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post #81 of 127
1/29/06 at 10:37am
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Hooray! I get to control a 13" screen from 30' away!

You probably will be able to hook the laptop to a television, play a DVD, close the laptop lid, and have a remote control.

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11.3 inch sub notebook

Subnotebooks seem to the be the rage mostly in Asia. In Ameria we really want the bigger laptops.

Apple can only release and support a product if its going to move units. I don't think subnotebooks are a big enough market in the US for Apple to get into them.

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Not even Avid, the industry standard?

No Avid and FCP do not really compete in the same market. Avid is a very hardware heavy system. While FCP is a software centric system.

Avid does make software centric systems but they are not made to scale from DV to HD the way FCP is able to.
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post #82 of 127
1/29/06 at 10:56am
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Originally posted by TenoBell
]You probably will be able to hook the laptop to a television, play a DVD, close the laptop lid, and have a remote control....

No doubt, but it seems like a waste of a good laptop, and necessitates a lot of cabling and uncabling (unless you want to use a laptop as a dedicated media device, which, I'm thinking, you don't.

I think Apple is just sort of putting Front Row out there in a sort of "why not" mood until they release a revised Intel mini, at which point it makes sense.
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post #83 of 127
1/29/06 at 11:45am
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No doubt, but it seems like a waste of a good laptop, and necessitates a lot of cabling and uncabling (unless you want to use a laptop as a dedicated media device, which, I'm thinking, you don't.

Well...no, of course not...but, say you're on the road...in a hotel. Some such things as that. And...

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I think Apple is just sort of putting Front Row out there in a sort of "why not" mood until they release a revised Intel mini, at which point it makes sense.

Yes...this too.
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post #84 of 127
1/29/06 at 11:49am
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Hooray! I get to control a 13" screen from 30' away!

Do you ever really sit anywhere that far away from your TV? Are you somehow ignoring the possiblility of running a presentation with this sort of system? If the remote is allowed to hook into Keynote, then that would be almost indispensible to road warriors that do presentations using their laptop and the installed projection system.

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No doubt, but it seems like a waste of a good laptop, and necessitates a lot of cabling and uncabling.

Hooking up two connectors is such a hardship to a Mac fan, and thus a reason to leave the feature off such as to prevent a Mac user from ever getting into that conundrum.
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post #85 of 127
1/29/06 at 12:03pm
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Originally posted by NordicMan
Yes, some manly colours. I would like to see black return. Also, I would like to see a deep navy blue, or a deep grey in a Mac.

There must be a black Mac coming along some time here.

British racing green? Royal Purple?
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post #86 of 127
1/29/06 at 1:15pm
What I am hoping for is an iBook/MacBook with a 15" screen. It would look stupid with the current iBook design though - even the 14" looks a bit awkward - but many people want a larger screen, but aren't willing to pay $2000 for a laptop.
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post #87 of 127
1/29/06 at 1:53pm
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British racing green? Royal Purple?

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post #88 of 127
1/29/06 at 2:16pm
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Originally posted by TenoBell


Subnotebooks seem to the be the rage mostly in Asia. In Ameria we really want the bigger laptops.

Apple can only release and support a product if its going to move units. I don't think subnotebooks are a big enough market in the US for Apple to get into them.




I could use a good subnotebook of 13.3" size.

An 11" would make for a better video viewing experience than an iPod, as well as much easier to input on than my Palm T3.
But you are right, here in North America, we like a larger size. 13.3" is good for a smaller notebook, and provides for more enjoyable keyboard input.
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post #89 of 127
1/29/06 at 2:40pm
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Originally posted by JeffDM
Do you ever really sit anywhere that far away from your TV?

No, but per my subsequent post I don't particularly want to tie up my laptop as a media controller, either.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with throwing Front Row in with the iBooks, just that the software seems far more suited to Mini type installations, which I am sure are coming.

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Are you somehow ignoring the possiblility of running a presentation with this sort of system? If the remote is allowed to hook into Keynote, then that would be almost indispensible to road warriors that do presentations using their laptop and the installed projection system.

Well, except Front Row doesn't hook into Keynote, and there are any number of simple USB remotes that do.

As it stands, Front Row doesn't appear to be geared to mobile presenters

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Hooking up two connectors is such a hardship to a Mac fan, and thus a reason to leave the feature off such as to prevent a Mac user from ever getting into that conundrum.

Feeling a little cranky, there, Jeff? I'm just saying something like Front Row is an awkward fit on something like an iBook, partially given the design and probable utilization of each, but mostly because it hasn't shipped yet in it's natural habitat of a dedicated media box.
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post #90 of 127
1/29/06 at 5:06pm
I don't understand why everyone is focussing in on watching movies via Front Row. There's 4 icons in Front Row. The most used one for me is the 'Music' icon. It doesn't matter what your screen size is to shuffle to the next track or change the volume.
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post #91 of 127
1/29/06 at 7:09pm
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Originally posted by TenoBell
No Avid and FCP do not really compete in the same market.

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post #92 of 127
1/30/06 at 1:58am
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Originally posted by buckeye
Yeah, I think that is exactly right. A lot of people throw their iBooks around because that plastic is so durable, but as soon as it starts looking like the black Nanos look, say goodbye black iBook. Had it not been for all teh Nano complaints, I'm sure they would do it.

I never quite understand people, who pay a lot
of money for an entertainment device, and who do not
pay attention to that device. This is beyond me.

Any given surface is vulnerable, of course.
Apple put a lot of effort into the design of
iBooks, iPods and such. Also they clearly
developed a masterpiece (iPod nano),

It is pretty unfair accuseing apple to ship
products, that scratch easily. In fact iPods/iBooks
do not scratch easily, this is a myth, that persists
for no good reason. You have deliberately throw
your iPod/iBook into glas, sand, dust etc., to gain
scratches.

just my 2 cents
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post #93 of 127
1/30/06 at 2:55am
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Originally posted by Vox Barbara
It is pretty unfair accuseing apple to ship
products, that scratch easily. In fact iPods/iBooks
do not scratch easily, this is a myth, that persists
for no good reason. You have deliberately throw
your iPod/iBook into glas, sand, dust etc., to gain
scratches.

just my 2 cents

So essentially, the scratches on the back of BOTH of my freinds new Black nano's (2 and 4gb), both of which have had almost meticulous care taken of them, the scratches on the back and the front aren't really there, they are the product of man kinds collective imagination, and you are the sole bringer of truth and enlightenment?
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post #94 of 127
1/30/06 at 3:41am
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..., they are the product of man kinds collective imagination, and you are the sole bringer of truth and enlightenment?

Er... no. But i know a lot of people who are using
their iPod for dowseing too.
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post #95 of 127
1/30/06 at 9:43am
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Originally posted by TenoBell
Subnotebooks seem to the be the rage mostly in Asia. In Ameria we really want the bigger laptops.

Apple can only release and support a product if its going to move units. I don't think subnotebooks are a big enough market in the US for Apple to get into them.

So you are saying there is a big market in Asia (population of about 3.7 billion), but because there isnt a big market in the US (about 260 million, roughly 7% that of Asia) they wont ship units.

Apple is a global company, which means it sells to other people apart from americans.

And why cant the range go from subnotebook to supernotebook.

Surely they arent mutally exclusive
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post #96 of 127
1/30/06 at 11:41am
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Originally posted by Vox Barbara
It is pretty unfair accuseing apple to ship
products, that scratch easily. In fact iPods/iBooks
do not scratch easily, this is a myth, that persists
for no good reason. You have throw
your iPod/iBook into glas, sand, dust etc., to gain
scratches.

I suggest you go to any popular and busy cellular store and look at any of the black Samsung phones.

And then go to an Apple store and look at the black Nanos.

You will be stunned that the phones still look new. While the Nano will look like the reps at the Apple store have let someone deliberately vandal it.

Futhermore, my 6 month old Samsung cell which doesn't have a case---I throw in and out of bags, carry in my pocket, drop ocasionally---looks pretty new still and its free of micoscopic scrathes; Seriously, its in better shape than my cared for Nano that I got for xmas.. go figure..
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post #97 of 127
1/30/06 at 11:45am
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Originally posted by LGnome
My apologies for veering off topic, but I suggest you go to any popular and busy cellular store and look at any of the black Samsung phones.

And then go to an Apple store and look at the black Nanos.

You will be stunned that the phones still look new. While the Nano will look like the reps at the Apple store have let someone deliberately vandal it.

Futhermore, my 6 month old Samsung cell which doesn't have a case---I throw in and out of bags, carry in my pocket, drop ocasionally---looks pretty new still and its free of micoscopic scrathes; Seriously, its in better shape than my cared for Nano that I got for xmas.. go figure..
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post #98 of 127
1/30/06 at 12:04pm
This is what I've been waiting for ever since we were all waiting for the G5 powerbook.

I'm holding out for a new 13" intel ibook for sure. Not too much longer if you believe the rumors.

You'd think that Apple would have redesigned the macbookpro with such a major shift to intel. But when they didn't...it bummed me out to think that perhaps they'll just drop an intel into the same white ibook form factor.

The clamshell ibook lasted 2 years. The current ibook form factor has lasted 5 years. Thats a long time without a major change.

I know it'll be a 13" model(we assume)...but if apple doesn't change the look of the intel ibook besides that...at least they should offer it in either black or white. Like the ipods.

That would create the wow factor eveyone expects from a major apple release. They usually love to wow people with the aesthetic design as much as the functioning of it. So thats why I am puzzled apple didn't go all out to change the macbook pro.

I'm crossing my fingers about the intel ibook though.

No matter what...I'll get one. My current G3 ibook is showing its age. But still...heres to hoping.
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post #99 of 127
1/30/06 at 12:15pm
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a big market in Asia (population of about 3.7 billion), but because there isn't a big market in the US (about 260 million, roughly 7% that of Asia) they wont ship units.

Depends on how many out of 3.7 billion could afford or would choose to buy an Apple sub-notebook.

On one hand I can see your point if Apple saw a significant demand and potentially high profit for such a product they should offer it.

On the other hand Apple has not really gotten into dividing product lines and specifying products for certain markets.

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No, but per my subsequent post I don't particularly want to tie up my laptop as a media controller, either.

I certainly was not claiming anyone would buy an iBook to use it as their primary home DVD player.

But the ability to use it as a media center is just added functionality.

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If the remote is allowed to hook into Keynote, then that would be almost indispensible to road warriors that do presentations using their laptop and the installed projection system.

except Front Row doesn't hook into Keynote,

I don't think the IR sensor and Front Row are exclusively tied together. I would imagine the IR sensor is open for other uses.
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post #100 of 127
1/30/06 at 10:15pm
It will be called IMACBOOK face it!
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post #101 of 127
1/30/06 at 10:23pm
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Originally posted by regan
This is what I've been waiting for ever since we were all waiting for the G5 powerbook.

I'm holding out for a new 13" intel ibook for sure. Not too much longer if you believe the rumors.

You'd think that Apple would have redesigned the macbookpro with such a major shift to intel. But when they didn't...it bummed me out to think that perhaps they'll just drop an intel into the same white ibook form factor.

The clamshell ibook lasted 2 years. The current ibook form factor has lasted 5 years. Thats a long time without a major change.

I know it'll be a 13" model(we assume)...but if apple doesn't change the look of the intel ibook besides that...at least they should offer it in either black or white. Like the ipods.

That would create the wow factor eveyone expects from a major apple release. They usually love to wow people with the aesthetic design as much as the functioning of it. So thats why I am puzzled apple didn't go all out to change the macbook pro.

I'm crossing my fingers about the intel ibook though.

No matter what...I'll get one. My current G3 ibook is showing its age. But still...heres to hoping.


i dont think apple could do much different with the macbook pro's 15inch laptops.

the way it is now is perfect, even though they couldve offered a darker color along with the old one.


mark my words though the 13inch ibooks will have a change in aesthetic. specially since it will prob be widescreen i cant imagine them not changing it up a bit.



i also think they'll release it in two colors.
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post #102 of 127
1/31/06 at 3:36am
Originally posted by ecking
It will be called IMACBOOK face it!


WTF?
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post #103 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:25am
"Web and Macromedia suite'. Thats not even apples and oranges thats apples and combine bloody harvesters.

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post #104 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:49am
it will be great/good if they leave the iBook name untouched like the iMac (atleast after hearing lots of compliant after macbook pro)

but "Pro" in MacBook Pro doesnot make a sense without MacBook but when we compare Mac Pro (PM's new name) there is acutally there is no Mac (mac mini, iMac yes)...

overall my guess iBook name may be untouched and left for good sake of fans!

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post #105 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:59am
holy crap shanmugam i think you are the first appleinsider member to have Oprah Winfrey as a quote
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post #106 of 127
1/31/06 at 6:04am
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Originally posted by ecking
It will be called IMACBOOK face it!


WTF?

He's been huffing from the Jason O'Grady bag......
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post #107 of 127
1/31/06 at 7:57am
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holy crap shanmugam i think you are the first appleinsider member to have Oprah Winfrey as a quote

not anymore...
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post #108 of 127
1/31/06 at 8:53am
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Originally posted by shanmugam
it will be great/good if they leave the iBook name untouched like the iMac (atleast after hearing lots of compliant after macbook pro)

but "Pro" in MacBook Pro doesnot make a sense without MacBook but when we compare Mac Pro (PM's new name) there is acutally there is no Mac (mac mini, iMac yes)...

overall my guess iBook name may be untouched and left for good sake of fans!

Perhaps they'll have three lines.

The i line for consumers in white plastic. iBook and iMac (and iPod)

The Mac line for prosumers in silver/white. eg. MacBook and a new headless Mac.

The Pro line for pros in silver. eg. MacBook Pro, Mac Pro.

There's obvious flaws there. The Mac Mini should be an iMac Mini and be all white. And people might expect it to have a screen. The iBook doesn't contain Mac in the name and Jobs was after having Mac in the name of every Mac.
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post #109 of 127
1/31/06 at 3:40pm
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Perhaps they'll have three lines.

The i line for consumers in white plastic. iBook and iMac (and iPod)

The Mac line for prosumers in silver/white. eg. MacBook and a new headless Mac.

The Pro line for pros in silver. eg. MacBook Pro, Mac Pro.

There's obvious flaws there. The Mac Mini should be an iMac Mini and be all white. And people might expect it to have a screen. The iBook doesn't contain Mac in the name and Jobs was after having Mac in the name of every Mac.

Pretty good but...
Mac Mini and Macbook Mini
and naming a computer a mac would be too confusing, "do u have a mac or THE mac?" I dont know what it will be called but definetely not "mac". iMacBook would work for Job's naming scheme (which I approve of) but it does not flow like macbook. Maybe Mac Mini becomes Mac Nano? and MacBook Nano. And I've read people saying ibook=macbook express, I like how every macbook has something after it but EXPRESS come on thats not a very good name, express= it was rushed and not as good as normal, dont use negatives on products but to differentiate consumer and pro use nuetral/ lower positive and then bigger positive.
Just my .02
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post #110 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:36pm
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not anymore...


aw, shanmugam, i wasn't poking fun at you... people put all sorts of stuff in their signature...
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post #111 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:37pm
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He's been huffing from the Jason O'Grady bag......

heh.
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post #112 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:40pm
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Pretty good but...
Mac Mini and Macbook Mini
and naming a computer a mac would be too confusing, "do u have a mac or THE mac?" I dont know what it will be called but definetely not "mac". iMacBook would work for Job's naming scheme (which I approve of) but it does not flow like macbook. Maybe Mac Mini becomes Mac Nano? and MacBook Nano. And I've read people saying ibook=macbook express, I like how every macbook has something after it but EXPRESS come on thats not a very good name, express= it was rushed and not as good as normal, dont use negatives on products but to differentiate consumer and pro use nuetral/ lower positive and then bigger positive.
Just my .02


what do you think of Airport Express then? Actually, come to think of it, that sounds to the uninitiated like the name of a taxi company...
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post #113 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:48pm
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Originally posted by NordicMan
Yes, some manly colours. I would like to see black return. Also, I would like to see a deep navy blue, or a deep grey in a Mac.

There must be a black Mac coming along some time here.

they're going black no doubt about it
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post #114 of 127
1/31/06 at 4:55pm
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Perhaps they'll have three lines.

The i line for consumers in white plastic. iBook and iMac (and iPod)

The Mac line for prosumers in silver/white. eg. MacBook and a new headless Mac.

The Pro line for pros in silver. eg. MacBook Pro, Mac Pro.

There's obvious flaws there. The Mac Mini should be an iMac Mini and be all white. And people might expect it to have a screen. The iBook doesn't contain Mac in the name and Jobs was after having Mac in the name of every Mac.

you really think they are going to have three lines? i think since this is sort of like the "new " apple they're going to change the iBook name (and possibly design) to the MacBook, and they'll just keep the pro... i think that for the people who think the MacBook pro is "too much" (including myself), would gladly opt for the new MacBooks, because they will be improved, and probably have processors more or less equal to the old powerbooks.
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post #115 of 127
1/31/06 at 11:01pm
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Originally posted by spyinthesky
"Web and Macromedia suite'. Thats not even apples and oranges thats apples and combine bloody harvesters.

1 outa 5

iWeb and Macromedia suite are not apples and oranges - they are Apples and, uh, apples?

Both are for web developemnt. One sticks consumers into a rut and pollute the internet. Macromedia are for people that actually put effort into a site, or get paid to do so.

Again, I was talking usable alternative. Given the fact that iWeb is designed to tie in with .Mac, and it is bitchy difficult to get it do anything else, i would consider the programs on equal footing.
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post #116 of 127
2/1/06 at 7:26am
This thread was originally about Front Row. I gotta say, I don't get it.

I have a new 20" iMac CD, and have only used Front Row a few times. In general, the actual apps perform the duties much better the FR. Wanna see a slide show? iPhoto will do it faster than FR. How about Music? iTunes is streamlined for it. Even w/1GB of RAM, FR can take a long time to load and provides limited access to files. Trying to play a slide show in FR will cause a ridiculously long lag, but in iPhoto is very fast. Why use it?

The only people that will use this feature are those who live in very confined spaces (e.g. college students & 1rm apts) where the computer is the main entertainment area. As it stands, 3 of the 4 FR apps are visually related, yet Apple has not provided a mechanism to allow me to use these on the only screen that I view from a distance-the tv. These issues will be magnified on a laptop. Unless Apple provides some broader form of connectivity, this seems like a whiz-bang gizmo that adds very little value to the majority of users.
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post #117 of 127
2/1/06 at 7:43pm
Mac Three lines

Mac Mini - Slow but does the job - Switchers - Movies watchers
iMac - Value for money - Prosumers - Home Video Creators
Mac Pro (PMs) - Screamers - Pros - Real Movie Creators

MacBook Mini - Slow but does the job - School, students - Mobility
iBook - Value for money - prosumers - Mobility with extenability
MacBook Pro - Screamers - Pros - Just Screamers

Possible, if any one thought MacBook Pro is very powerful?, i think the graphic card there is very powerful, i do not have plan to own a 30" for atleast two years time

we might see, Books in various price points and configs

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post #118 of 127
2/1/06 at 8:34pm
as many have said, black MacBook = teh sex. so let's start with a teaser:

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2/1/06 at 8:43pm
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2/1/06 at 9:12pm
In my opinion, I think the black iPods look horrible.

There is something about the glossy black that doesn't look good to me. Maybe it's because they show EVERY smidge, smear, fingerprint, and scratch?
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