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post #121 of 149
Has anyone else noticed this funky bug or is it just my deal?

Sometimes (rarely) when I click the "back" button, instead of getting the page I last visited, I just get a huge white space in the browser window.

Don't know if it's just me or what...
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post #122 of 149
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[quote]I just get a huge white space in the browser window.<hr></blockquote>You are not alone. I and many others have started seeing the blank back page. I started getting it back in 0.2.6, IIRC.
post #123 of 149
[quote]Originally posted by rentedmule:
<strong>Hardly conspiracy theory.

Isn't iTunes just an Apple branded SoundJam? Apple knows a good thing when they see it. This smells funny (in a good sort of way.)

I can see it all now at MWNY: Welcome iBrowse! (or is that Eyebrowse?)</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think people are overlooking the possibility of Apple merely bundling more than 1 browser with the OS. I mean, if you look in the "Applications (Mac OS 9) Folder" on a newly installed system, both Netscape and IE are bundled. No reason why Apple couldn't include IE and Chimera (or Omniweb and Chimera for those of wishful thinking). The main reason I think this hasn't happened yet is that both Chimera and Omniweb are still in beta.
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post #124 of 149
The newly added features in 0.2.8 are nice. But 0.2.8 is significantly more unstable than 0.2.7 was, making it impractical as a primary browser. 0.2.7 rarely crashed on my setup (iBook/500/320, 10.1.4). Let's hope that 0.2.9 gets back on the stability wagon.

By the way, it looks like the command-arrow in addition to the command-bracket keyboard commands for back and forward was not implemented after all. I like command-square bracket, but command-arrows works much better for many European keyboard layouts.

I've experienced the blank page upon using the back button as well. All the versions of Chimera I have used also take significantly longer to render pages from cache (if they ever render) than new downloads. That's odd to say the least.

I remain hopeful that Chimera will be the browser to beat by the end of 2002.

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post #125 of 149
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Well, nightly builds of Chimera 0.3 are beginning to roll in! I've edited the first post to include the new nightly location, which is:

<a href="ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/nightly/latest-trunk/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/nightly/latest-trunk/</a>

Just remember, though, that as with the Mozilla nightly builds, these may be more unstable than milestone builds.

So far, the only difference I've noticed is that a few more prefs have been added and it's not quite as crash-prone as 0.2.8.
post #126 of 149
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>So far, the only difference I've noticed is that a few more prefs have been added and it's not quite as crash-prone as 0.2.8.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for keeping us in the loop, starfleetX. Anything that's more stable than 0.2.8 is better than nothing. Chimera 0.2.7 is downloading the current nightly build as I type this. Of course, without indicating status. 0.2.8 has gone to the trash.

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post #127 of 149
Also, in the newest nightly build you can edit the title of your bookmarks by simply control-clicking on each item.

Glad to see this feature added!
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post #128 of 149
So far, today's "nightly" build (whose night is it anyway) seems much more stable than 0.2.8. On the other hand, the command-[ and -] have been changed back to command-arrow commands. I thought we were going to keep both command-square-bracket and command-arrow! Can I post this feedback to the Chimera mailing list without joining it?

Also, as I am typing this message, the arrow keys allow me to move around in the text I am typing, but the cursor bar does not move. Text, however, is inserted where the arrow keys would have moved the text cursor. It's just that the cursor doesn't follow. I guess the obvious answer, which starfleetX has already pointed out, is that nightly builds are not milestone releases.

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post #129 of 149
What happened to banner blocking in Mozilla? It doesn't seem to be working anymore.
post #130 of 149
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[quote]Originally posted by mrmister:
<strong>What happened to banner blocking in Mozilla? It doesn't seem to be working anymore.</strong><hr></blockquote>Ermm... what? Mozilla has never had a default banner-blocking mechanism. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Could you be thinking of the <a href="http://bannerblind.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">Bannerblind</a> project? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
post #131 of 149
Sorry to turn this thread into an FAQ or Support page... but I can't find my answer(s) anywhere else.

I am one of the many users out there that cannot launch Chimera (Navigator) on my machine.

After the splash screen, I get the:

The application Navigator has unexpectedly quit.
The system and other applications have not been affected.

As I look at the Console.log file, I see this:

2002-06-02 11:06:20.359 Navigator[479] Failed to initialize mozilla prefs.
2002-06-02 11:06:20.359 Navigator[479] getting home page
2002-06-02 11:06:20.359 Navigator[479] startup.page: 1

Every time I try to launch it, this happens. It's been happening for the past 3 builds (including this one). I have tried all the "typical" things; trashing prefs, trashing prefs and trashing the app and re-downloading... I have no idea what to do. I miss using it, but cannot get it to run. Anyone have any idea as to what's happening with my copy...?

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post #132 of 149
Sorry... just bumping this thread up the list to see if I can get a response to my question above. Thanks.
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post #133 of 149
Scott F.: Have you tried the most recent build of Chimera? I'm no software guru but if you haven't already, I suggest you try that.

Today's build of Chimera (06/07/02) is very stable for me. It seem's they've dropped the option not to have anti-aliased text. Non-anti-aliased text rendered faster, so I had turned it off. But I guess it's ok with me. We just have to let go of the old text rendering and get used to our fuzzy vision.

It's absolutely amazing what open software developement can achieve. I really think the open source movement is going to change the way software is developed. First, democracy brought openness to government. Now it's time for transparent softare...

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post #134 of 149
Chimera .3 has been released! <a href="ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/releases/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/releases/</a>

Very nice!
post #135 of 149
[quote]Originally posted by Josey Wales:
<strong>Chimera .3 has been released! <a href="ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/releases/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/releases/</a>

Very nice! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Seems font rendering has become more screwy, like the letters aren't evenly spaced :|

And there's still a big lag when typing in text fields.
post #136 of 149
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Help! Navigator quits on launch.

Logging in as another user seems to solve this problem. I also remember playing with some files in the library folder and maybe even removing them, but I cant figure out which. They could have been normally invisible...

mika.


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Nevermind. I solved the problem. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[ 06-08-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</p>
post #137 of 149
0.3 unexpectedly quits on me all the time. Is this happening to anyone else?
I still love Chimera though, i'm just waiting for a more stable build.
post #138 of 149
I am very happy with 0.3.0, I have been using it most of today and it seems to have fixed several outstanding bugs, there is much interface work to be done and feature implimentation but this is actually more promising than Omniweb in the long term and until this point I had seen Omniweb as becoming THE Mac OS X browser.
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post #139 of 149
I'm happy with it as well. This baby is sweet!! I'm doubting whether or not I will even download Omniweb now.
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post #140 of 149
As much as I love how great this browser is becoming, I won't use it as my main browser until they get some KEY features in like a download manager. It does look very promising. Until it gets a bit more polished, Mozilla/OmniWeb ( and IE because of Microsoft's shitty windows media plug-in doesn't work with anything else ) are my main browsers. Mozilla 1.0 makes it much harder deciding between OmniWeb and Mozilla. I have 2 week periods of switching between the two. OmniWeb 5.0 also looks great and will most likely be the first browser I actually purchase.

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post #141 of 149
I could swear that Mozilla post 0.98 has gotten less stable... I'm running something similar to Chimera and it used to be rock solid, and now it crashes now and then (almost always while at forums.appleinsider.com!).It's kind of annoying, although after a crash, you have an option to restore all your pages/tabs as they were before the crash, so it's not too bad.

BTW, this is totally off-topic, but SFX: not sure if you know this, but there's a cross-fade plugin for XMMS, and it works like a charm! I was thinking, man it's weird there's no cross fading for XMMS, surely there's a plugin, and well, there's a plugin: <a href="http://www.xmms.org/plugins_output.html" target="_blank">http://www.xmms.org/plugins_output.html</a> near the bottom of the page.

It's pretty sophisticated, too, not just a quick & dirty hack.**

Sorry, I know this has nothing to do w/ Chimera, but SFX frequents this thread and my post hardly deserves a new topic.

** edit: For example, let's say your name is stimuli and you listen to hard, nasty, vulgar drum and bass, and you have lots of mp3s culled from sweet DJ mix CDs. The plugin can detect that the Mp3s are 'mixed' together on the original CD, and won't cross-fade those tracks. It will, however, get rid of any trailing/leading split-second silences, so the flow keeps going, and your head need not stop bopping as you are surfing AI.

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post #142 of 149
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>Help! Navigator quits on launch.

Logging in as another user seems to solve this problem. I also remember playing with some files in the library folder and maybe even removing them, but I cant figure out which. They could have been normally invisible...

mika.


Edit:
Nevermind. I solved the problem. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[ 06-08-2002: Message edited by: PC^KILLA ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ummm... want to share your solution with the rest of the class...? There are LOTS of us that are still "quitting" upon launch. I, too, can launch Chimera logged-in as another user, but not as myself. Is there a corrupt "hidden file" or something...? Please share your wisdom...!!!

- Scott
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post #143 of 149
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott F.:
<strong>

Ummm... want to share your solution with the rest of the class...? There are LOTS of us that are still "quitting" upon launch. I, too, can launch Chimera logged-in as another user, but not as myself. Is there a corrupt "hidden file" or something...? Please share your wisdom...!!!

- Scott</strong><hr></blockquote>


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post #144 of 149
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
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NP.
Just read pg.3 of this thread. It's all there. :cool:
Now, two to beam up...

mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks... found it... did it... using it... loving it. "Energizing..."
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post #145 of 149
[quote]Originally posted by Scott Finlayson:
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Thanks... found it... did it... using it... loving it. "Energizing..."</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oooops...! Wrong login.

I'm using Chimera now, and logged-in under the wrong name. This is Aqua-riffic...!!!

WoooHOOO!!!!
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post #146 of 149
DAGNABBIT! Now there's a NEW issue... it will NOT save my preferrences. EVERY TIME I open up Navigator (Chimera), I have to RE-Import my IE bookmarks and set the text size.

Other issues. It does NOT open up URLs (for me) outside of the application. If I click on a URL in an e-mail... it brings Chimera to the foreground, but does not load the refering link. (Yes, I set Navigator to my default browser in the System Prefs). Another thing is that even though I setup the browser for "tabbed" browsing... new windows still open-up on their own... NOT a new tab. Lastly... this might be an "old" bug... but the text-inset cursor blinks & flickers like a Mofo and is quite distracting.

Anyone else having these issues...? or is it just me...?

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post #147 of 149
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It's just you.

Sorry, but you really set yourself up for that one.
Anyway, I'm using i.e.5.1 with an 101mb Ram Disk. It's the best option right now. Use the Silk haxie to enable Quartz text rendering in Carbon applications.
Navigator still has a long way to mature...


mika.
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[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>It's just you.

Sorry, but you really set yourself up for that one.
Anyway, I'm using i.e.5.1 with an 101mb Ram Disk. It's the best option right now. Use the Silk haxie to enable Quartz text rendering in Carbon applications.
Navigator still has a long way to mature...


mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey mika, but it gives u Hebrew ... which pesky IE doesn't !!!
beautiful fast hebrew !
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[quote]Originally posted by rashumon:
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Hey mika, but it gives u Hebrew ... which pesky IE doesn't !!!
beautiful fast hebrew !</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey, wassup buddy!

Wow. You actually read the drivel they peddle. Might as well go straight to the source and read the Arab papers. Too bad Bamachane magazine stoped updating their web site. Anyway, I get most my news off the local radio stations. I only listen to Reshet Bet for the oldies songs they play.

If you want, fire me an email and Ill send you some links where you can get some real information and in ENGLISH. And not that post-Zionist steaming pile of sh*t, the daily Israeli papers, or Arutz-1 dish out.


Mika.

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