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post #81 of 156
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Well it is interesting what do you think.

SPAM Here it is

You're posting this AGAIN? Hell, this is the third time.

Wonder how long it will take the mods to ban this guy for spamming...

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post #82 of 156
I can see BRussell's point.

If your boss came to you and said, "Order yourself a new laptop, money no object" and then the supplier announces a faster one before they've even shipped yours, you'd be somewhat annoyed at missing out on the fastest one.
post #83 of 156
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You're posting this AGAIN? Hell, this is the third time.

Wonder how long it will take the mods to ban this guy for spamming...



hmmm i was wondering why he was saying it was interesting with 4 bs posts \
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post #84 of 156
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Originally posted by BRussell
I'm sure many people won't care and will just take the new model and be happy, but don't dismiss my concern about the change just because some people will be happy with it.

And that's the thing. 99% of people WILL be happy with it.

Suck it up buttercup
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post #85 of 156
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Wonder how long it will take the mods to ban this guy for spamming...

LOL - you guys, don't keep quoting the URL of what he is spamming, and I can ban him a lot faster.
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post #86 of 156
BRussel: I think it's ridiculous to whine about a free upgrade when the only real reason is iPenis envy.

Do you honestly think your machine will be any less capable than the 2.16 in, say, two years??

That tenth of a second is REALLY going to kill you doing filters in photoshop. You'll be out of business!
post #87 of 156
excuse me: "Penis Pro"
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LOL - you guys, don't keep quoting the URL of what he is spamming, and I can ban him a lot faster.

Actually, when I quoted him I changed his url to a bogus one.



Thanks for stepping in, that was getting annoying.
post #89 of 156
I just received my email from Apple that my order's been upgraded. But, my estimated ship date has slipped from Feb 15 to Feb 23. Sigh.
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post #90 of 156
Perhaps this means we will get a dual core on the MacBook (iBook) and Mac mini after all, at least on the high-end configurations.

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post #91 of 156
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Originally posted by BRussell
No, I'm complaining that they changed the top end model, and more generally, I'm complaining that Apple screwed up.
Is Apple your mother or something? They mis-predicted what they were going to be able to offer. There's no other way to spin it, unless you're a blind Apple fanboy who thinks this company never screws up.

You do realize that you have no idea about what you're saying?

If you KNOW why Apple did this, then speak. Otherwise, don't!

There could have been several reasons. The most likely one is that the quantity of higher speed shipping cpus has increased more quickly than expected, and Apple got better pricing as a result. Otherwise they wouldn't be selling these at the same price.

Another, but less likely reason is that battery life has proven to be somewhat better than expected, so that faster cpu's are possible. Same being true of heat.

don't be so fast to assign blame because you are pissed.

The 2.16 is not a high-end model. It is a build-to-order model. Completely different, as you should know.

You asked for the high-end model, and you will get it.
post #92 of 156
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
The point was that it bodes well for small and lighter Apple notebooks with Core Duo in, not a direct comparison. Kim reckoned there wasn't a smaller notebook with one in.

Not a smaller one, a thinner one.
post #93 of 156
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I'm sure many people won't care and will just take the new model and be happy, but don't dismiss my concern about the change just because some people will be happy with it.

Intel to Apple "We can now deliver 2Ghz and 2.16 Ghz Core chips at suffiecient levels for your needs."

Apple to Customer "We are upgrading all Mac Book Pro orders for no additional cost, and will soon ship a 2.16 Ghz Mac Book Pro."

Could you see Apple in their boardroom meeting. "Should we upgrade the processor for free? 99% of our custmers would be extremely happy with the upgrade but we risk alienating BRussel, instead of a 1.8 Ghz dual processor laptop he will now have a 2Ghz dual processor laptop and will no longer have the fastest laptop we offer, which will cause him much inconvenience."


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If your boss came to you and said, "Order yourself a new laptop, money no object" and then the supplier announces a faster one before they've even shipped yours, you'd be somewhat annoyed at missing out on the fastest one.


You are getting a faster machine than the one you origianlly ordered. Apple is not obligated to insure that anyone has the fastest machine at any one time. There will always be a faster machine to be had.
post #94 of 156
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Originally posted by palter
I just received my email from Apple that my order's been upgraded. But, my estimated ship date has slipped from Feb 15 to Feb 23. Sigh.

Although I've already changed my order, I got my email and it gave me the new shipping date of Feb. 28 even though I ordered the day the were announced. I'm not feeling quite so bad about waiting the extra time for the 2.16 now considering I already would have had to wait another couple of weeks.
post #95 of 156
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Originally posted by melgross
Not a smaller one, a thinner one.

Once more with feeling....

IBM X60 12.1" screen is 0.8" thick. It's both smaller AND thinner. The bigger T60 is 1" thick, same as the MacBook Pro. The Sony SZ starts off thinner where it matters, at your hand.

Do people put blinkers on when they buy Apple kit? It's just bizarre that some people will continually deny that other companies can't do the same as Apple.

It puts me in an odd position, defending reality yet arguing with Apple fans even though you'd not catch me buying anything but Apple.
post #96 of 156
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Originally posted by TenoBell
You are getting a faster machine than the one you origianlly ordered. Apple is not obligated to insure that anyone has the fastest machine at any one time. There will always be a faster machine to be had.

That's one way of looking at it. The other is you've not managed to diddle your boss out of more money. ;-)
post #97 of 156
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Once more with feeling....

IBM X60 12.1" screen is 0.8" thick. It's both smaller AND thinner. The bigger T60 is 1" thick, same as the MacBook Pro. The Sony SZ starts off thinner where it matters, at your hand.

Do people put blinkers on when they buy Apple kit? It's just bizarre that some people will continually deny that other companies can't do the same as Apple.

It puts me in an odd position, defending reality yet arguing with Apple fans even though you'd not catch me buying anything but Apple.

It's just that the comparisons have to be of like units for a starter. You wouldn't make a comparison between the iBook and the PowerBook, because they aren't comparable.

It's like making a comparison betwween a two seater and a sedan. The two seater IS smaller, but it's a different kind of car, with a different purpose.

Compare like to like.

The MacBook Pro isn't a notebook. It's a laptop. Compare it to other laptops.

When comparing thicknesses, the thinnest area isn't the relevant part. It would be fine to say that the Sony is from .9 to 1.3 inches thick, compared to the Apple, which is 1.05 inches thick.
post #98 of 156
BRussell: If money really isn't a problem, just order a 2,16GhZ Core Duo Processor, shove it in your MacBook (since it's plug n play) and voila, fastest Laptop Apple offers. You can then eBay the 2,0 GhZ and get a decent price for it.

And to people who think this offers room for a dual core iBook: I don't think so, it's more likely they did this so there would ba a difference in advertised speed betweene a top line, 1,67 GhZ Core Solo iBook and a More expensive MacBook Pro, that will no longer have an equally fast 1,67GhZ Core Duo (at least, to people that that don't know a lot about computers, this would appear as 2 equally fast computers, but now this won't occur)
post #99 of 156
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Originally posted by TenoBell
Intel to Apple "We can now deliver 2Ghz and 2.16 Ghz Core chips at suffiecient levels for your needs."

Apple to Customer "We are upgrading all Mac Book Pro orders for no additional cost, and will soon ship a 2.16 Ghz Mac Book Pro."

Could you see Apple in their boardroom meeting. "Should we upgrade the processor for free? 99% of our custmers would be extremely happy with the upgrade but we risk alienating BRussel, instead of a 1.8 Ghz dual processor laptop he will now have a 2Ghz dual processor laptop and will no longer have the fastest laptop we offer, which will cause him much inconvenience."

Intel to Apple: We're not sure what we can deliver.

Jobs: Fuck 'em, I wanna give my dog and pony show. I need to have my "one more thing!"

BRussell: Jeezus, I just wish Apple would actually announce what they have so customers aren't ordering blind.

Apple Patriots on AI: OMG Apple is teh GOD!1!
post #100 of 156
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Originally posted by Lorre
BRussell: If money really isn't a problem, just order a 2,16GhZ Core Duo Processor, shove it in your MacBook (since it's plug n play) and voila, fastest Laptop Apple offers. You can then eBay the 2,0 GhZ and get a decent price for it.

And to people who think this offers room for a dual core iBook: I don't think so, it's more likely they did this so there would ba a difference in advertised speed betweene a top line, 1,67 GhZ Core Solo iBook and a More expensive MacBook Pro, that will no longer have an equally fast 1,67GhZ Core Duo (at least, to people that that don't know a lot about computers, this would appear as 2 equally fast computers, but now this won't occur)

I don't know. I've been thinking about this.

Two reasons why an iBook would have a single core. One is that it's less expensive. Two is that it would give longer battery life.

If the price of the chips is down, a possibility now, that might allow a dual core 1.67 chip in an ibook. If Apple found better battery life than they were expecting, that might also allow it.

It's a toss-up right now. Most likely, we won't wee a dual in there. Not at first, at least.

But, as we see, Apple can still surprise us!

If the price dropped, a high end Mini would be a good choice. The dual is needed for 1080p H.264 decoding.
post #101 of 156
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
The Sony SZ starts off thinner where it matters, at your hand.

Do people put blinkers on when they buy Apple kit? It's just bizarre that some people will continually deny that other companies can't do the same as Apple.

It's just bizarre that some people will insist that a laptop at 1.3 inches is thinner than one that's one inch.

Congratulations, you found the X60! Now give the sony a rest already.
post #102 of 156
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Once more with feeling....

IBM X60 12.1" screen is 0.8" thick. It's both smaller AND thinner. The bigger T60 is 1" thick, same as the MacBook Pro. The Sony SZ starts off thinner where it matters, at your hand.

Do people put blinkers on when they buy Apple kit? It's just bizarre that some people will continually deny that other companies can't do the same as Apple.

It puts me in an odd position, defending reality yet arguing with Apple fans even though you'd not catch me buying anything but Apple.

I understand. You have small hands. You know what they say about guys with small hands...
post #103 of 156
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Originally posted by BRussell
[B]Intel to Apple: We're not sure what we can deliver.

Jobs: Ok, give us the best you can, and when you have faster cpu's then give us those as well.

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BRussell: Jeezus, I just wish Apple would actually announce what they have so customers aren't ordering blind.

Apple Patriots on AI: OMG Apple is teh GOD!1!

Welcome to the world of x86, where companies upgrade their machines overnight, without telling anyone.
post #104 of 156
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Originally posted by Slotracer152
I understand. You have small hands. You know what they say about guys with small hands...

He's in England, I'm not sure if that applies.
post #105 of 156
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Originally posted by BRussell
Intel to Apple: We're not sure what we can deliver.

Jobs: Fuck 'em, I wanna give my dog and pony show. I need to have my "one more thing!"

BRussell: Jeezus, I just wish Apple would actually announce what they have so customers aren't ordering blind.

Apple Patriots on AI: OMG Apple is teh GOD!1!

If "fuck em" means "give them more than they ordered" than I say bring it on.

And "ordering blind"? If you ordered a spindle of 50 blank DVD's and they sent you 100, would you be pissed about that too? How dare they!!!

In this case "apple patriots" apparently means anyone with half a brain - do you really have to be a platform zealot to be in favor of free upgrades?

Thank god you're not running apple. Talk about getting fucked over...
post #106 of 156
Almost $300 for 160Mhz more? I don't think so.

BRussell, I understand your point, but you really need to keep this in perspective. In this world, getting more of anything for the same price is a good thing. If people only want a 1.8Ghz machine, then let them cancel their original order and reorder it at a cheaper price. That's their prerogative.

If not having that extra 160Mhz per core gets your panties in a bunch, I have no sympathy for you. It's 160Mhz difference. Your machine will still be viable well into the future. Just live with it. It's not worth stressing over and bitching about here.
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post #107 of 156
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Originally posted by CosmoNut
Almost $300 for 160Mhz more? I don't think so.

BRussell, I understand your point, but you really need to keep this in perspective. In this world, getting more of anything for the same price is a good thing. If people only want a 1.8Ghz machine, then let them cancel their original order and reorder it at a cheaper price. That's their prerogative.

If not having that extra 160Mhz per core gets your panties in a bunch, I have no sympathy for you. It's 160Mhz difference. Your machine will still be viable well into the future. Just live with it. It's not worth stressing over and bitching about here.

He's complaining because it isn't his money, it's his company's. So he doesn't care.

It's the cup half empty, half full question. To him, it's half full.

The problem seems to lie with his company's procurement procedures. As he said, they couldn't change their order. He should be bitching about his company's screwed up ordering process.

As we have seen, Apple is only too happy to upgrade a current order.
post #108 of 156
my shipment date has also moved from the 15th all the way back to the 28th! ouch!


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oh well. worth it for the extra gigs
post #109 of 156
how about orders placed at mac stores in europe?

does anyone know if they will get their stuff late?
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i also got an email saying mine was upgraded to a 2.0. It bascialyl said because of the upgrade it wont be until the 28th its shipped.

Hopefully they are giving everyone this info, but will get some out sooner because all the press releases ive seen said they will start shipping laptops this week. Whose are they shipping this week if those of us that ordered on the day it was announced have to wait 2 more weeks?

I'm seriously tempted to just cancel my order and get my money back for the applecare they already charged me for, and just wait til like the end of mark or early april and buy something then. Ive already been waiting over a month and they want me to wait 2 more weeks... or more... on the 28th they may just announce like.. even upgraded you order with a free copy of supercoolgame 3.0, and now your upgraded machine will be shipped by December 2007!
post #111 of 156
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Originally posted by doh123
i also got an email saying mine was upgraded to a 2.0. It bascialyl said because of the upgrade it wont be until the 28th its shipped.

Hopefully they are giving everyone this info, but will get some out sooner because all the press releases ive seen said they will start shipping laptops this week. Whose are they shipping this week if those of us that ordered on the day it was announced have to wait 2 more weeks?

I'm seriously tempted to just cancel my order and get my money back for the applecare they already charged me for, and just wait til like the end of mark or early april and buy something then. Ive already been waiting over a month and they want me to wait 2 more weeks... or more... on the 28th they may just announce like.. even upgraded you order with a free copy of supercoolgame 3.0, and now your upgraded machine will be shipped by December 2007!

Don't be silly!
post #112 of 156
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Originally posted by doh123

Whose are they shipping this week if those of us that ordered on the day it was announced have to wait 2 more weeks?

It looks like they've sent that email to everyone instead of trying to send a ton of customized emails. Supposedly, the first machines ARE shipping by the end of the week, people will know from the apple website once it's updated.

Don't forget, Apple has a precedent of announcing things shipping BY a date, which gives them the flexibility of sending it any time before that. I remember reports of people getting emails like this, then receiving their order a day or two later.
post #113 of 156
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Originally posted by minderbinder
It looks like they've sent that email to everyone instead of trying to send a ton of customized emails. Supposedly, the first machines ARE shipping by the end of the week, people will know from the apple website once it's updated.

Don't forget, Apple has a precedent of announcing things shipping BY a date, which gives them the flexibility of sending it any time before that. I remember reports of people getting emails like this, then receiving their order a day or two later.

I've gotten e-mails and letters from companies telling me that the delivery of my order was delayedand I had ALREADY received it!
post #114 of 156
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Originally posted by minderbinder
It looks like they've sent that email to everyone instead of trying to send a ton of customized emails. Supposedly, the first machines ARE shipping by the end of the week, people will know from the apple website once it's updated.

Don't forget, Apple has a precedent of announcing things shipping BY a date, which gives them the flexibility of sending it any time before that. I remember reports of people getting emails like this, then receiving their order a day or two later.

Ah, but they have updated the website and, as far as we know, there's no one left with a ship date of this week. (If you're order's been upgraded and you still have a ship date this week, please do speak up.)

I just spoke to someone at Apple and she claimed that no machines are shipping this week. Which, of course, contradicts the press release.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

For the record, my machine was a stock 1.83GHz. It's now a stock 2.0GHz with an estimated ship date of Feb 23. It was ordered Jan 10 at 11:04AM PST, just after the online store re-opened through the developer hardware purchase program.
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post #115 of 156
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For the record, my machine was a stock 1.83GHz. It's now a stock 2.0GHz with an estimated ship date of Feb 23. It was ordered Jan 10 at 11:04AM PST, just after the online store re-opened through the developer hardware purchase program.

did you mean the 28th? i ordered mine the night before that, the same stock machine, and it says my est. shipping is the 28th
post #116 of 156
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did you mean the 28th? i ordered mine the night before that, the same stock machine, and it says my est. shipping is the 28th

No. Mine definitely says the 23rd.
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post #117 of 156
strange yours would say the 23rd...

it says est. shipping 28th on apple web page, but the email said that it would ship by the 28th, which means anytime before.

With a VP of apple saying they are starting to ship that model this week, ill think i might get it before the 28th
post #118 of 156
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Originally posted by palter
Ah, but they have updated the website and, as far as we know, there's no one left with a ship date of this week. (If you're order's been upgraded and you still have a ship date this week, please do speak up.)

I just spoke to someone at Apple and she claimed that no machines are shipping this week. Which, of course, contradicts the press release.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

For the record, my machine was a stock 1.83GHz. It's now a stock 2.0GHz with an estimated ship date of Feb 23. It was ordered Jan 10 at 11:04AM PST, just after the online store re-opened through the developer hardware purchase program.

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is here.

It should be obvious that Apple needs time to correct all of these orders, and get the machines out to the right people. I would think that a week or so for a delay wouldn't matter.
post #119 of 156
the problem is some of us are dying here with our irrational wants and desires
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the problem is some of us are dying here with our irrational wants and desires

That's the way it seems.
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