Originally posted by sunilramanOriginally posted by gar
indeed, but it isn't a subnotebook. IF we see a subnotebook it won't be cheaper.
back on topic:
i'm very curious about how apple will handle the powermac to mac pro transition.
if they want to do it this year there will be no software (adobe cs etc.) and no real hardware advantages as far as i can see.
okay, let's set aside the notebook and sub-notebook discussions for a while
yeah good points on mac pro and adobe|macromedia.
okay, here's the thing, any conroe mac pro line apple releases around the mid-to-end of 2006, should run Universal pro apps wicked fast. so we are talking final cut studio universal, logic pro universal (already announced) and so on... mainly apple pro apps that are set to be universal across the board by middle of 2006.
so if apple announces conroe mac pro computers, they will clearly show how they outperform the dual and quad powermacs at apple pro apps. why do i assume conroes will outperform the dual and quads at apple pro apps? 1. because if they didn't apple wont release them. 2. logic pro on intel demonstrated some impressive performance that the apple guy apparently said "would not be possible on a powermac".
adobe photoshop is the key. apple will have good access to photoshop universal builds. they will be benchmarking the hell out of it.
best case scenario:
once apple is happy, and adobe is ready to go, apple will trot out photoshop-on-intel conroe mac pros and then demonstrate how it whips the powermac duals and quads at "this filter set" , "that action set", etc, etc.
by WWDC June 2006 virtually all apple apps, everything, pro and non-pro is Universal
photoshop universal may hold up conroe mac pros but only to a certain point, since apple can tout "new and improved" rosetta + all Universal apple pro apps for the power users. so second half of 2006 iSteve is ready to pull the trigger to unleash the conroe mac pros, he might wait a little for adobe, but he won't be waiting too long. clearly with the intel transition iSteve wants to drive the developers and not wait for them. adobe|macromedia will have to play ball and deliver at least *some* universal apps in 2nd half of 2006, maybe later in the 2nd half of 2006...
I agree with your analysis.
And to add to it:
First of all, Apple simply can't hold their machines up. Why they are in this turbo mode, only they know. Perhaps they did intend to do this all along, or, they were able to convince Intel to speed development up after all (I think that that is what happened). There are good reasons to believe this.
As has been noted here and in other places, both Rosetta, and the OS will improve their speed over the coming months. Apple even acknowledged that iLife 6 wasn't particularly optimized for the Intel machines as yet, hence some of those low scores. Remember that only some of those programs are able to work with two cores. Most of them were speeded up by 10% or so anyway. The transfer slowdown we saw was obviously a bug. Hopefully it will be addressed in 10.4.5, if not soon afterwards.
The performance of the MacBook Pro should get a huge speedup over the old Powerbook, because of its slow nature. A good test of that was done recently on Rob Galbraiths site, using an Intel iMac to sub for the laptop, against the Powerbook. I posted this before.
Nothing is really known about Conroe, at this time, other than some general performance expectations. We should see some more concrete information in March, sometime. A lot of the performance will depend on how Apple exploits the technologies around it. Will Apple stick with DDR2 667? I was disappointed that they used DDR 2 533 for the Quad. There is little known advantage over DDR 400 (other than marketing). 667 does give a speed advantage, so I was pleasantly surprised to see that they are using that both in the iMac AND in the MacBook Pro.
But, will Apple go to DDR 2 800 this year, or even 1000? Both are out, and both would give a noticeable speed boost. Will they go to dual 16 channel slots for Crossfire or SLI? More than three or four slots, counting the one that MUST be used for video? Will they upgrade their SATA to SATA 2, to 300 from 150? More drives? Two, or more, external bays again?
Will they FINALLY give us a real high end gaming card, and not a pretend one, like the 7800XT, instead of the GTor better? How about HDMI output? That will be needed very shortly. How about on the monitors as well? What about their new connector standard? Will we see that?
These, and other issues, will drive the sales of these machines.
If Leopard does come out this year, and is a significant, er, leap, forward, that will help as well. When will we see that? Will it be out the same time as the new machines? What about the 3264 bit transition? It isn't as easy on x86 as on PPC. Where will that be?
Photoshop, and some other programs are only a part of what is going on here.
I know a number of pros and businesses (that I still keep in touch with), who have told me that if those new machines can keep within a reasonable range of performance of the older machines (on Rosetta), and if the hi performance programs they need are only a quarter away, they will buy the new machines as they need new equipment. Otherwise, it's not happening.