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post #41 of 100
The iBook/Macbook will have integrated graphics. The Mac mini wasn't a fluke. PC laptops will often use IG all the way up to $1499 and beyond in some cases.
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post #42 of 100
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Originally posted by mattyj
Since when did the iBook run parallel with the mac mini?

iBook = portable iMac
MacBook Pro = portable PowerMac

Historically, it's been more like this, spec-wise:

iBook = class of its own as the weakest Mac
PowerBook = portable iMac
PowerMac = class of its own as the most powerful Mac

Apple's "pro" vs "consumer" lines have never been separated by spec, because portables have always been less powerful than desktops (excepting a brief moment back when the G3 was king). There's not enough history behind the Mini yet to say for sure "iBook = Mini", but it would make plenty of sense.
post #43 of 100
Why a 13.3-inch widescreen at the $1499 price range? Why not a 14.1-inch widescreen?
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Originally posted by mattyj
Since when did the iBook run parallel with the mac mini?

What Towel and hmurchison said. The iBook hasn't been even remotely close to the iMac's specs since the G3 era, if ever. Look at today's iMac and MacBook Pro. The MacBook Pro carries a $700-$800 premium over it's iMac equivalent. Using that same equation, a $999 iBook with the $599 Mac Mini's specs would be an absolute steal, especially considering the Mac Mini doesn't include a screen. Not that I personally feel it would be a steal, just that in comparison to Apple's other offerings it would be.

backtomac, I agree that Apple should do more to separate it's MacBook and MacBook Pro offerings, but as things stand what they're giving us for $1,999 isn't a whole lot. That's what makes this so difficult. If these iBook replacements didn't arrive until the additional 2.33Ghz Core Duo and processor price cuts show up in May, then there would be more options for Apple to use in the sub-$1,999 category. Or even better, a price-drop on the current $1,999 model to something like $1,799. As it is today, all we've got to fill a $1,000 gap is 1.5Ghz and 1.66Ghz Core Solos, a 1.67Ghz Core Duo, and a graphics card or lack-therof.

DHagan4755, because a 1" display difference doesn't seem like enough between $1,499 and $1,999.
post #45 of 100
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because a 1" display difference doesn't seem like enough between $1,499 and $1,999.

Not really. If it's got integrated graphics and a lower resolution display, that could be a selling point for the 15.4-inch MacBook Pro.
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post #46 of 100
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
Why a 13.3-inch widescreen at the $1499 price range? Why not a 14.1-inch widescreen?

I'm not hoping for a 13.3" widescreen specifically, but something wider and no less tall than the 12.1" 4x3 screen. Oh...and while I'm asking for stuff...I want no fewer horizontal pixels than I have on my TiBook (1280). Oh...and world peace too.

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post #47 of 100
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
Not really. If it's got integrated graphics and a lower resolution display, that could be a selling point for the 15.4-inch MacBook Pro.

I really hope we don't have to spend $1,999 to get an Apple notebook with a dedicated graphics card. That's pretty steep, even for Apple.
post #48 of 100
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Originally posted by Cory Bauer
I really hope we don't have to spend $1,999 to get an Apple notebook with a dedicated graphics card. That's pretty steep, even for Apple.

Yup, I agree. Let's hope for the best.

By the way, are you related to Jack Bauer?
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post #49 of 100
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Originally posted by Cory Bauer
I really hope we don't have to spend $1,999 to get an Apple notebook with a dedicated graphics card. That's pretty steep, even for Apple.

When merom comes out I think chances will be better. The MBP line can move to these chips while the iBook line can take on faster core duo chips and fold in a cheap video card. That would give good separation to consumer and pro lines yet allow Apple to offer a pretty powerful entry level laptop. Again, just my 2 cents.
post #50 of 100
after reading & posting forum after forum about the upcoming macbooks i wonder if i shouldn't just buy me an 12" ibook or a powerbook right away? since what i need is the smallest form factor that apple has.. and unless they come up with a 12.1 wxga or 13.3 wxga I have no used for any other.. the 14" is already too big for me to carry around all the time..

what do ya say?

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post #51 of 100
If the ibook/macbook/imacbook/whatever HAS to have integrated graphics I at least hope they have the 128mb version of the 950.
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post #52 of 100
A lot of you are failing to realize the historic spec/pricing layout of the PB's. Typically it was five models: low-end 12", high-end 12" which shared basically the same specs as the low-end 15" and some from the high-end 15", then the über high-end 17" which was basically the high-end 15" with the bigger display a few extra things [GPU, mainly].

It wasn't until recently that Apple has completely negated the PB line, especially the 12", and consolidate it into 3 models. Now that there are two 15" MBP models, I can see them going back to something similar like this scheme or atleast offering more BTO options on the smallest MBP [CPU upgrade].

Because of this, I'm not sure why anyone hasnt mentioned putting a 1.88 Core Duo in a 13.3 MBP as either a second, higher end model or as a BTO option.
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post #53 of 100
Why doesn't Apple offer a 1.67GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro for a lower price?

Apple is having production problems with the MacBook Pro so perhaps this will come as soon as they work out the kinks?
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post #54 of 100
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Originally posted by Cory Bauer


[ but as things stand what they're giving us for $1,999 isn't a whole lot. [/B]

I don't mean to fight you point for point, after all were on the same team, but the MBPs are competetively priced with their comparable pc products. Read link below.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02...son2/index.php
post #55 of 100
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
By the way, are you related to Jack Bauer?

Jack is my younger brother. I taught him everything he knows.

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Originally posted by Zenga
after reading & posting forum after forum about the upcoming macbooks i wonder if i shouldn't just buy me an 12" ibook or a powerbook right away?

Please don't do that unless you're content with 1024x768 and need to run PowerPC-only apps.
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Because of this, I'm not sure why anyone hasnt mentioned putting a 1.88 Core Duo in a 13.3 MBP as either a second, higher end model or as a BTO option.

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Originally posted by DHagan4755
Why doesn't Apple offer a 1.67GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro for a lower price?

Both very interesting points. In a perfect world, you could go to the online Apple Store and BTO a 13.3" with a 1.87Ghz Core Duo, or a 15.4" with a 1.67Ghz Core Duo, depending on whether you favor size or performance. I very much hope the Intel switch allows Apple to loosen up and start offering more BTO options like that. I think the current 2.16Ghz BTO option on the MacBook Pro is a good sign we may see just that.
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I don't mean to fight you point for point, after all were on the same team, but the MBPs are competetively priced with their comparable pc products. Read link below.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02...son2/index.php

That's an interesting article. I wasn't aware that the MacBook Pro's were as competitive as they are. I thought it was interesting the author didn't go as far as to point out how the Dell is 1.6 inches fat and 8 pounds heavy. That's certainly something worth considering. Doesn't Dell offer anything that isn't a battery-powered gorilla?

Still, that Inspiron/MacBook Pro comparison ties in well with the BTO options ryanh mentioned. If Apple offered more mix and matching in the BTO department instead of just picking price points and filling them with enough components to justify the cost, it would be easier for a joe shmoe like myself to comparison shop. That way, one could BTO a 15" MacBook Pro with a lesser processor, graphics card, hard drive, etc and not have to spend $1,999 just to get an Apple laptop that can do better than 1024x768. Alternatively, if someone wants a 13.3" MacBook Pro they don't need to settle for the lowliest Core Duo processor and a lesser graphics card.

Obviously they'd still have their pricepoint fillers for retail sales, which most customers would still purchase, but that doesn't mean they can't allow more BTO options at the online store. I could be totally wrong, but there shouldn't be any thermal issues with putting a 2.16Ghz Core Duo in a 13" MacBook anymore than there would be with the current 15", as they're the same thickness.

On a side note, the software included with that Inspiron is really depressing. It's painfully apparent why buying a new PC is so boring; it doesn't come with any new cool stuff you can play with. It's faster than the last one you bought, and that's all it has going for it. Hell, it's not even thinner or lighter than my girlfriend's 2001 model Inspiron.

Buying a new PC is no more exciting than buying a new router when your current one burns out.
post #56 of 100
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Originally posted by DHagan4755
Why doesn't Apple offer a 1.67GHz Core Duo MacBook Pro for a lower price?

they can't do that right now coze there are still people who ordered 1.67GHz MBP, who got upgraded to 1.8GHz MBP - who will want the 1.67GHz and the money deferential back = nightmare for Apple.
post #57 of 100
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$1,299 MacBook (plastic enclosure)
1.66Ghz Intel Core Duo
14" Widescreen display at 1280x800
512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Intel GMA950 graphics processor
Slot-load SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote

AMEN!!!! i was just in best buy yesterday.... and ive got to say that the 13.3 inch widescreen vaios are too small!!!!!!!! horizontally its as good as your girl freind but vertically? not a chance, too small!!

APPLE HAS TO GIVE US 14.1 inch widescreen ibook.........

and btw the 14.1 vaios have core duo 2.0 ghz chips for between $1299 $1499 why cant apple do that? just because apple has premo build quality is the only reason i can think of at this point.
post #58 of 100
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Originally posted by Catman4d2
APPLE HAS TO GIVE US 14.1 inch widescreen ibook.........

Both ThinkSecret and Appleinsider are claiming the next iBooks will be built around a 13.3" screen. I think the 13.3" would do them well because it makes for a more compact laptop (remember that a lot of iBooks end up in backpacks) and because they'd be creeping in on the MacBook Pro's with anything larger.

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and btw the 14.1 vaios have core duo 2.0 ghz chips for between $1299 $1499 why cant apple do that? just because apple has premo build quality is the only reason i can think of at this point.

I tried hard to find such a computer on Best Buy's website, and the closest I could come was a Centrino Duo 1.83Ghz for $1,999. While you may have seen a stripped down Pentium M 2Ghz notebook in that price range, I believe you are quite mistaken when you say they had a 2Ghz Core Duo chip in that price range. After a quick google search, I can't even find a 2Ghz Core Duo Vaio in existence (outside of BTOing one at Sony's site).
post #59 of 100
If it costs around $1299, is much faster than a G4 PowerBook and HAS AUDIO IN, I might be all over it. Is that really too much to ask?
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post #60 of 100
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Originally posted by Zenga
after reading & posting forum after forum about the upcoming macbooks i wonder if i shouldn't just buy me an 12" ibook or a powerbook right away? since what i need is the smallest form factor that apple has.. and unless they come up with a 12.1 wxga or 13.3 wxga I have no used for any other.. the 14" is already too big for me to carry around all the time..

what do ya say?


i say wait because although there may not be a period of product-availability overlap, you'll likely be able to get a 12" ibiok from the rebate store on the site or somewhere like overstock.com
post #61 of 100
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i say wait because although there may not be a period of product-availability overlap, you'll likely be able to get a 12" ibiok from the rebate store on the site or somewhere like overstock.com

dude.. that looks like a chick store
thankx anyway!
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post #62 of 100
I really liked this configuration, it was posted by Legacy at the http://www.macrumors.com/ forums.

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$999 MacBook 13.3 Solo

Intel Core Solo 1.5Ghz Processor with 2MB L2 Cache
512MB DDR2 Memory (MAX 2GB)
60GB 5400rpm Hard Drive (MAX 120GB)
Intel GMA950 Graphics Chipset wth 64MB Shared VRAM
Slot-loading Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Built-in Airport Extreme with Bluetooth 2.0
FrontRow with Apple Remote
Built-in iSight camera

$1299 MacBook 13.3 Duo

Intel Core Duo 1.66Ghz Processor with 2MB L2 Cache
512MB DDR2 Memory (MAX 2GB)
80GB 5400rpm Hard Drive (MAX 120GB)
ATI X1300 64MB Discreet Graphics Chipset (128Mb U/G option)
Slot-loading Superdrive (DVD-RW/CD-RW)
Built-in Airport Extreme with Bluetooth 2.0
FrontRow with Apple Remote
Built-in iSight camera

The only thing I think will be different is the prices, I think the lower end version will be $1099 and the higher end version will be $1399.

I really believe that the MacBooks will have dedicated graphic cards or atleast the higher end version will have one.

This is one reason why I believe the MacBook will use a dedicated graphic card.. http://www.apple.com/ibook/graphics.html

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Thats because Apple engineers equipped the new iBook G4 with a powerful, professional-level graphics processor. Using an ATI Radeon 9550 graphics processor with 32 megabytes of dedicated DDR SDRAM and AGP 4X, the iBook G4 delivers blistering 2D, 3D and multimedia graphics performance for todays most demanding games and applications.

Another reason I believe they won't use integrated graphics is because this laptop is aimed at High School/Univ. students who like playing games from time to time, so it makes sense to have a good graphic card.

Anyway these are my thoughts and if I'm wrong well I'll be the first to admit it!
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post #63 of 100
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Originally posted by Cory Bauer
Both ThinkSecret and Appleinsider are claiming the next iBooks will be built around a 13.3" screen. I think the 13.3" would do them well because it makes for a more compact laptop (remember that a lot of iBooks end up in backpacks) and because they'd be creeping in on the MacBook Pro's with anything larger.

I agree.. the 13.3" will be a great laptop for mobile users and also will give Apple the chance to enter that size market @ least until the fully turn intel and maybe bring the new 12.1" (wide). I've seen those 14.1" (wide) and they really look cool, besides they're not that big, but obviously too big for the 12" packers.. I definitely want the smallest laptop Apple can give me with the usual features that road runners need.

What I do believe is that the current 12" & 14" form factor are old news & the new wide ones are the future... I think Apple has waited too long to change to the wide side in all laptops.. All I know is that I have a 15" wide laptop @ work (not a mac ) and it's really big & heavy to move around, even with a backpack feels heavy..

It would be nice to have the smallest a 12" or 13" MacBook & connect it to a cinema display @ work...

That would be awesome..!

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post #64 of 100
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this is one reason why I believe the MacBook will use a dedicated graphic card.. http://www.apple.com/ibook/graphics.html

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Thats because Apple engineers equipped the new iBook G4 with a powerful, professional-level graphics processor. Using an ATI Radeon 9550 graphics processor with 32 megabytes of dedicated DDR SDRAM and AGP 4X, the iBook G4 delivers blistering 2D, 3D and multimedia graphics performance for todays most demanding games and applications.

I guess you never saw the old marketing for the mac mini.. On the Apple site upto a day after the Intel Mac Minis were released..

http://web.archive.org/web/200503050.../graphics.html
LOL!

Lesson 1 don't believe any Marketing - especially from the Apple/Jobs combo. the jury is still out IMHO.
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I guess you never saw the old marketing for the mac mini.. On the Apple site upto a day after the Intel Mac Minis were released..

http://web.archive.org/web/200503050.../graphics.html
LOL!

Lesson 1 don't believe any Marketing - especially from the Apple/Jobs combo. the jury is still out IMHO.

Actually I had, but I don't think you can compare the mac mini to the iBook for the reasons I stated and if you look at the same marketing campaign it barely mentions games, except at the end unlike the iBook which makes it very clear from the start that iBook is a game machine.

Plus Apple knows that games don't sell very well and if you put only intergrated graphics on all but the pro Macs, then they will sale even worse!

Power Mac = PowerBook (MacBoook Pro)
iMac = iBook (MacBook)
Mac mini = (new entry level laptop(s) with intergrated graphics?)

And for the people who say that the iMac and iBook don't compare, well neither do the pro desktop or laptop but who the heck thinks a laptop is going to do better then there desktop counterpart?
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post #66 of 100
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Originally posted by Zenga
dude.. that looks like a chick store
thankx anyway!


well i think they were selling mini's through them before.
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...Actually I had, but I don't think you can compare the mac mini to the iBook for the reasons I stated and if you look at the same marketing campaign it barely mentions games, except at the end unlike the iBook which makes it very clear from the start that iBook is a game machine.

OK I'm on board, the graphics of the iBook have always been 'set to stun!" a (Mac) gamers dream LOL!

I hope your right mate!
post #68 of 100
The iBook is not, nor ever was a gaming machine. It is a consumer notebook aimed at the education market. Apple does not make a "gaming notebook". Yes, many of the computers they sell will handle running some of the popular game titles, but they are not built specifically for this.
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Interesting "page 2" posting over at MacRumors:

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Melablog.it notices that Apple appears to be advertising under the keyword "MacBook" in Google.it's search results.

The top result returns a link to the Italy Apple Store, which is not necessarily interesting in itself, but it describes the Macbook as starting at 999.

No MacBook Pro starts that low, and the current iBook starts at 1049 in the Italy Apple Store.

(Of note, the Google ad has now been changed.)
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post #70 of 100
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Interesting "page 2" posting over at MacRumors:

Interesting, indeed...
I'm really looking forward to that machine - I actually know today that I will get one of them as soon as possible.. (provided that the price for a >12" model is <1200)
But unfortunately they forgot to mention the specs below the price...
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OK I'm on board, the graphics of the iBook have always been 'set to stun!" a (Mac) gamers dream LOL!

I hope your right mate!

I hope so too!!

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The iBook is not, nor ever was a gaming machine. It is a consumer notebook aimed at the education market. Apple does not make a "gaming notebook". Yes, many of the computers they sell will handle running some of the popular game titles, but they are not built specifically for this.

I never said it was but they do have games in mind.. read the link I posted it. And like I said lots of people in the education market love playing games, so of course having it in mind never hurts!
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I never said it was but they do have games in mind.. read the link I posted it. And like I said lots of people in the education market love playing games, so of course having it in mind never hurts! [/B][/QUOTE]

Touché, sir! Touché...
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Is it unreasonable for me to hope for audio in? It's all I want in the whole world.
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post #74 of 100
What's a predication?
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Is it unreasonable for me to hope for audio in? It's all I want in the whole world.

I would suggest looking for standard intel boards in the iBook class as that seems to be what Apple is using.

Anyway, I would expect the low end iBook to use a Integrated chipset, and the high end to use a X1300. The bottom line is that Apple hasn't really been in the situation of competing with PC companies using the same processors, so it will be hard for them to clearly draw the line between MacBook and MacBook Pro. I expect the line to be blurred with the release and cleared for a few months in september with Merom in Pros and screwed up again in January with MacBook updates.... anyway I guess we'll see if the difference will be defined with the Integrated graphics or if Apple won't lower the iBook to the Mac Mini level.

In a dream world I would hope that the new MacBooks make use of a touchscreen/convertable idea so I can play with the new Apple patented gesture user interface. That would be a good product, integrated graphics or not.
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post #76 of 100
All I know is, if the Mac mini gets audio in but the iBook doesn't, I'm going to explode a little bit.
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All I know is, if the Mac mini gets audio in but the iBook doesn't, I'm going to explode a little bit.

Your going to "explode a little bit", Seems impossible.

Looks-wise I would say it will differ from the iBook!
I don't think it will be white, but I could be wrong.
Just a hunch!
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Just my elbow will explode. No more arm bending.
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Touché, sir! Touché...

I apologize if you thought I was "Touché", because I wasn't

Anyway we are all on the same side

Only about 2 more weeks to go before the MacBook is hopefully released and I'm going to be all over it!!!!!
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I apologize if you thought I was "Touché", because I wasn't

Anyway we are all on the same side

Only about 2 more weeks to go before the MacBook is hopefully released and I'm going to be all over it!!!!!

I was not and am not offended. My reply in that post was simply a tip of my hat to you, Darth Apple, recognizing your excelent counter point.
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