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post #41 of 149
4/23/02 at 3:32pm
word to that riceRocket
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post #42 of 149
4/23/02 at 4:11pm
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Arakageeta:

Have you tried deleting your preferences? Open up the terminal and enter the command rm -R ~/.mozilla to remove the Mach-O Mozilla and Chimera prefs. Regular Mozilla keeps its prefs in ~/Library/Mozilla. Also, I believe Mach-O requires some special compile settings to build and launch properly. I'd suggest simply downloading a Mach-O binary from <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/risc_abacus/" target="_blank">Riscky Workings</a>.

ricRocket:

Chimera can't officially be called Chimera because there was already a UNIX browser called Chimera that still owns the rights to that name. That's why they've changed the name to Navigator.

[ 04-23-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
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post #43 of 149
4/24/02 at 6:09am
[quote] Chimera can't officially be called Chimera because there was already a UNIX browser called Chimera that still owns the rights to that name. <hr></blockquote>

Fair enough, how about Chimaera?
Actually, how about *anything* more creative than "Navigator"...
okay, I'll stop whining now, it's still a great browser!

rr.

[ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: ricRocket ]</p>
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post #44 of 149
4/24/02 at 8:16am
Version 0.2.4 is out now and does include support for some plug-ins. I just finished a QT movie trailer (MIB II) and visited <a href="http://mmicons.com" target="_blank">http://mmicons.com</a> that is a very interactive Flash site. Flash is so-so and needs work as the site escaped the browsers borders and spilled over the navigation and status bars. The developers are saying it is highly crash prone on plug-in pages and only out for a lookeee here see whats going on preview. They recomend keeping 0.2.3 for a back up if you happen to use Chimera as your primary browser. Like me.

[ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: Odinn5 ]</p>
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post #45 of 149
4/24/02 at 8:15pm
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My, my, my... I get occupied with work in the *real world* and another fabulous update is released without my knowledge! [quote]Plugins plugins plugins! Quicktime seems to work rather well, but Flash still has several crashers. Pages with Flash *will* be unstable in this build. Do not replace 0.2.3 with this build unless you like living on the edge.

- Gamma correction has been returned (hopefully) to the 0.2.1 level.

- Font defaults have been tweaked a fair bit to hopefully provide a better default browsing experience than 0.2.3.

- Popups now position themselves better. (I won't go so far as to say "properly", but they're better.)

- Textareas now have an Aqua appearance (this was left out of 0.2.3).<hr></blockquote>I am VERY pleased with the 0.2.4 build. Fonts and colors are managed MUCH better than with 0.2.3 and *gasp* QuickTime actually works! Wow. Chimera may very well replace OmniWeb as my default in the near future.

<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
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post #46 of 149
4/25/02 at 1:55pm
This build rocks. Fast as greased shit. Almost kind of like browsing on a PC.
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post #47 of 149
4/26/02 at 5:56pm
Chimera 0.2.5 is out, still can't get the disk image to work.


Is anyone else having trouble?
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post #48 of 149
4/26/02 at 6:14pm
Yep. Won't Mount.
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post #49 of 149
4/26/02 at 7:12pm
It's back up again...

[quote]What's New (0.2.4 -&gt; 0.2.5)

Plugin support has been greatly improved. Crashes when scrolling pages with Flash have been fixed. This build is generally much more stable with plugins than 0.2.4. Plugins will now stay inside the window and not paint on your toolbars and status bar.

The ability to choose your renderer has been fully implemented. From the View menu, you can select "Smooth Text" to use Quartz anti-aliasing. If you turn this option off, you will be using Quickdraw un-antialiased text. International users can turn off the Quartz anti-aliasing to view non-Roman characters. This can also be used as a good debugging tool to find out whether performance or rendering problems are specific to our Quartz rendering implementation.

Menulist popups will now position themselves properly when the page is scrolled.

You can now drag and drop links from a page onto Gecko windows to load the URL in that window. <hr></blockquote>

Go and get it. <a href="http://chimera.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">Chimera/Navigator</a>

[ 04-27-2002: Message edited by: Odinn5 ]</p>
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post #50 of 149
4/26/02 at 10:28pm
Okay! It's back up and the image mounted fine.

As far as I can tell 0.2.5 is just as rad an improvement as all the others have been!

Microsoft better keep an eye on this one...we're not even to version 1.0 yet, and it's gettin' dang close to being a complete replacement for me!

Rock on Chimera!!

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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post #51 of 149
4/26/02 at 10:55pm
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Wow. The switch for antialiased text is excellent!

Rendering is definitely faster using the older Carbon font smoothing calls. That's probably Apple's fault, though. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #52 of 149
4/27/02 at 11:50am
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The speed of Chimera/Navigator 0.2.5 is really impressive! I can't wait to be able to change my preferences and ditch IE for good. Chimera reminds me more and more of the good time when Netscape Navigator was years ahead of IE.

Does anybody know whether the team is going to implement a function that prevents pop-up and pop-under windows like in OmniWeb? With the recent increase in annoying pop-up ads, that function is absolutely essential.

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post #53 of 149
4/27/02 at 12:23pm
What site are you seeing popunders at? I know the functionality you are seeking is already implemented. Check your prefs.js in ~/.mozilla/ for
user_pref("browser.popups.showPopupBlocker", true);
and set it to true (browser must not be running when you make the change).
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post #54 of 149
4/28/02 at 9:11am
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[quote]Originally posted by foamy:
<strong>What site are you seeing popunders at? I know the functionality you are seeking is already implemented. Check your prefs.js in ~/.mozilla/ for
user_pref("browser.popups.showPopupBlocker", true);
and set it to true (browser must not be running when you make the change).</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's mostly nytimes.com, but also versiontracker.com and macnn.com. I haven't tested it out much since Chimera is not yet my primary browser. However, to my great (positive) suprise, I just went to the NY Times web site. and I got a menubox stating that the website had just tried to open an unauthorized popup window (probably an ad) and whether I would want to disable popups. Chimera kicks ass! To me, eliminating popup ads is even more important than plugin support, and it already works at this early stage. Kudos to the Chimera development team!

Escher

PS: I am positng this from Chimera 0.2.5 and still having minor issues with the text box. But I'm sure it'll get better with more revisions.
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post #55 of 149
4/28/02 at 8:45pm
Just to let you know there is a forum dedicated to Chimera/Navigator.

<a href="http://www.eternaltedium.com/cgi-bin/chimeraboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3ccca8da6febffff" target="_blank">Chimera Forum</a>

I know it's sad, a full forum just for a browser, but I was all over it as soon as I heard of it.
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post #56 of 149
4/29/02 at 2:50am
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Chimera 0.2.6 is out.

New features!
* Import bookmarks from Mozilla, Netscape, Internet Explorer, or Omniweb. This should make some of new converts much happier.
* View Page Source is working. By default, it loads the source into a new tab in the same window.
* Proxy support! Chimera should now respect the settings in your System Prefs Network pane. Bill M: please let us know if this works.

[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
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post #57 of 149
4/29/02 at 8:56am
Won't even get past the start up splash screen before crashing.

Hopefully they will post a new version sometime soon, as it seems I am not alone.

Others who have got it runnung have said that the form controls seem broken.

Anyways at the rate the post new versions I won't have to wait too long.
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post #58 of 149
4/29/02 at 1:31pm
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Strange, everything (that normally works) has been working perfectly fine for me. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #59 of 149
4/29/02 at 1:44pm
starfleetx, I'm downloading 0.2.6 right now, I will let you know if it works with my proxy settings shortly.

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post #60 of 149
4/29/02 at 6:41pm
Man, these just keep chugging along. Each update is getting less and less buggy.
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post #61 of 149
4/29/02 at 7:24pm
It's a 404 now.

StarfleetX, please stop editing this same post. It's annoying. Just post a new thread, so that new discussion can occur. Otherwise it gets too confusing and there are just too many edits.
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post #62 of 149
4/29/02 at 7:40pm
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[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:
<strong>StarfleetX, please stop editing this same post.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You'd rather have a dozen or more threads on the same general subject? Eh, fine with me. I just thought it was better keeping it all in one central location so we don't get redundant threads or people asking questions or reporting problems that were already known in previous versions (and thus previous threads).

If it bothers you so much, I will stop posting here and start making new threads for every single release. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
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post #63 of 149
4/29/02 at 8:27pm
This is odd, buttons dont seem to be working for submitting things like posts and etc... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #64 of 149
4/29/02 at 10:19pm
[quote]Originally posted by foneroot:
<strong>This is odd, buttons dont seem to be working for submitting things like posts and etc... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I had the same problem. I couldn't log in here with it. Too bad. I finally get my bookmarks imported easily and now I can't really use it. Maybe the next release...
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post #65 of 149
4/29/02 at 10:38pm
I think there's a general problem with buttons, forums and the like. 0.2.5 was the first version in which I managed to post in a forum successfully.

I'm pretty sure that when this happens, almost all of the links on the page you're browsing become unresponsive - what has everyone else found?
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post #66 of 149
4/30/02 at 2:20am
[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
<strong>
You'd rather have a dozen or more threads on the same general subject? Eh, fine with me. I just thought it was better keeping it all in one central location so we don't get redundant threads or people asking questions or reporting problems that were already known in previous versions (and thus previous threads).

If it bothers you so much, I will stop posting here and start making new threads for every single release. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[ 04-29-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's just too confusing otherwise. Plus, everytime I click on this thread from the main forums listing it goes to the first page, and I have to load the first page, including all of the screenshots and stuff I've already seen, then load up the second page, and then just scroll down to find that there were no more comments of any merit, or you just changed the post.

Dozens is a bit of a stretch. I mean, it seems like every week or so there's a new .1 version out. Sometimes less. But this is pretty important.. Chimera is going to be HUGE for Apple and OS X in the future. It's got massive speed, it's got a beautiful interface (and most importantly, it's within Aqua guidelines), great rendering, and it's being worked on really hard. It's one of the future Mac browser possibilities, and that's been an issue lately, with Macs (browsing). So it's a big thing that a lot of us are interested in, I don't think anyone will get sick of a few more threads that aren't about iSoftware this or iSoftware that around here.

Besides, a few more threads may well get it some more attention, and more downloads, thus more momentum. And that sure can't hurt!

I'd post them myself, but.. I just don't know how you get these updates so quick, not to mention the prereleases.
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post #67 of 149
4/30/02 at 7:42am
  • Escher
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[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:
<strong>everytime I click on this thread from the main forums listing it goes to the first page, and I have to load the first page, including all of the screenshots and stuff I've already seen, then load up the second page, and then just scroll down to find that there were no more comments of any merit, or you just changed the post.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Give me a break, Brad! You could simply click on the "2" in the topic headings and get straight to the latest page in the thread. Personally, I wish everybody in these fora would have the discipline to maintain single threads on single topics, like starfleetX has been doing. Especially for the people who don't have the time to check for new threads (Chimera or other) every day or minute, a unified thread is far superior.

Back on topic, I have two questions: (1) How do you use the new import bookmarks feature? I can't find the function in any of the menus. (2) Can I edit my preferences manually to change my homepage from a blank page to something else? If yes, how do I do that? TIA.

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post #68 of 149
4/30/02 at 8:23am
Just rename the thread "Chimera Updates Discussion" or something and leave it like that.
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post #69 of 149
4/30/02 at 8:54am
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kids, kids... Escher/Starfleet are right.

One thread is best. I'll try to see if i can get some manner of hack cooked up that would allow you to go straight to the last post in the thread from the front page... no promises though.
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post #70 of 149
4/30/02 at 3:36pm
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>kids, kids... Escher/Starfleet are right.

One thread is best. I'll try to see if i can get some manner of hack cooked up that would allow you to go straight to the last post in the thread from the front page... no promises though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I disagree. A thread for each of the new betas is not that big of a deal. It's no more "right" or "wrong" than doing it this way in the first place. And what's up with the "kids, kids"? Is it now juvenile to bring up any kind of criticism about something that I think could be different?

If somebody is going to post, they're going to post in one thread or another. Making separate threads for each of the versions to organize it better is a perfectly logical idea. This isn't an email discussion list where we're tied to a certain subject line for organization, we can have separate topics for branches of a similar topic of discussion. It's not about me having to load two more pages than I should have to, it's about using this to our advantage.
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post #71 of 149
4/30/02 at 3:43pm
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it's a petty argument. hence the kids, kids.


it is well within the forum-wide guideline of a minimum of threads about a particular topic to be doing this sort of perpetual thread.


[quote]Originally posted by bradbower:
<strong>

I disagree. A thread for each of the new betas is not that big of a deal. It's no more "right" or "wrong" than doing it this way in the first place. And what's up with the "kids, kids"? Is it now juvenile to bring up any kind of criticism about something that I think could be different?

If somebody is going to post, they're going to post in one thread or another. Making separate threads for each of the versions to organize it better is a perfectly logical idea. This isn't an email discussion list where we're tied to a certain subject line for organization, we can have separate topics for branches of a similar topic of discussion. It's not about me having to load two more pages than I should have to, it's about using this to our advantage.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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post #72 of 149
4/30/02 at 6:54pm
Just wanted to report that 0.2.6 does indeed work with proxy settings in the Network Preferences Pane.

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post #73 of 149
4/30/02 at 9:39pm
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Thanks for the confirmation Bill.

FYI, William fixed the form control bug Monday and Mike was supposed to put out a new binary on Tuesday. Hopefully he can get the crash-on-launch bug that some of you are encountering fixed by 0.2.7 also.
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post #74 of 149
4/30/02 at 9:43pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Escher:
<strong>Back on topic, I have two questions:</strong><hr></blockquote>1) Bookmarks -&gt; Manage Bookmarks -&gt; Import Bookmarks...
2) Hmm. Not sure. I've been tinkering with my prefs files and still can't get one working.

[ 05-01-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
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post #75 of 149
5/1/02 at 6:10am
  • Escher
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[quote]Originally posted by starfleetX:
[QB]1) Bookmarks -&gt; Manage Bookmarks -&gt; Import Bookmarks...
2) Hmm. Not sure. I've been tinkering with my prefs files and still can't get one working.<hr></blockquote>

Thanks for the answers, starfleetX. Now if I could only drag and drop the bookmarks to reorganize them.

As for changing the homepage, for some reason Chimera has been starting up on my personal homepage, without me telling it to do so. I image it has something to do with the fact that I always load my homepage first, or that it was the first link that I added to my bookmarks. In any case, I'm sure that editing preferences will be implemented soon enough.

Jonathan: Thank you for confirming what is a longstanding AI boards policy. PS: It was nice to see your face on the AI members site.

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post #76 of 149
5/3/02 at 5:58am
in case of ...

What's New (0.2.6 -&gt; 0.2.7) You can now drag the page proxy icon from the URL bar to the personal toolbar or to the bookmarks in the drawer.
The proxy icon can be dragged to the tab strip (as can bookmarks from the drawer) to create new tabs.
You can now reorder your bookmarks using drag and drop in the drawer.
The key bindings for back and forward have been changed from arrows to the bracket keys.
The bug with not being able to type in forms on your home page has been fixed.

<a href="http://idisk.mac.com/mozilladave/Public/chimera27.dmg.gz" target="_blank">http://idisk.mac.com/mozilladave/Public/chimera27.dmg.gz</a>
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post #77 of 149
5/3/02 at 6:48am
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Damn. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> I can't believe those buggers on the mailing list actually got them to change from the arrow keys to the brackets...

Just out of curiosity, who here would rather keep back/forward on the traditional left/right arrow keys like all other web browsers?

Yeah, 0.2.7 is a good upgrade overall, but I hate these new key bindings. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
In addition, the new bindings are sure to wreak havoc on people with non-US keyboards.

[ 05-03-2002: Message edited by: starfleetX ]</p>
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post #78 of 149
5/3/02 at 7:43am
Ack! yes, my vote is in for going back to arrow keys!

Anyway, Chimera is great, with pulgin support and bookmark importing and organization, it is coming closer and closer to becoming my primary browser. Oh, maybe I'm just missing something, but how does one go about closing an individual browser tab?
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post #79 of 149
5/3/02 at 7:48am
Whoa - I second that emoticon... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

Leave it at the arrow keys like other browsers... a standard that makes sense!

rr.
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5/3/02 at 8:06am
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[quote]Originally posted by SledgeHammer:
<strong>how does one go about closing an individual browser tab?</strong><hr></blockquote>command-y

Agreed, it's not the best solution. Hopefully they'll add a close button/widget somewhere similar to Mozilla. Here's a little 2-minute mockup I made.

<a href="http://brad.project-think.com/images/NavigatorTabCloseButton.png" target="_blank">Close-tab button?</a>
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