid.

SO thats why you did it?
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post #24 of 48
2/5/06 at 4:09pm
So intelligence = pattern recognition?
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post #25 of 48
2/5/06 at 7:29pm
heh. check out the ad at the bottom of this page while i was browsing. how apt though i wonder what that iq test is like ...

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post #26 of 48
2/6/06 at 3:15pm
I had a true educational assessment done back in November. I've had them done at various times of my life since I was confirmed as a gifted learning disabled student. They can take many hours to complete and so much of the results are determined by how the one administering the test interprets your responses/actions.

My full-scale IQ result is 125; however, this is deceiving in my case because my language based skills actually score around 110 while my non-verbal reasoning skills score 140+. So like I said, my full-scale score underemphasizes some of my skills and over emphasizes others, and therefore really isn't very useful.

If you ever get the chance to have the assessment, I recommend it, especially if you live in a place or goto a school that will pay for it.

Cheers,

PS. 100 is average. The scale has something to do with relationships, 110 being the 75th percentile, 125 being the 90th.. etc etc. Somebody who knows more could explain it properly.
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post #27 of 48
2/6/06 at 3:33pm
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So intelligence = pattern recognition?

That is what modern our modern interpretation of intelligence has become.
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post #28 of 48
2/6/06 at 3:40pm
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PS. 100 is average. The scale has something to do with relationships, 110 being the 75th percentile, 125 being the 90th.. etc etc. Somebody who knows more could explain it properly.

Not quite:

The distribution is some specific form of the gaussian curve ( I am not sure the exactly equation, but a list from this site is as follows).

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IQ    Percentile
65        01
70        02
75        05
80        09
85        16
90        25
95        37
100       50
105       63
110       75
115       84
120       91
125       95
130       98
135       99



If I was keen, I would plot these parameters and get the particular constant of the gaussian, but I don't care.
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post #29 of 48
2/6/06 at 3:43pm
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If I was keen, I would plot these parameters and get the particular constant of the gaussian, but I don't care.

I think you mean "If my IQ were high enough, I would plot these in my head and put them in a row with fake versions, not tell you what they were, and ask you to find a pattern."
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post #30 of 48
2/6/06 at 4:22pm
the higher the score the more you think like the person that made the test.
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post #31 of 48
2/6/06 at 5:48pm
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Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Not quite:

The distribution is some specific form of the gaussian curve ( I am not sure the exactly equation, but a list from this site is as follows).

If I was keen, I would plot these parameters and get the particular constant of the gaussian, but I don't care.

IQ is on a normal (gaussian) curve, with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 or sometimes 16. That means that if you have a score of 130, you're two standard deviations above the mean, or in the top 2% of the population - that's a characteristic of all normal curves. That's why I always enjoy looking at people's scores on these internet discussions - 90% of people are in the top 5% of the population.
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post #32 of 48
2/6/06 at 6:18pm
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IQ is on a normal (gaussian) curve, with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15 or sometimes 16. That means that if you have a score of 130, you're two standard deviations above the mean, or in the top 2% of the population - that's a characteristic of all normal curves. That's why I always enjoy looking at people's scores on these internet discussions - 90% of people are in the top 5% of the population.

Maybe you know this, why is the standard deviation 15%?

Has any one actually done a broad cross population analysis other than looking for the average?

The standard deviation could be 20% or 5%, why 15%?
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post #33 of 48
2/6/06 at 6:38pm
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Maybe you know this, why is the standard deviation 15%?

Has any one actually done a broad cross population analysis other than looking for the average?

The standard deviation could be 20% or 5%, why 15%?

It's 15 for the same reason the mean is 100: It's just set that way in order to communicate results easily. You could transform the numbers into something else and it wouldn't make any difference. The (old) SATs and GREs have means of 500 and standard deviations of 100 per section. Some IQ tests are set to have a standard deviation of 16. It's just playing with numbers and doesn't have any empirical basis. (It's actually not 15%, it's 15 points.)

Same with the mean - the 100 is completely artificial. In fact, IQ scores have gone up significantly over the past several decades (it's called the Flynn effect). But it's constantly re-centered so the mean stays 100 regardless. It's like we just can't get any smarter.
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post #34 of 48
2/6/06 at 7:08pm
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It's 15 for the same reason the mean is 100: It's just set that way in order to communicate results easily. You could transform the numbers into something else and it wouldn't make any difference. The (old) SATs and GREs have means of 500 and standard deviations of 100 per section. Some IQ tests are set to have a standard deviation of 16. It's just playing with numbers and doesn't have any empirical basis. (It's actually not 15%, it's 15 points.)

Same with the mean - the 100 is completely artificial. In fact, IQ scores have gone up significantly over the past several decades (it's called the Flynn effect). But it's constantly re-centered so the mean stays 100 regardless. It's like we just can't get any smarter.


Um, it makes no sense that they set a standard deviation. Given a large sample of test takers, a standard deviation will arise, but you cannot set that deviation a priori. If you try to do so, you artificially force a population to distribute itself about the mean in artificial ways...
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post #35 of 48
2/6/06 at 8:08pm
Well that's what they do. It's not empirical, it's just data transformation. If you get a standard deviation of 30, you divide by 2 and then add 50 to make the mean 100 again, et voila. You could set the standard deviation to 25 if you wanted, or pi, or whatever. Some tests set it to 16. It's merely convention, so everyone knows what a score means in percentile terms.
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post #36 of 48
2/6/06 at 8:28pm
So the concept of IQ as a multiplicative relationship to average at a certain age has been abandoned for this percentile?
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post #37 of 48
2/6/06 at 9:33pm
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Originally posted by hardeeharhar
So the concept of IQ as a multiplicative relationship to average at a certain age has been abandoned for this percentile?

Yes definitely. It's not a mental age/chronological age "quotient" any longer.
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post #38 of 48
2/6/06 at 10:01pm
Our own little bell curve is starting to look like an inverse bell curve.
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post #39 of 48
2/7/06 at 11:15am
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Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Our own little bell curve is starting to look like an inverse bell curve.

Yeah, I always look for threads like this because they always amuse me. I don't know if the tests are biased, or people are just lying, or only people who do well report their results, or what. But the scores are always absurdly high.
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post #40 of 48
2/7/06 at 11:21am
Given the shape of our curve... the average IQ on the boards is 160...

heheheh...
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