If you look at the "Mini" PC models, you will see that they cost MORE than a Mini, once you add anything other than the bare basics.
And the ones with the same form-factor as the current Mac Mini cost a lot more than it.
But, if Apple makes the machine just a little bit bigger, to accommodate a 3.5" drive, it will cost more. We will still be talking about a miniaturized machine, with all of the attendant increases in cost.
If you are going to say that the computer I suggest would actually cost more than the Mac mini, please quote my post from page 14 (the one that says "on to flogging my dead horse...") and indicate where my reasoning has gone wrong.
But, now we will also be talking about a significantly bigger power supply needed for the much hungrier 3.5" drive. This will definitely hold true if Apple has to accommodate the needs of someone stuffing that 500GB (or larger, when it comes out later this year) drive in the case.
You are right, the power supply would have to be beefier than the current Mac mini. However, brining the PSU into the computer casework would save on packaging and this extra money could be spent on an uprated PSU. Pretty much the only things that would have to change would be the output devices in the PSU. The component costs would not be much higher (a couple of dollars at the most).
Higher capacity desktop HDDs only require more power than lower capacity desktop HDDs if they have more platters. Capacity increases from improvements in data density do not add to the power requirements.
3.5" drives also put out far more heat than the 2.5" models do. 7,200 rpm drives put out even more heat, and there are a few (or there were last I looked) 10,000ATA drives that put out even more heat than that (as well as requiring even MORE power).
Will Apple need to add fans to the case as well? That makes it bigger still. What about the quietness of the machines? That has been praised all over the web. These changes will make this a pretty noisy machine, compared to what it is now, which is almost silent.
Yes, this is something that I have been thinking about. The machine would not support 10,000 rpm drives. It would probably require a fan. But, laptop HD and optical drives could be an option (no reason why they couldn't go into a bigger case), which when taken would mean the computer could ship without a fan. Now the user gets to choose between large HDDs in conjunction with more capable optical drives, and quietness of the machine, rather than Apple making the choice for them.
The packaging of the Mini might cost Apple $10. $15 at the outside. I'm not sure it even does cost that much. When you get to hundreds of thousands, packaging costs drop precipitously. That's my experience. You can look up custom packaging costs. They are out there, if you want to bother.
I can believe that. Making a computer bigger makes the volume increase faster than the surface area, and it's surface area that costs in terms of packaging. I already acknowledged that the casework would be more costly, but that other savings would significantly outweigh the costs increases.
Insofar as a mini tower goes, well, you should have read the several posts I've made about that. That was my suggestion soon after Apple came out with the first G5 towers. I presented the plans (yup, I actually drew out plans) to my friends in Apple engineering management. They thought the plans made sense, and could be produced, but that "upper" management didn't want to go in that direction. Too bad. They were really very nice. They maintained the aluminum chassis, but were smaller, and didn't have the expensive metalwork for the handles or feet. There were other major changes inside, in the electronics as well to get the price to $999.
Sounds nice. Maybe one day Steve will wake up. I suppose no-one's perfect, he's got it right nearly all the rest of the time.
1. I don't know what "quite a wealthy person" means. It's all relative. I certainly don't think of myself that way.
In this thread you state that you own 10,000 Apple shares. At the moment, they are worth $677,200. In my experience someone with that many shares in one company, probably has money invested elsewhere too. Even if you don't, it still makes you wealthy in my book, and I am sure many others'. But you are right, it's all relative.
First of all, very few people these days "need" a 500GB HD. Those who do, tend to be hobbyists.
Why this fixation on 500 GB? Like I said, the mini tops out at 120 GB and 120 GB laptop HDD is a lot more expensive than a 120 GB desktop HDD.
Look, I know plenty of people who can't afford to buy an iMac, much less a PM, with all of the attendant trimmings. I don't live in a castle all of the time, I do come out to play.
In my user group alone, we have a fair percentage of people with 6000 and 7000 series of machines running 7.5.1. I know what it means for them to consider a new machine. I know people who rely on others to give them old machines, because they can't, or won't, spend the money for one themselves. Some of these people save up for YEARS to buy a new machine. So, I either donate (depending on what it is) my older stuff to the schools, or the user group.
Believe me, I do understand.
O.K. Point well made, and point taken. I hope I did not cause offence.
But the price of $499 would still be a stripped down model, just like the PC mini versions out there are. It wouldn't be complete.
Yes, I am well aware of this. But it would be able to run OS X and iLife very well (better than current low-end iBooks).
People are complaining that they are not getting a Superdrive in that $599 model.
They are? Well, like I said, I think they are being churlish. The mini is a great deal if you happen to want exactly what it is offering.
If you look at the reviews of the iMac, for example, one of the virtues mentioned in most of these reviews is that the consumer doesn't have to think about the purchase. It's all there.
Agreed. The iMac is a brilliant machine.
Apple wants the sale to go something like this:
"What will I need other than my monitor, keyboard, mouse, and printer?"
"What if I want to connect to a wireless network?"
Just this $49 wireless router.
"Yes, but what about for the computer?"
No reason that couldn't happen with a $599 configuration of the computer I suggest.