Cheney shoots someone - Page 2

lol... he had 'other priorities". (Cathy O'Brien amongst others can testify to that). What an asshole.

Cheney's shooting score so far:
Viet Cong: 0, U.S.: 1

as a quail and pheasant hunter (got my limit 3 weeks ago) when ever you are crossing another hunters path or line of site, you announce your position, behind, front, left right, etc. it's hunting etiquette. i've been peppered because i didn't. you work the field as a team, and define who has front, left right, NO ONE shoots front to behind. besides, he was using a 28 gauge with 8 shot, stings and can get under your skin, if not the face then, it's just an unfortunate side of hunting birds. my questions, what choke did he use, what gun and prep and oh did he get the quail. these city slicker reporter had not a clue about this hunting thing from their questions it made him out to be a terrorist and stalker. i quess they don't have enough news to work. it's a minimal story. more people get injured falling from tree stands than shot. and it was a quail hunt.... no big deal. media is making it into a mountain,

That's a good point NOFEER.

On the one hand segovious has a point about breaking your weapon to a fault, but that's almost more appropriate while shooting skeet or trap; in which case, depending on the crowd, it's almost mandatory. I've hunted a lot of ducks (but never quail) jumping them from pools/tanks, so there is a lot of walking about with firearms, but when it comes time to 'jump them' you know where they are. You know who's going to shoot first depending on where they head, that sort of thing.

In any event, whatever you are doing or about to do in the field, you need to let everybody know. No one wants to be known as 'that guy who....'.


Totally off-topic, but I just found out by accident that Apple-; in the post editing window, will highlight your spelling errors; right click to fix them. Nice

OK all you pussy Repubs that haven't handled guns as much as me, like you Chris Cuilla...

Northgate is right. Go take a hunter's safety course and come back, or shut up.

Yeah, I hit 30 out of 30 pigeons with a 12 gauge, and I'm pretty mean with a .22 too. I have the Riflery merit badge. I know about guns. That's why I'm pro-gun restriction laws, and also pro-Dick Cheney is a fucking asshole and it is all his fault.

Can I make that my sig?

Yes.

Calm down sparky.

The main story from this, in the end, isn't going to be that Dick Cheney shot someone, it's going to be that Dick Cheney shot someone and no one knew about it for 24 hours.

After all, it's not the crime (even if there are no charges brought here), it's the coverup.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if these guys were drinking before they went hunting. We know they were shooting birds that were bred and raised specifically for hunting, we know it was a late Saturday afternoon, we know that the Sheriff was not allowed onto the property after Whittington was shot. Cheney was not questioned until Sunday where he told them that he hadn't been drinking.

Taking a page from the Republican's book, "We live in Troubled Times". Cheney is next in the line of succession to be President of the United States if something should happen to Bush, yet when something like this happens, they don't think the people have a right to know what's going on? He doesn't want to disclose anything about his health, he seems to spend a lot of time in a bunker or undisclosed location, and he generally refuses to speak to the press. The only reason we seem to know anything about the VP's health is when he's going in for surgery where there is a risk that he could die.

Assuming that this was an accident, we still have a right to know what's going on. Heck, President Bush fell off his bike a while back and that was on the news right away. That was an accident too but was a lot less serious than Cheney shooting someone. Yet we knew about it right away.

You have to be concerned that if Cheney did become President, the public wouldn't know what was going on. After all, that's the way he operates. Of course the press is going to be all over him, he shot a man. I can't think of any other public official on any level that could shoot someone and not ever have to answer a question about it.

Well said.

I read this over at 'NN:




Though I wonder which gun he used. This is, after all, Dick Cheney.

This is one of many examples of the regime seeing itself as not being accountable to anyone. Harping about his issue will, however, accomplish nothing. The regime loyalists have done a fabulous job of damage control.

i dont think this is a real story. its a joke. it should be over soon enough. a very powerful and important man made a stupid mistake in a private and personal matter. there was no crime; it was an accident. a very unfortunate accident. i dont think this should become anything more than a late night joke. like the "fool me once;" it was great, and it showed us just how inarticulate the most powerful man in the world can be, and it amoutned to a whole heap of nothing (just as it should've); hopefully this'll turn out the same. on a scale of the vp and his responsibilities and whatnot, i think of this shooting as the same magnitude as me dropping and breaking a bong; a great tragedy, sure, but nothing more.

unless the bastard had some kind of intent. maybe this lawyer dood was trying to rustle up a real story and the vp was trying to silence him. that'd be something to write about. but that didn't happen. its a big hilarious nothing.

Boyfriend. Car accident. 42-43 years ago.

Correction: there was a crime (though your definition of that may vary). Cheney "forgot" to buy a hunting stamp from Texas authorities.

$7 dollars, but it's not something you and I could get away with. Little Dicky apparantly can.

Ah, thanks

I don't think that it would be that big of a deal if you or I did it either.

Cheney was issued a warning. Standard procedure.

I want to reiterate something...

The VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES shot a 78 year old man IN THE FACE!



Just imagine if Al Gore did this. Oh, lordy.

Not "a big deal" but it wouldn't be ignored either. Shoot a man in the face while you're breaking a law, however trivial it may seem?

You're in for some ticket lovin'.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021400869.html

Some choice quotes:


Scotty lets it slip and informs the nation who really is in charge:

Scotty loses his 'cool':

I think he's starting to burn out like Ari did.

um... i hope i'm not alone in the irony of that statement catching my eye.

and aside from the, i guess arguable, flagrant disregard of hunting norms (or the fact that homeboy was hunting from a car, shooting low, and tried to pass off blame) there are two bigger issues that come out from this news story. first is that cheney didn't even bother to get the right license (which can cause both a steep per=bird fine and revocation of hunting rights for a number of years). and second is the question of why wasn't this released to the public by the proper channels considering he's the VP. instead it was released by a ranch owner who called up the local paper and we're left wondering about if she hadn't would it have ever come out in the first place. also...why wasn't Bush told until much later?

Ummm...maybe you don't understand the rules of the game. Let me try to explain them to you:

1. If the administration is Republican, go immediately to rule #2, else go to rule #5

2. No matter what anyone in the administration does (or did, no matter how far in the past, irrelevant or generally unrelated), assume that it is a flagrant disregard for any and all laws, rules of conduct and established moral codes of behaviour, and further that they are evil and intent on harm in every action they take or word they speak.

3. If anyone disagrees with you in #2, assume they are a "fundie", "winger" member of the "Cult of Bush".

4. Go to rule #2.

Actually the rules of the game are as follows:

1) If a crime is committed by a member of the federal government or the president/vice president's office and the opposition demands accountability, go to #2. If the office holder happens to be a Republican, go to #3. If the office holder happens to be a Democrat.

2) We live in post 9/11 world.

3) It's just crass politics being played by Democrats.

4) Mock and ridicule ad-nauseum by the mainstream media until the theme of stupid boobery permeats the public concience thus ensuring another 4 years of Republican rule.

The victim just had a heart attack. Cheney could wind up killing the man...

i'll tell you why. because its not a big deal. and the vp hoped he could be spared the late night talk show jokes. now that its out, everyone is making fun of him. i bet all the interns are wearing bright orange, theres probably dead-lawyer jokes taped to his door and hunting signs all over the east wing. the man wanted to be spared some embarassment; and now that its out, we can wallow in the hilarity. maybe his cold black heart was genuinely upset for injuring his friend, and in a flustered state, he didn't remember to send out a press release. bfd. there are probably a million likely reasons that the vp/whitehouse didn't put it through normal channels.

we should be focusing on the high crimes and misdemeanors. the president of the united states may or may not have broken the law wrt fisa and wiretapping. thats a story. the vp may or may not have outted a possibly covert cia operative. thats the kind of shit we should be huffy over. lets not get distracted over something silly and unimportant.

Wuh?

Waaaah... baby wanna cry?

Awww, poor Repubwicans....

We should stop picking on the fundies wingers and members of the "Cult of Bush".

Obligatory smiley faces:

"is in stable condition and has been moved back into intensive care and will remain hospitalized for up to seven days"

and...

"Some of the bird shot appears to have moved and lodged into part of his heart ... in what we would say is a minor heart attack," said Peter Banko, administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/...ney/index.html

I guess it's no longer a one-day story anymore.

Come on now. He had to be MUCH closer than 30 yards away for buck shot to get that far into his chest cavity.

I smell a coverup.

So what happens if he dies? If Cheney wasn't they veep, he could be facing some legal difficulties. If Cheney had been drinking, for example, he could be in deep shit.

Well...it (likely) wouldn't be "murder" in the legal sense. Manslaughter (involuntary)...possibly "reckless" if there was alcohol involved (which is pure speculation as far as I know at this point).

Well, we'll never know if Cheney had been drinking because the secret service "conveniently" made sure he was interviewed by the Sheriff until the following morning. Plenty of time to either sober up or ensure his blood alcohol level had normalized.

I'm not saying he was in fact drunk. But the story's sequence doesn't pass the sniff test.

So its good that we can just simply speculate.

If this turns into a criminal manner, people can be called for their testimony under oath.

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Umm All I meant was that noone would get a huge punishment for not having their tag. It is not that big of a violaton.

I know.

I'd relish the moment. But it won't happen. He's a Republican. He won't be held accountable. At least not by the media.

No doubt.

If the reports about what Libby is saying are accurate, Cheney has much more significant legal troubles coming from elsewhere right now.